looking for concealable pistol

[G5_Todd]

I currently carry a glock27 prior to that I had a glock 26 which i wish i never sold...

I really like glocks I am most comfortable with them seeing how the majority of my training has been with them...

Well I want something smaller than the glock27 and i thought i found it with the kahr pm9...

but after shooting it i was not very impressed with it...the size and weight is perfect but it didnt compare with the accuracy of the glock27 and 26.

caliber isnt really important to me....9mm 40cal or 45cal...

I thought i was going to purchase the g30 next...but my buddy told me he doesnt like it for conceal carry due to its thickness...so i was looking at the g36 or the g39 which is slightly smaller

[Plan9]

Glock 26 is friggin' TINY, bro. Do you have Hasbro hands or what?

Stick with the Glock. The Glock 36, single stack .45... is small, flat, and potent.

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If you want smaller, you could look at Taurus pistols. They've got a new line.

I don't know what TFP feelings are towards Taurus, but they're okay beaters.

[cj2112]

I'm a big guy, I carry a Glock 30. I like the gun, it serves me well, and it's nice compromise between magazine capacity (10), caliber (45 Auto), and size. It is a double stack magazine, so it is a bit thick, but it works fine for me. If I had it to do over again, I'd look very closely at the Glock 36, but with the size of my hands, and the extra 4 round magazine capacity, I'd probably choose the 30. YMMV.

[Strange Famous]

Probably the bes gun you could get of this type is an IMI SP21 Barak Pistol

Its very small, and therefore easy to conceal - but is very reliable and powerful

[Walt]

I'm a bit biased when it comes to Glock pistols (I own 4). I don't think you can go wrong with the G36. It's dummy proof, incredibly reliable and it packs a helluva punch. Realistically though, you can get away with carrying just about anything so long as you have a good IWB holster. I HIGHLY recommend FIST, Inc. I regularly use their kydex K1 holster to carry a full-sized G17 in a very anti-gun town.

Also, have you considered the Ruger LCP? It's so small and light that I sometimes forget that I'm wearing one.

[Plan9]

Originally Posted by Walt

Also, have you considered the Ruger LCP? It's so small and light that I sometimes forget that I'm wearing one.

Can't .380 just die? I want it to die. There is no good reason why 9x19 can't just take over for ultramicrocompact handguns.

And fuck Ruger autos. That junker Keltec .380 is cheaper and offers the same level of rock-throwing.

/rant

[Walt]

Eh, its a niche weapon. A buddy has a Keltec. I played with it and found that I liked the Ruger better.

I like my LCP with its ultra slim clip on IWB holster. I can throw it in the waist band of my running shorts when I head out on a slow and sweaty run (lots of feral dogs in the area).

[The_Dunedan]

The Kel Tec P3AT is -very- well made. "Junker" it a'int.

The Ruger LCP, on the other hand, will fire if dropped. They were recalled and this problem allegedly fixed, but I still only half trust them. If Ruger couldn't even steal someone else's design properly (Kel Tec is sueing their balls off for Patent Infringement as we speak)...eeh. YMMV.

[Plan9]

I've got the Keltec. It's a junker. $300 and machined like a 9th grader in shop class did it. Solid gun, just a junker.

[Walt]

Originally Posted by The_Dunedan

The Kel Tec P3AT is -very- well made. "Junker" it a'int.

The Ruger LCP, on the other hand, will fire if dropped. They were recalled and this problem allegedly fixed, but I still only half trust them.

I heard about the recall. I checked my serial number a while back and it seems that my pistol was produced after they had fixed the problem with the hammer. Your post got my underdeveloped brain boiling.....so i just went out in the front yard and repeatedly threw my cocked (and unloaded) LCP as high as I could into the air. Fuck the finish, its a working gun.

After 5 throws, the hammer is still in the cocked position. Did a couple of functions checks and everything is fine...though the pistol now needs to be cleaned.

