Forum for pets - Tilted Forum Project Discussion Community

LalaLyn · 07-23-2006, 01:30 AM

I was wondering if we can start a forum here on TFP for pet questions. I know I have a lot of concerns and questions about my pets.

amonkie · 07-23-2006, 06:46 AM

This suggestion has been raised in the past. At this point, there is not enough traffic regarding pet questions that is overflowing any other forum.

For now, use General Discussion, or Tilted Living, depending on what type of questions you have.

thingstodo · 07-24-2006, 03:29 PM

I would also like to see something on pets. I suspect people don't see it as something for Living and general discussion is so, well...general. Perhaps if there was a section more people would participate. I know pet ownership is a very big thing! I'm actually surprised that no one has mentioned this before - and maybe they have!

amonkie · 07-24-2006, 03:57 PM

There have been threads in the past regarding specific issues of pet care, picking a suitable breed, vet issues, etc. In TFP land, there needs to be a need ( meaning threads are being created and discussions happening to the point where it overflows a given forum) before the staff will feel that the creation is justified.

If you have a question about your pets - get it out there. Generate the traffic and interest.

thingstodo · 07-28-2006, 12:11 PM

It' kind of difficult to overflow a thread when there are threads in at least nine different areas (I did a search). You'd have to stumble across a thread if you happened to be in the right forum. I don't know - it just seems like it would be a good thing to do and then can it if it doesn't pan out. But I guess I'm unaware of the trouble it takes to open a new forum.

amonkie · 07-28-2006, 07:25 PM

Or... you can do a search to see if a thread already exists that answers the question you have ...

cj2112 · 07-30-2006, 09:06 AM

The staff has discussed it, and decided that there just isn't enough conversation going about pets to warrant a new forum for it. Is it really that difficult to understand?

spectre · 07-30-2006, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by level five

boy, you guys just don't want to add a pets forum, huh? i'm sure you know best. pet lovers - a shunned part of society!

I like the idea of a pets board, but I know there's no where near enough posts to support it. It's like the Regional boards, we had those because everyone said they wanted them, and all but one would go months without any posts. We need to see that there will be a demand for it, not just people saying there is.

Elphaba · 07-30-2006, 03:11 PM

Ok, boys and girls. We've been told what we need to do, so let's do it. My pets are an important part of my life, so I think Tilted Living is the place to be. "General" might get more traffic, making it the better forum.

Mods and Pet People: Any preferences?

amonkie · 07-30-2006, 06:45 PM

Think of it this way : If it has to do with your pet and your life - Ie do you have time to take care of a pet, pet and neighbor issues, living with pets and family members who have allergies, etc - Living would probably be the best place.

For things directly relating to the animals themselves - appropriate breed choices, food, grooming/care, etc, General would be more appropriate.

Elphaba is right - you will generate more traffic in General. If you are trying to see a buildup of interest, in Tilted Living the threads may not get buried under new ones as quickly.

I personally would put the thread where it most relates, and go from there.

Redlemon · 07-31-2006, 03:51 AM

I personally have no interest in a Pets forum. However, I don't think that there were that many Parenting threads before there was a Parenting forum, were there?

Lady Sage · 08-02-2006, 01:54 AM

I think a pets forum is a fabulous idea! As for where to put it.... I dunno.

*Nikki* · 08-02-2006, 06:33 PM

I have always been on board for a pet forum, and maybe having one WOULD generate more threads on the topic.

maleficent · 08-03-2006, 03:19 AM

I'm not opposed to the idea of a pet forum... and maybe if we build it the threads will come... but currently most of the pet related topics seem to be in photography... would this forum turn into "look at what my cat did today" type of posts? I've honesltly not seen more than 1/2 dozen actual pet related questions... are people holding on to questions in the hopes of a forum being built?

Elphaba · 08-04-2006, 03:20 PM

I have a few questions that I intend to post in General, but payroll and month-end obligations have me wasting fewer hours here than I usually spend.

"Interests" is the obvious choice, if enough topics are generated to allow "Pets" it's own forum. "See my pet" would make a logical move to that location, imo. Most of the interest topics have little activity, but some are ripping every day (computers, music, motors).

