Randy Moss Traded
 

To the Oakland Raiders for (LB) Napolean Harris, this years first round pick (7th overall), and a late round pick.


Randy Moss's agent said on Sirius NFL Radio that Moss is happy to be going to a team that has a shot to win the Super Bowl.

Personally, I think he LEFT the team that had the better shot of the two.

Linky


I think Moss now with Porter just getting locked down to a big contract, will be able to put up some nice numbers, but no QB with Culpeppers talent they will not put up the Moss/Carter style numbers.

I just don't see the benefit of this trade for Oakland. You've got a good receiver, but have not much else to help him out. If the quarterback is healthy, then you may see some offense. But giving up the pick and a good player? Don't get it.


Rdr4evr comments in 4...3...2...

Wow, and right after the new owner said he was NOT going to trade Moss... Moss (when he actually wants to play) can be the best reciever in the league, the downside is, obviously, his attitude. So, if the Raiders want to risk that much for a guy like Moss, more power to them... they're not so smart, but hey, they're not my team, so I don't care.

I'd say the Vikings did well in this trade, they got a good return for Moss, probably as good as they were going to be able to get anyway, and got rid of a guy who seems to be nothing but a problem. Of course, that's what people say/said about TO as well, so I guess it just depends on your tolerance for that sort of selfish type of player. I just know I wouldn't want him on my team (Bears) whether they need him or not.

It is amusing how he said he wants to go to a team that can win the Super Bowl... I don't see that happening anytime soon for Oakland, they're entirely too old, in my opinion. The defense is based around old guys, the QB (unless they address it) isn't that great... Should be interesting.

My thoughts almost exactly. As John Riggins and Adam Schine were saying on the NFL channel on Sirius, this trade is GREAT for Minnesota. They get a proven linebacker, the 7th overall pick and they have their pick which I believe is 23rd. They will most likely draft mostly defensive players and since they didn't pick up any salary on the trade they can go out and get a receiver via free agency.

Who knows... maybe this will have the same effect on Minn. that the Hershcel Walker trade had for Dallas. I am an Eagles fan though... I just hope Minn. doesn't get too good so that we might have a chance to go back to the SB and maybe.... win for a change.

This is FUCKING INSANE! After the talks yesterday I was almost certain this would go down soon...I didn't expect it today, but hell, this is huge man! And to top it off, we didn't have to give up Woodson or Buchanon, but rather Harris, which was merely mediocre last season. It sucks that we had to give up our 7th overall, but it’s a much better deal than I anticipated.

We just signed Porter another 5 years as well. Porter, Moss and Curry? That is a fucking killer receiving corps. Now all we need to do is build the secondary and get a stud LB and we will be set...although Woodsons been tagged, it's a high possibility someone will pick him up...if they are willing to pay him top dollar and give up their first rounders...which is going to be risky considering Woodson hasn't played a full season in three years and isn't necessarily the shut down receiver he was in his first several seasons.

I've spoke to several Raider fans and a large majority of them were pissed off for the most part as they don't want Moss due to his sometimes cancerous attitude. I on the other hand am fucking ecstatic as I was hoping for this since the rumors started to fly, providing he doesn't cause trouble in the locker room, he is hands down the best wideout in the league.

Unfortunately I got to get to school and I can't read all the details right now, and I don't think it will be official until early March anyway, but I will check it out when I get back tonight, but as of now....this is fucking great news.

Wow, this is a total surprise. I was actually under the impression that the Raiders would take Mike Williams with their 7th pick (Al Davis seems to have a thing for Trojans), but being that I'm not a fan of the raiders at all (sorry rdr4evr, heh), I'm glad to see this deal go down. If Moss can grow up, he'll definitely be one of the 3 best (if not THE best) receivers in the league. As of now, he's just a ton of potential that's being held back by a completely shitty attitude.

I think the deal is good for the Vikings and the Raiders. There is a good chance that both receivers, Williams and Edwards, could be gone by that pick. Williams is a machine and Edwards’s stock has been rising. The Vikings have some good receivers with playmaking ability, and with most of their talent on the Offense, they haven’t enjoyed success over the years. Minnesota should be able to add an immediate impact player on defense; hopefully they don’t forfeit this pick too. ;)

I think Collins is a capable quarterback, I like his long ball. I saw him light up the Denver secondary in snowy Mile High. Champ Bailey got burnt that game, same game that Porter made a sick one-handed TD grab.

who's gonna throw the ball to him? its like TO on the ravens, wouldnt work

My thoughts:

Moss now goes to a place where he'll fit in :p

The Raiders still need a QB unless Turner believes in killing Rdr4evr by keeping Collins.