[raptor9k]

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[Plan9]

Originally Posted by Walt

...so i just went out in the front yard and repeatedly threw my cocked (and unloaded) LCP as high as I could into the air. Fuck the finish, its a working gun.

Did you ever know that you're my hero?

[The_Dunedan]

Post-recall LCPs seem to be ok, we've sold a few. I still wouldn't trust a refurbed pre-recall gun.

As for the Kel Tec...yeah, it's rough-looking. But KT didn't mean for it to be pretty, they meant it to be inexpensive, reliable, and concealable. Bear in mind that KT isn't first-and-foremost a gun company, it's a sideline for them. They're primarily an aerospace engineering firm.

[Plan9]

Originally Posted by The_Dunedan

As for the Kel Tec...yeah, it's rough-looking. But KT didn't mean for it to be pretty, they meant it to be inexpensive, reliable, and concealable. Bear in mind that KT isn't first-and-foremost a gun company, it's a sideline for them. They're primarily an aerospace engineering firm.

Huh, interesting... I just hope the CNC tolerances and fit 'n finish of their aerospace components is better than their handguns.

[rahl]

I'm very partial to 1911's. My carry weapon is a Kimber Eclipse Pro II. It's a perfect size(4 inch) for me. Depending on the clothing I'm wearing I alternate between inside the waistband small of the back, and strong side hip. Kimber ultra series(3 inch) are also very efficient. you just can't beat a .45 in my book

[Walt]

The Keltec/LCP debate seems to be one of personal preference. For the purposes of this thread, I'm going to stick with recommending the Glock 36. It's a proven pistol, firing a proven round.

As an afterthought, the G36 fires the .45 ACP. You can ALWAYS find ball ammo in that caliber to practice with on the cheap. And there are far more options to choose from when it comes to picking out a defensive load. Not so much with the .380.

[Bear Cub]

Nothing is wrong with .380's.

Take a look at the Bersa Thunder. I love the damn thing.

[Plan9]

Originally Posted by Bear Cub

Nothing is wrong with .380's.

Take a look at the Bersa Thunder. I love the damn thing.

I thought you just used your mighty pimp hand. Guns? Weak.

Originally Posted by Walt

As an afterthought, the G36 fires the .45 ACP. You can ALWAYS find ball ammo in that caliber to practice with on the cheap. And there are far more options to choose from when it comes to picking out a defensive load. Not so much with the .380.

Sorry to derail the thread, Walter. Talk of .380s makes me all twitchy.

Please lemme know where you have that magical pot of gold full of "cheap" .45 ACP.

Its available, sure, but it isn't cheap. .380 is less expensive... if you can find it.

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So, G5Toddaroo... you should go for the G36. Get it w/ tritiums and quad rail.

[rahl]

[QUOTE=Crompsin;2687889]


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Please lemme know where you have that magical pot of gold full of "cheap" .45 ACP.

Its available, sure, but it isn't cheap.

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the cheapest I can find winchester white box ammo in .45 is around $42. So yea they aren't cheap, but the good thing about a .45 is you don't need as many shots

[Plan9]

Originally Posted by rahl

So yea they aren't cheap, but the good thing about a .45 is you don't need as many shots

Eeehhh... you do for training.

[rahl]

Originally Posted by Crompsin

Eeehhh... you do for training.

I know I was being sarcastic.

with the cost of ammo, and the shortage, and the shitty economy, my training lately has consisted of draw stroke, sight picture, and trigger pull...unloaded of course

[Walt]

Originally Posted by Crompsin

Sorry to derail the thread, Walter. Talk of .380s makes me all twitchy.

Please lemme know where you have that magical pot of gold full of "cheap" .45 ACP.

Its available, sure, but it isn't cheap. .380 is less expensive... if you can find it.

Dude, you gotta get out of NOVA. I think a 50 round box of the cheap 45 ACP is running around $15-20 at Wally World when they have it (usually every other week or so). 380 range ammo is non-existant.