Why am I thinking of Debby at this moment? (Inside joke to Mal)

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Originally Posted by *Nikki*

I have always been on board for a pet forum, and maybe having one WOULD generate more threads on the topic.

I like the way you think.

Elphaba · 08-08-2006, 03:33 PM

I've done my part with the only legitimate questions I have. So Lalalyn, thingstodo, and level five, do your part if you really want a pet forum.

(Yes, fish are pets. Think "Wanda")

Elphaba · 08-12-2006, 01:34 PM

Level five, we've been given an opportunity to see if enough interest is there to add a pet forum.

It seems to me that you are the one resisting. Your choice, I guess.

ShaniFaye · 08-12-2006, 01:54 PM

I'd much rather have a pet forum than have to sit and figure out where to put something now, that might be the one thing keeping people from posting pet stuff. Im of the opinion that have a pet forum (I mean hell to some of us our pets ARE our children, and we have a parenting forum) that it would get pretty well used. I'd also like to remind people that the search DOES NOT work as well as it used to, I've tried I dont know how many times to look for something I KNOW was there and cant bring it up in a search no matter how many ways I do it.

I'd be interested in understanding the resistance too

Elphaba · 08-12-2006, 05:51 PM

I fully agree with you Ms. Shani. And yet, we have been offered one option to win agreement among the mods that a pet forum is worthwhile. Eh...I'm just trying to meet the challenge and see what comes of it. Nikki is the only one of the mods that thinks a Pet forum would in itself attract enough posters to sustain it.

This isn't my playground, so I took the challenge offered and I honestly don't care if there is a pet forum or not. I have never posted pet related stuff before now, but you can't escape my new pet posts at this moment.

Shani, like you, my pets are my children and if there is a forum for that, great. If not, oh well. I'm just suggesting that working within the challenge and posting pet stuff, may have better results than challenging the resistance to a pet forum. I haven't been a forum member long enough to know that there was ever successful or unsuccessful pet forum.

The search problem has been acknowledged by Cyn. I doubt we can find our own name currently.

Post some pet stuff, Ms. Shani. Who knows, you may be the necessary post that wins the day.

Brewmaniac · 08-13-2006, 06:22 AM

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Originally Posted by ShaniFaye

I'd also like to remind people that the search DOES NOT work as well as it used to, I've tried I dont know how many times to look for something I KNOW was there and cant bring it up in a search no matter how many ways I do it.
too

This driving me nuts especially in humor, I see jokes posted over & over or I read one I know I've seen here, I'll search 5 different ways, nothing or won't find anything until 3 or 4 tries. Sorry for the threadjack! Back to topic.

Pets, yes, why not give all forums quality post counts, if they get so many quality posts they stay, if not out they go! This way new ones can be talked about and if enough interest try them out!

shakran · 08-13-2006, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by level five

this reminds me of our political system...the people speak but those that run things do what they feel is best. what would it hurt to create a forum?

Because if you create a forum for every little interest that users think they want, you end up with 300 forums, each with only one or two threads. It's a great way to kill off a board.

Pets are part of life. They're also a general topic. So you have two forums right there you can post your pet questions in. General and Living.

I'll flip the question around on you. Why so much resistance to posting pet topics in the general/living forums? When you get right down to it, what real difference does it make HOW the TFP categorizes something? It'll still show up in new posts when you write something about pets, even if you write it in the Motors forum. People will see it, and will probably reply.

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Originally Posted by ShaniFaye

I'd much rather have a pet forum than have to sit and figure out where to put something now

It's quite easy really. If there isn't a specific forum dedicated to your topic, stick it in General.

thingstodo · 08-13-2006, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by shakran

Because if you create a forum for every little interest that users think they want, you end up with 300 forums, each with only one or two threads. It's a great way to kill off a board.

Pets are part of life. They're also a general topic. So you have two forums right there you can post your pet questions in. General and Living.

I'll flip the question around on you. Why so much resistance to posting pet topics in the general/living forums? When you get right down to it, what real difference does it make HOW the TFP categorizes something? It'll still show up in new posts when you write something about pets, even if you write it in the Motors forum. People will see it, and will probably reply.

It's quite easy really. If there isn't a specific forum dedicated to your topic, stick it in General.