The Vikings got the best deal they could, and now can probably draft Williams/Edwards at #7 to replace Moss and get secondary help at #23.

The Ravens no longer have this to worry about and can go on with the offseason :)

From SportsLine:

So in other words, 9142 yards (a record for any player over his first 7 years) just wasn't enough to keep Randy happy. Those stingy bastard quarterbacks just wouldn't throw to him.

Good luck, Randy. Joey Porter just signed a 5 year, $20M contract. You have to share catches with him. And Kerry Collins is NOT Daunte Culpepper.

-Mikey

Ok I am a hardcore Raiders fan and I will always be one. This trade will defintly benefit the Raiders more than Minn. The Raiders could take the tandem of Moss and Porter and throw in Curry is gonna be one hell of a WR core. Trust me there gonna be feared anywhere in the league. Also whats up with this Collins bashing. First off Collins is still good may not be the best as he once was but I rather have him than Bledsoe and I can tell you he can still throw the deep ball and he defintly can play. If not we have Touis. Trust me Touis can play ball. Fargas is gonna have one hell of a year with Moss and Porter on the outside. Trust me Speed on "BOTH" outsides will be HELL FOR ANY TEAM. "Z"

mikey...i'm sad as hell to see him go, but he's right. the vikes were not competitive, and do not appear to becoming competitive.

As a team, we can't hold shit together. Does Moss share some responsbility? Certainly. But does Tice, and the defensive line have more? I'm afraid so. Our offense won games, and our play calling and defense lost 'em.

If Packers lose Favre, the NFC North might just be the shittest league in football.

I guess Oakland's next move could be to get Couch or Holcombe as a QB....... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Just win baby..... :lol: :lol: :lol:

Moss won't get anywhere next year and his attitude will be such that he'll make enemies of the Raider fans fast.

Moss would do so much better on a team where there is a true QB he is the #1 unquestioned WR. As it stands, the Raiders have 2 other pretty good WR he'll have to share time with and are in serious need of a strong QB. Not a good combo for someone of Moss's "ME" attitude.

Actually, Vikings got the short end of the stick. This was a steal for the Raiders man, we gave up a bum (Harris was another 1st round bust) and our 7th, which is no problem as we will get our 1st rounder back once we give up Woodson (possibly 20th or something), assuming anyone is willing to give up 10 million for him, if not, we will have no choice but to cut him and let him take what he can get. He simply is not worth it and we can’t afford to pay him that kind of money without fucking the cap. Furthermore, aside from Woodson freeing up 10 million, Gannon will free up another 8 million, Parella 2 million, and Grant, I don’t know how much he is supposed to get this season, but whatever it is, he’s not worth it, the guy is trash (hell, I hope we cut Sapp too while were at it). More than likely, Moss will restructure his deal also, but even if he doesn’t, he is to earn 7 million next season, which is still less than what Gannon was to make, so this is a win-win situation.

Thinking about Moss and Porter running the deep route with Curry in the slot give me chills man, not to mention Teyo. (wonder who’s going to wear 84 :lol: ). Unfortunately, I don’t have too much faith in Scary Kerry, but he better get his shit together quick fast. He’s got the arm, but without accuracy, mobility, vision and intelligence, the guy is damn near worthless (Oh Gannon, WHY OH WHY must you have had a career ending injury??!...Fuck you Brooks!). I’m giving Collins one more shot, if he proves his worth, fine, but if he doesn’t, Al and Norv better pull his ass out and put Tui in, otherwise it’s another season down the crapper.

Now that we have one of the best receiving corps in the league, all we need to do is sign a RB and our offense will be unstoppable (how Davis will go about that is beyond me)…even with a sub par defense, which will hopefully be taken care of in the draft. If we can manage to get a 1st rounder for Woodson, hopefully we can get that pass rusher we so desperately need. If Davis manages to pull it off with a RB, OLB/ILB, and a DE somehow, we will go from 5-11 to SB run, count on it.