Dunedan...what are you guys charging for a box of cheap 45 ACP?

G5...another reason to go with the G36 is the availability of after-market parts. A set of Novak Lo-Mount night sights, extended slide release and Ghost trigger connector will VASTLY improve the functionality of the pistol for under $250. And because its a Glock, you can almost literally drop in the parts by yourself.

[Plan9]

Yeah .380. Gangbangers in DC come to NoVA to buy ammo for their Hi-Points and Bersas.

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I'm leaving NoVA as fast as I can, really. I'm only here for family, really. Silly reason.

And I'm totally going to buy a Glock 36 tomorrow. Once I walk off this erection.

[The_Dunedan]

Dunedan...what are you guys charging for a box of cheap 45 ACP?

No such animal anymore...cheapest we've got in stock is Blazer aluminum-cased 230gr hardball at $25.00. Have got some Blazer in .380 as well (finally!).

[Bear Cub]

Originally Posted by Crompsin

I thought you just used your mighty pimp hand.

I COULD just use my pimp hand, but I like to shoot my initials into their chest afterwards.


That, and I was a competitive shooter for over a decade (mostly smallbore international style 3p). Give me an Anschutz or a Bushmaster DCM rifle, and I'll put up my bank account against anyone on this board.

[Walt]

Originally Posted by Bear Cub

That, and I was a competitive shooter for over a decade (mostly smallbore international style 3p). Give me an Anschutz or a Bushmaster DCM rifle, and I'll put up my bank account against anyone on this board.

Not interested in your bank account, but if you put up say....a case of beer....then I and atleast one other TFP regular I know might take you up on that.

[Bear Cub]

10-4. Iron sights, and no bitching when I pull out my Sauer suit and Eley EPS. Time to fall back into my Olympic Training Center and Camp Perry glory days!

[The_Dunedan]

Walt; Why do I get the feeling we're thinking about the same beanpole?

[G5_Todd]

thanks for all the replies and the lil debates...i am leaning toward the g36.

when i sold my g26 i forgot that if i wanted to carry a gun outta state it needed to be privately owned, i dont own my g27 so im really not suppose to take it outta the state.

so i currently dont personally own a pistol. when i sold my g26 i intended on buying a light and small revolver to carry as a backup/off duty...but i just like the accuracy of the glock.

even though i fully realize a backup/off duty would most likely be used at a short range (point and shoot) but with the g27 i can hit a bowling pin at 50 yards in 1-3 shots every time.

[rahl]

Originally Posted by Bear Cub

I COULD just use my pimp hand, but I like to shoot my initials into their chest afterwards.


That, and I was a competitive shooter for over a decade (mostly smallbore international style 3p). Give me an Anschutz or a Bushmaster DCM rifle, and I'll put up my bank account against anyone on this board.

Easy there killer

[telekinetic]

I love my KelTec PF9...fit in the hand a lot nicer than the P11, the capacity loss doesn't particularly bother me, and I test enough of my defense ammo that the P11's multistrike 'feature' is a nonissue.

[Strange Famous]

The Glock really isnt a premium quality metal.

Look at the size of this shooter... perfect for concealment!

This bad boy comes in 9mm, .40 and .45 size for different bullets, and can hold 10 bullets (or 15 in 9mm size)

[Walt]

Originally Posted by The_Dunedan

Walt; Why do I get the feeling we're thinking about the same beanpole?

Ha. He's pretty handy with a rifle. Im sure he would be game. And it would give me an opportunity to put him in his place - he's due.

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Originally Posted by Strange Famous

The Glock really isnt a premium quality metal.

How do you define "premium quality metal"? The Glock is a working pistol, it ain't paid to sit around and look pretty. By that I mean you can throw it in mud, submerge it in water, even bury it in sand and it will still shoot. I know because I've done it with mine to see if all of the hype was legit.