I'm sure there would be tons of forums if every little interest was catered to. I can't disagree with you on that!

I just think that pets are a much bigger part of life than you guys give them credit for. They are a major part of peoples lives, especially those that don't have kids or that have grown kids.

Have you tried other forums that went bust? Have you tried forums that worked, and worked better than you expected?

Just help us understand the why - you know, the big picture.
Guess I just don't understand the criteria used to designate a forum.

shakran · 08-13-2006, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by thingstodo

I just think that pets are a much bigger part of life than you guys give them credit for. They are a major part of peoples lives, especially those that don't have kids or that have grown kids.

But apparently they're not enough of a major part of TFPers' lives because there just aren't that many posts out there regarding pets.

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Have you tried other forums that went bust? Have you tried forums that worked, and worked better than you expected?

I know TFP tried regional forums before, as has already been mentioned in this thread. I remember that users begged for them, swore up and down they'd be immensely popular, and then when the admins finally made them, every forum except one region was a ghost town.

I haven't tried any on here because I'm not a mod/admin (yes I know it can be tough to tell who is since the redesign. Hint Hint admins

) but when I ran my own forum many years ago I learned the important lesson that you should not throw up a forum just because a user asks for it.

Here's the scenario. You start with a general forum. Users want a car forum so you put that up. All car posts (say, 2 a day) that were in general now go in the car board. Same with pets, music, coin collecting, marching band discussion. . .whatever.

Pretty soon you wind up with a bunch of special interest forums that only have 2 posts per day MAX in them, AND you've siphoned a bunch of posts off the general forum so there's only a few per day there too.

Now a new user signs up. He looks over the board, sees that activity on the various forums is extremely light, and goes off looking for a board that appears to be more populated, never to be seen in these parts again.

On my old board we only made a new forum if there were enough posts on that topic in the general discussion forum. The topic basically had to be taking over the general forum, and then we'd make a home for it to keep
general free for other topics.

I found it to be a pretty good rule of thumb and from what I can tell that's what the admins here are doing as well.

thingstodo · 08-14-2006, 03:20 AM

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Originally Posted by shakran

But apparently they're not enough of a major part of TFPers' lives because there just aren't that many posts out there regarding pets.

I know TFP tried regional forums before, as has already been mentioned in this thread. I remember that users begged for them, swore up and down they'd be immensely popular, and then when the admins finally made them, every forum except one region was a ghost town.

I haven't tried any on here because I'm not a mod/admin (yes I know it can be tough to tell who is since the redesign. Hint Hint admins

) but when I ran my own forum many years ago I learned the important lesson that you should not throw up a forum just because a user asks for it.

Here's the scenario. You start with a general forum. Users want a car forum so you put that up. All car posts (say, 2 a day) that were in general now go in the car board. Same with pets, music, coin collecting, marching band discussion. . .whatever.

Pretty soon you wind up with a bunch of special interest forums that only have 2 posts per day MAX in them, AND you've siphoned a bunch of posts off the general forum so there's only a few per day there too.

Now a new user signs up. He looks over the board, sees that activity on the various forums is extremely light, and goes off looking for a board that appears to be more populated, never to be seen in these parts again.

On my old board we only made a new forum if there were enough posts on that topic in the general discussion forum. The topic basically had to be taking over the general forum, and then we'd make a home for it to keep
general free for other topics.

I found it to be a pretty good rule of thumb and from what I can tell that's what the admins here are doing as well.

I'm still looking for objective criteria. What does taking over general actually look like? I mean, if one subject took it over, what would be left for general when a new forum was created? And no one has answered the question posed of why not try and see what happenes. If regional forums were created and one stuck, that's one forum that was worth it.

Sound like you're defending the idssue and unwilling to look at possibilities because of some other experience. Things change.

If you built it, they might come. And if they don't, hit delete!

Grancey · 08-14-2006, 02:08 PM

Tilted pets is one idea. But other suggestions are Tilted Animal Lovers or Tilted Animal Kingdom. That would include posts about pets, animal stories and sightings, shark attacks, alligator attacks, and the damn bird that pecked a hole in my window.

level five · 08-14-2006, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Grancey

Tilted pets is one idea. But another suggestion is Tilted Animal Lovers. That would include posts about pets, animal stories and sightings, shark attacks, alligator attacks, and the damn bird that pecked a hole in my window.

now that is one cool idea. it would certainly appeal to the pet people and also provide some other neat stuff to share. very creative thinking there!

analog · 08-15-2006, 10:24 AM

This has come up before in the past, as has been mentioned, and each time it has we say the same thing, "show us". We have yet to see anywhere near the kind of discussion traffic to substantiate such a forum.

It's not like creating the forum is the problem. The issue is that things like that depend on a balance. If we create that forum, the lack of traffic causes the following things to happen: someone makes a thread, and then they'll complain that their forum gets no traffic. Then people will make pet threads in General Discussion or Living because they know that to put it in "Tilted Pets" pretty much signs its death warrent.

I'm not at all opposed to the idea, as an idea, but there isn't the "need" created for it. Like I said- every time this comes up, once or so a year, people insist it'd be a bustling forum, but we've never seen any indication of that with the low number of such threads in general discussion and Living.

So I'll just repeat what I and the other mods have said every time this has come up, and that's "show us."

Oh- and going to the General Discussion board and starting several pet threads all at once doesn't make it seem like a need is there. We're not short-sighted; we consider the frequency of such threads over time, not just whenever the issue flares up.

- analog.

ShaniFaye · 08-15-2006, 10:45 AM

obvioulsy I have mis interpreted your directions and misunderstood what "show us" means

I'm not a mind reader....I honestly tried to do what I THOUGHT we were told to do.

next time maybe some more specific guidelines on how to go about generating interest would be a good thing so I dont piss any mods off

sapiens · 08-15-2006, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by ShaniFaye

ok NOW Im frustrated beyond belief (keep that in mind when reading the following)

I friggin give up

nobody is on the same page here...

whats the secret forumla to the "right" way to start threads to generate interest...please enlighten me...because I thought "show us" meant START THREADS

threads which I might add have been active since they were started

I don't think that there is any reason to give up. If I'm interpreting Analog's post correctly, the recent flurry of pet-related posts are good threads, but do not yet indicate the need for an entire forum devoted to pets. I think that "show us" does mean start threads, but existing and new threads need to continue for longer than a couple of weeks to justify starting a new forum.

That said, I have enjoyed the pet threads posted lately.

Bill O'Rights · 08-15-2006, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by ShaniFaye

...threads which I might add have been active since they were started

I've noticed.
They're also quality posts in those threads...I've noticed.

The question, that I think that Analog has, is not so much "Is there interest?" Obviously there is. I think his concern is whether or not such a board can long be maintained, without falling into the realm of uselessness.

We are looking into it. Have a little patience...please?

thingstodo · 08-16-2006, 04:10 AM

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Originally Posted by ShaniFaye

obvioulsy I have mis interpreted your directions and misunderstood what "show us" means

I'm not a mind reader....I honestly tried to do what I THOUGHT we were told to do.

next time maybe some more specific guidelines on how to go about generating interest would be a good thing so I dont piss any mods off

I hear you, sister!! It seems like whatever happens will happen and the line in the sand is quite flexible.

analog · 08-16-2006, 10:53 AM

user "level five" has been banned because he was a second account of another member already existing on this site- in fact, posting alongside in this very thread.

I'd take my time to tell you who that is, since he was an asshole while hiding behind what he thought was his anonymity, but i've got other things to do.

- analog.

sapiens · 08-16-2006, 11:04 AM

It was Bill O'Rights wasn't it? I knew it!!! This pet forum idea is serious business. :P

Sorry.... I couldn't help myself. I appreciate you dealing with the crap so we don't have to.

analog · 08-16-2006, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by ShaniFaye

...so I dont piss any mods off

I don't think you've pissed anyone off- though I can't speak for everyone, there doesn't seem to be any animosity on anyone's part.

For what it's worth, and I mean this to everyone, the members are the only ones getting all fired up and upset over this. We (mods) have only been encouraging you (like Nikki) or telling you we simply don't see the interest in it, in the way of tangible threads (not just people asking for it). I don't think that any of us have said simply, "no," we're just saying there really isn't the "need" for it, and by "need" we mean existing threads to demonstrate the traffic to substantiate it. That's all. We're not yelling or upset at anyone...