On a whim, I once ran about 2,000 rounds of cheap, ball ammo through a G17 without cleaning it. I put the pistol away dirty for about a week, then went back out and ran another 2,000 rounds of ammo through it. I wanted to see how gunked up the pistol had to be before it would malfunction. I ran out of ammo before I found out.

[raptor9k]

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[The_Dunedan]

The Glock really isnt a premium quality metal.

Which explains why it's carried by the IDF...you know, Israeli Defense Force?!

How do you define "premium quality metal"?

Made by Jews/Israelis. No other qualifications needed in SF's world, despite the fact that the IDF avoids IMI products like Pork and carries Glock sidearms.

What's with the IMI hardon?

See above. According to SF, Israelis make the best guns. He can offer no proofs or reasons for this, except for the fact that both he and they are nominally Jewish. However, this is enough for him to run down literally every other manufacturer in the world as inferior to IMI, despite the fact that he knows nothing about firearms, or their usages, or the calibers they chamber, or the effectiveness of such. This is the individual who once posited that a 5.56mm Galil would be ideal for bear hunting (unfortunately, the Tavor is not his first such silliness) and that a .50AE Desert Eagle would be the ultimate self-defense handgun because "it can shoot straight through walls!" ....while at the same time insisting that "All peacable people worldwide must be disarmed for the common good."

[skinnymofo]

i carry the controversial FN five seven when i feel like it. Its a little bulky but loaded it weighs about as much as my old nextel brick phone. which makes it to me, pretty much unoticeable.
However i will be switching to my xdm 9 soon as Kramer sends me my damn holster i ordered 2 months ago. (Talk about frustrating, especially living only 30 min away from them :/ )

[Strange Famous]

I believe the IDF use the Jericho 941?

I'm not saying that there is anything wrong with a cheap Austrian gun like a Glock, but if someone wants the best quality they should really look at IMI weapons.

The Uzi is universally acknowledged as the best gun in its class, as is the Desert E... most people who know guns will tell you that IMI is the best manufacturer out there.

Originally Posted by The_Dunedan

Which explains why it's carried by the IDF...you know, Israeli Defense Force?!



Made by Jews/Israelis. No other qualifications needed in SF's world, despite the fact that the IDF avoids IMI products like Pork and carries Glock sidearms.



See above. According to SF, Israelis make the best guns. He can offer no proofs or reasons for this, except for the fact that both he and they are nominally Jewish. However, this is enough for him to run down literally every other manufacturer in the world as inferior to IMI, despite the fact that he knows nothing about firearms, or their usages, or the calibers they chamber, or the effectiveness of such. This is the individual who once posited that a 5.56mm Galil would be ideal for bear hunting (unfortunately, the Tavor is not his first such silliness) and that a .50AE Desert Eagle would be the ultimate self-defense handgun because "it can shoot straight through walls!" ....while at the same time insisting that "All peacable people worldwide must be disarmed for the common good."

[Walt]

Originally Posted by Strange Famous

I believe the IDF use the Jericho 941?

I'm not saying that there is anything wrong with a cheap Austrian gun like a Glock, but if someone wants the best quality they should really look at IMI weapons.

The Uzi is universally acknowledged as the best gun in its class, as is the Desert E... most people who know guns will tell you that IMI is the best manufacturer out there.

Dude, either you get your information from playing "Call of Duty 4" or you're just trolling. Most people who know guns will tell you:

1) There's nothing cheap about Glocks but their price. The only difference between them and a $4,000 custom STI 1911 is the shooter.

2) The Uzi was universally acknowledged as the best gun in its class....in the 1960's.

3) The Desert Eagle is a nice conversation piece (as in "sorry about your dick, bro")but there is a reason that NOBODY who carries a gun for a living will even consider using one.

[telekinetic]

Hey, the Desert Eagle has a very practical use: letting internet forums everywhere filter out the fanboys and posers from those with actual firearms knowledge.

[Plan9]

I think the Intratec DC-9 is a good concealed carry piece.

50 round mag of ball ammo. Shoestring sling. Good to go.