...though to be honest, we're just as human as everyone else in this thread, and there comes a time when our intentions and statements are misinterpreted and blown out of proportions to the point that you all start putting "words in our mouths". You tell us in less than pleasant tones that we don't care or aren't listening when we do care, very much, about all of your opinions and you are being heard. Any normal person can only take so much of being told they don't care and are ignoring you when that's not the case, before their answers start seeming a little terse.

The mod staff doesn't just talk in this thread, either- we chat together and start threads of our own in the mod area so that we can all discuss it together. These are big decisions, however, and can't be made in the time span of a day. It may take several for adequate discussion to take place before we can really make a decision. The TFP has been around for many years- taking a week to make a big decision isn't that much time, really.

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obvioulsy I have mis interpreted your directions and misunderstood what "show us" means

I'm not a mind reader....I honestly tried to do what I THOUGHT we were told to do.

next time maybe some more specific guidelines on how to go about generating interest would be a good thing

Well, by "show us", I was still speaking in the same context as the rest of the general message I was getting across- there aren't, in general, the threads to substantiate such a forum. That means starting a few yourself doesn't really make a difference- I can start a dozen threads right now on ANY topic, but that doens't mean it needs a forum.

I'm sorry if the directions weren't clear enough- I just meant we need to see it in action. We need to see new threads on a fairly regular basis, the threads need to have a decent enough amount of traffic, and then that tells us that people really do want this, and it's not just the very vocal desire of a half dozen people (and I say that because, despite all the traffic this thread is getting, it's only 5 members who vote yes. One member posted to say they see no need for it, and one posted to say it might be nice for a tilted animals, so it's 6 if you count that person. Everyone else posting have been mods.)

So really, we've only got 6 members who even posted to say they wanted this thing. While not everyone on the board may know about this thread, 6 people is not exactly a decree from the masses. I'm just pointing out the reality of that.

We'll try to have a decision for you soon, though understand that if a new forum is created, it will be probationary- meaning that if it stays dead for long enough, we'll be pulling it (don't ask how long "long enough" is, that would be impossible to answer). A dead forum does no one any good.

So in the mean time, keep up the good work and try to get those less-vocal-animal-lovers to participate in threads so we know people really need this.

- analog.

Grancey · 08-16-2006, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by analog

So really, we've only got 6 members who even posted to say they wanted this thing. While not everyone on the board may know about this thread, 6 people is not exactly a decree from the masses. I'm just pointing out the reality of that.

I think it would be interesting to start a poll to gauge the interest of members in a forum of this type. Discussion would not be necessary in this case, just a simple yes or no. Would those trying to make a decision about an animal forum think this would be helpful? or just a bother?

analog · 08-17-2006, 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Grancey

I think it would be interesting to start a poll to gauge the interest of members in a forum of this type. Discussion would not be necessary in this case, just a simple yes or no. Would those trying to make a decision about an animal forum think this would be helpful? or just a bother?

It wouldn't be a bother, but it wouldn't really help, either.

I think most people would put a "yes" on such a vote, but the lack of actual threads tells us that while it's a popular question to answer "yes" to, it's not popular enough to get actual traffic. I mean, I would vote "yes" that it sounds like a fine idea, but I can tell you I'd rarely (if ever) post in it. I don't know of any mod who's actually opposed to the idea- we're concerned about the lack of tangible interest (threads) and a dead forum causes nothing but problems.

There's still dialog happening, though, so I don't want anyone getting upset or thinking anything is final just yet.

MexicanOnABike · 08-17-2006, 08:41 AM

well i was just enjoying reading this page but if you really need to know if we want this or not then YES! forums for pets is a great idea but i would probably name it "tilted Animals" since that includes everything animal related just like someone mentionned before. this way, it would get a bit more traffic.

the thing is i know almost everyone has or had a pet or likes to read about pets somehow. since i had my cats, i've been looking for a good place to look for info on all types of subjects and even if the general discussion forum is getting a lot of traffic, i'd rather see my thread where it belongs.

Oh and i know it will be a good thing to have since my "declawing cats" thread is the only thread that i started that reached 2pages long. and i've been here since early 2003.

*Nikki* · 08-17-2006, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by analog

I mean, I would vote "yes" that it sounds like a fine idea, but I can tell you I'd rarely (if ever) post in it. I don't know of any mod who's actually opposed to the idea- we're concerned about the lack of tangible interest (threads) and a dead forum causes nothing but problems.

Somehow I doubt that. You have indeed posted in a lot of animal related threads I have been in and have had quite a lot to say on most all subjects in general.

I see nothing wrong with a poll if someone wants to start one!

Brewmaniac · 08-20-2006, 03:00 AM

-analog, thanks for responding to all the questions!
I have posted this in other threads but know one has addressed this?
Why not give all forums quality post counts, if they get so many quality posts they stay, if not out they go! This way new ones can be talked about and if there's enough interest try them out!
___________

Lady Sage · 09-03-2006, 12:48 PM

Just my humble opinion... There is a forum for Tilted Events. It only has 10 threads... I am willing to say that a pet forum would generate at least that many in a week if not a day.

Thats all I have to say about that.

07-23-2006, 01:30 AM	#1 (permalink)
LalaLyn Upright	Forum for pets I was wondering if we can start a forum here on TFP for pet questions. I know I have a lot of concerns and questions about my pets.

07-23-2006, 06:46 AM	#2 (permalink)
amonkie Drifting Administrator Location: Windy City	This suggestion has been raised in the past. At this point, there is not enough traffic regarding pet questions that is overflowing any other forum. For now, use General Discussion, or Tilted Living, depending on what type of questions you have. __________________ Calling from deep in the heart, from where the eyes can't see and the ears can't hear, from where the mountain trails end and only love can go... ~~~ Three Rivers Hare Krishna

07-24-2006, 03:29 PM	#3 (permalink)
thingstodo A Storm Is Coming Location: The Great White North	I would also like to see something on pets. I suspect people don't see it as something for Living and general discussion is so, well...general. Perhaps if there was a section more people would participate. I know pet ownership is a very big thing! I'm actually surprised that no one has mentioned this before - and maybe they have! __________________ If you're wringing your hands you can't roll up your shirt sleeves. Stangers have the best candy.

07-24-2006, 03:57 PM	#4 (permalink)
amonkie Drifting Administrator Location: Windy City	There have been threads in the past regarding specific issues of pet care, picking a suitable breed, vet issues, etc. In TFP land, there needs to be a need ( meaning threads are being created and discussions happening to the point where it overflows a given forum) before the staff will feel that the creation is justified. If you have a question about your pets - get it out there. Generate the traffic and interest. __________________ Calling from deep in the heart, from where the eyes can't see and the ears can't hear, from where the mountain trails end and only love can go... ~~~ Three Rivers Hare Krishna

07-28-2006, 12:11 PM	#5 (permalink)
thingstodo A Storm Is Coming Location: The Great White North	It' kind of difficult to overflow a thread when there are threads in at least nine different areas (I did a search). You'd have to stumble across a thread if you happened to be in the right forum. I don't know - it just seems like it would be a good thing to do and then can it if it doesn't pan out. But I guess I'm unaware of the trouble it takes to open a new forum. __________________ If you're wringing your hands you can't roll up your shirt sleeves. Stangers have the best candy.

07-28-2006, 07:25 PM	#6 (permalink)
amonkie Drifting Administrator Location: Windy City	Or... you can do a search to see if a thread already exists that answers the question you have ... __________________ Calling from deep in the heart, from where the eyes can't see and the ears can't hear, from where the mountain trails end and only love can go... ~~~ Three Rivers Hare Krishna

07-30-2006, 09:06 AM	#7 (permalink)
cj2112 Unbelievable Location: Grants Pass OR	The staff has discussed it, and decided that there just isn't enough conversation going about pets to warrant a new forum for it. Is it really that difficult to understand?

07-30-2006, 03:11 PM	#9 (permalink)
Elphaba Deja Moo Location: Olympic Peninsula, WA	Ok, boys and girls. We've been told what we need to do, so let's do it. My pets are an important part of my life, so I think Tilted Living is the place to be. "General" might get more traffic, making it the better forum. Mods and Pet People: Any preferences?

07-30-2006, 06:45 PM	#10 (permalink)
amonkie Drifting Administrator Location: Windy City	Think of it this way : If it has to do with your pet and your life - Ie do you have time to take care of a pet, pet and neighbor issues, living with pets and family members who have allergies, etc - Living would probably be the best place. For things directly relating to the animals themselves - appropriate breed choices, food, grooming/care, etc, General would be more appropriate. Elphaba is right - you will generate more traffic in General. If you are trying to see a buildup of interest, in Tilted Living the threads may not get buried under new ones as quickly. I personally would put the thread where it most relates, and go from there. __________________ Calling from deep in the heart, from where the eyes can't see and the ears can't hear, from where the mountain trails end and only love can go... ~~~ Three Rivers Hare Krishna

07-31-2006, 03:51 AM	#11 (permalink)
Redlemon Devoted Donor Location: New England	I personally have no interest in a Pets forum. However, I don't think that there were that many Parenting threads before there was a Parenting forum, were there? __________________ I can't read your signature. Sorry.

08-02-2006, 01:54 AM	#12 (permalink)
Lady Sage Mistress of Mayhem Location: Canton, Ohio	I think a pets forum is a fabulous idea! As for where to put it.... I dunno.

08-02-2006, 06:33 PM	#13 (permalink)
Nikki ~~~~~~~ Location: Charleston, SC	I have always been on board for a pet forum, and maybe having one WOULD generate more threads on the topic.

08-03-2006, 03:19 AM	#14 (permalink)
maleficent Junkie Moderator Emeritus Location: Chicago	I'm not opposed to the idea of a pet forum... and maybe if we build it the threads will come... but currently most of the pet related topics seem to be in photography... would this forum turn into "look at what my cat did today" type of posts? I've honesltly not seen more than 1/2 dozen actual pet related questions... are people holding on to questions in the hopes of a forum being built? __________________ Free your heart from hatred. Free your mind from worries. Live simply. Give more. Expect less.

08-08-2006, 03:33 PM	#16 (permalink)
Elphaba Deja Moo Location: Olympic Peninsula, WA	I've done my part with the only legitimate questions I have. So Lalalyn, thingstodo, and level five, do your part if you really want a pet forum. (Yes, fish are pets. Think "Wanda")

08-12-2006, 01:34 PM	#17 (permalink)
Elphaba Deja Moo Location: Olympic Peninsula, WA	Level five, we've been given an opportunity to see if enough interest is there to add a pet forum. It seems to me that you are the one resisting. Your choice, I guess.

08-12-2006, 01:54 PM	#18 (permalink)
ShaniFaye Submit to me, you know you want to Location: Lilburn, Ga	I'd much rather have a pet forum than have to sit and figure out where to put something now, that might be the one thing keeping people from posting pet stuff. Im of the opinion that have a pet forum (I mean hell to some of us our pets ARE our children, and we have a parenting forum) that it would get pretty well used. I'd also like to remind people that the search DOES NOT work as well as it used to, I've tried I dont know how many times to look for something I KNOW was there and cant bring it up in a search no matter how many ways I do it. I'd be interested in understanding the resistance too __________________ *I want the diabetic plan that comes with rollover carbs. I dont like the unused one expiring at midnite!!*

08-12-2006, 05:51 PM	#19 (permalink)
Elphaba Deja Moo Location: Olympic Peninsula, WA	I fully agree with you Ms. Shani. And yet, we have been offered one option to win agreement among the mods that a pet forum is worthwhile. Eh...I'm just trying to meet the challenge and see what comes of it. Nikki is the only one of the mods that thinks a Pet forum would in itself attract enough posters to sustain it. This isn't my playground, so I took the challenge offered and I honestly don't care if there is a pet forum or not. I have never posted pet related stuff before now, but you can't escape my new pet posts at this moment. Shani, like you, my pets are my children and if there is a forum for that, great. If not, oh well. I'm just suggesting that working within the challenge and posting pet stuff, may have better results than challenging the resistance to a pet forum. I haven't been a forum member long enough to know that there was ever successful or unsuccessful pet forum. The search problem has been acknowledged by Cyn. I doubt we can find our own name currently. Post some pet stuff, Ms. Shani. Who knows, you may be the necessary post that wins the day.

08-14-2006, 02:08 PM	#25 (permalink)
Grancey Life's short, gotta hurry... Location: land of pit vipers	Tilted pets is one idea. But other suggestions are Tilted Animal Lovers or Tilted Animal Kingdom. That would include posts about pets, animal stories and sightings, shark attacks, alligator attacks, and the damn bird that pecked a hole in my window. __________________ Quiet, mild-mannered souls might just turn out to be roaring lions of two-fisted cool. Last edited by Grancey; 08-15-2006 at 12:44 PM..

08-15-2006, 10:24 AM	#27 (permalink)
analog Banned	This has come up before in the past, as has been mentioned, and each time it has we say the same thing, "show us". We have yet to see anywhere near the kind of discussion traffic to substantiate such a forum. It's not like creating the forum is the problem. The issue is that things like that depend on a balance. If we create that forum, the lack of traffic causes the following things to happen: someone makes a thread, and then they'll complain that their forum gets no traffic. Then people will make pet threads in General Discussion or Living because they know that to put it in "Tilted Pets" pretty much signs its death warrent. I'm not at all opposed to the idea, as an idea, but there isn't the "need" created for it. Like I said- every time this comes up, once or so a year, people insist it'd be a bustling forum, but we've never seen any indication of that with the low number of such threads in general discussion and Living. So I'll just repeat what I and the other mods have said every time this has come up, and that's "show us." Oh- and going to the General Discussion board and starting several pet threads all at once doesn't make it seem like a need is there. We're not short-sighted; we consider the frequency of such threads over time, not just whenever the issue flares up. - analog.

08-15-2006, 10:45 AM	#28 (permalink)
ShaniFaye Submit to me, you know you want to Location: Lilburn, Ga	obvioulsy I have mis interpreted your directions and misunderstood what "show us" means I'm not a mind reader....I honestly tried to do what I THOUGHT we were told to do. next time maybe some more specific guidelines on how to go about generating interest would be a good thing so I dont piss any mods off __________________ *I want the diabetic plan that comes with rollover carbs. I dont like the unused one expiring at midnite!!* Last edited by ShaniFaye; 08-15-2006 at 11:00 AM..

08-16-2006, 10:53 AM	#32 (permalink)
analog Banned	user "level five" has been banned because he was a second account of another member already existing on this site- in fact, posting alongside in this very thread. I'd take my time to tell you who that is, since he was an asshole while hiding behind what he thought was his anonymity, but i've got other things to do. - analog. Last edited by analog; 08-16-2006 at 06:31 PM..

08-16-2006, 11:04 AM	#33 (permalink)
sapiens Junkie Location: Some place windy	It was Bill O'Rights wasn't it? I knew it!!! This pet forum idea is serious business. :P Sorry.... I couldn't help myself. I appreciate you dealing with the crap so we don't have to.

08-17-2006, 08:41 AM	#37 (permalink)
MexicanOnABike Location: up north	well i was just enjoying reading this page but if you really need to know if we want this or not then YES! forums for pets is a great idea but i would probably name it "tilted Animals" since that includes everything animal related just like someone mentionned before. this way, it would get a bit more traffic. the thing is i know almost everyone has or had a pet or likes to read about pets somehow. since i had my cats, i've been looking for a good place to look for info on all types of subjects and even if the general discussion forum is getting a lot of traffic, i'd rather see my thread where it belongs. Oh and i know it will be a good thing to have since my "declawing cats" thread is the only thread that i started that reached 2pages long. and i've been here since early 2003. __________________ - Movie Reviews - Ratings-

08-20-2006, 03:00 AM	#39 (permalink)
Brewmaniac Searching for the perfect brew!	-analog, thanks for responding to all the questions! I have posted this in other threads but know one has addressed this? Why not give all forums quality post counts, if they get so many quality posts they stay, if not out they go! This way new ones can be talked about and if there's enough interest try them out! ___________ __________________ "That's a joke... I say, that's a joke, son"

09-03-2006, 12:48 PM	#40 (permalink)
Lady Sage Mistress of Mayhem Location: Canton, Ohio	Just my humble opinion... There is a forum for Tilted Events. It only has 10 threads... I am willing to say that a pet forum would generate at least that many in a week if not a day. Thats all I have to say about that.