I guess living in the midwest and not seeing oakland play every week i've missed something because last time I checked Joey Porter was an okay wide receiver but definitely not a game changing one and ronald curry was never anything worth talking about.

I think Vikes got the deal with Moss out daunte had to find other ways to get points on the board and get more people involved now that he doesn't have make sure he gets the ball to moss X number of times a game to keep him happy that offense is going to be MORE dangerous because they're more versatile. They should pick up a wideout in either the draft or free agency to reaffirm the deep threat but I don't see that as incredibly hard. Their defense has been the let down all along with this team and now they have another solid performer on defense and the shot to take one of the many talented players on defense in this draft. I see the vikes getting the better deal out of this.

His name is Jerry Porter, not Joey, and if you watched the snowy Denver game and the way he burned Chump Bailey (greatest CB in the league HAHAHAH!) with 135 yards and 3 TD's, you would know why he's a game changing receiver. He also led the Raiders in receiving with a 1000 yard season, 9 TD's and a 16 yard average. As for Ronald Curry, not worth talking about? I think not. He was the number 2 receiving leader on the Raiders EVEN with missing the final four games with an injury. He had 679 yards with an average of 13.6 and 6 TD's.
That was actually Curry who made that catch.

http://www.ron-c.com/curry54.jpg

those are embarassing numbers....seriously that's not even close to top notch.

Did anyone say he’s top notch? Nobody said he is putting up Muhammad numbers, nobody said he is the greatest receiver in the league either, but the numbers are far from embarrassing. Porter is 25th total in yards and 14th total in TD's in the NFL. Sure, nothing amazing, but hardly embarrassing.

how can you call that the best receiving core in the NFL with Randy Moss a severely Mediocre Jerry Porter and Ronald Curry. I *might* put them in the top 5, but not the best get real.

You obviously can't read. Did I say that is the best receiving core in the NFL? No, I said it is ONE of the best.

***yawn***

I'm going to ask without really thinking about it, but then again. . . thinking about it, who is Oaklands QB???

Furthermore, when is Oakland going to admit they need to rebuild rather than keep patching. I agree, Moss went from a contender to a non contending team.

runtuff, Oakland's QB used to be Rich Gannon, but now it's Kerry Collins.

Moss' numbers will hurt with Kerry Collins throwing him the ball.

The Vikings will make out like bandits in this trade if they draft well.

sorry your homer mentality hurts my brain, it effects my ability to function properly.

Number one get off the QB bashing Collins is more than enough of a QB for the Raiders recieving core. He had a shaky beginning this season coming off the bench but he will be a different QB this season.

Porter is one hell of a WR I admit he hasnt done much with the Raiders but u got to see what they went through. He was starting to come to Pro Bowl status towards the end of the season last year. But he still has a away to go and with Moss in the line up he will take it to the other step. Porter was really the only WR the Raiders had last year besides Curry who did end up getting hurt.

I agree they have patched instead of rebuild. But I feel that the roster is getting better. Also they are freeing up cap room to help rebuild the team this off season. The Raiders are not done on the trading block or even got started in the off season. Woodson will be gone if not I hope so cause he hasnt done jack for the raiders the past three seasons.

Get off the trash talking on the Raiders when your team can win Super Bowls come talking but last time I heard the Vikes havent got close enough to even smell it. The Raiders who was called the oldest team in the NFL I think they made the Super Bowl that year and the previous years before that was winning their divison in "THE TOUGHEST DIVISON" in the NFL.

Though I am a Dolphin fan, my dad grew up a Raider fan, so as a kid I liked them too... this should be an exciting squad. This will be huge for the Raiders.A combination that will replace Tim Brown/Jerry Rice of a couple of years ago...All they need now is Ricky Williams and they have a psychiatrist's Dream squad...

gotta love al davis though "Just win Baby"

I proved that you severely lack comprehension skills, and you resort to insults. Don't get upset at me because you haven't a clue what you're talking about. But thanks for proving my point. And it's "affects", not "effects", you're just digging yourself in a deeper hole everytime you open your mouth, give it up.

go ahead and take your shots, you're the one who said the raiders were going to make a superbowl run when they DON'T have a quality running back and who knows if they'll even sign one. On top of the fact that your TERRIBLE defense just got worse with the loss of a starter. If that's not homerism i apologize.

As a Raiders fan... I have mixed feelings. I really wanted Al to make a move for a great back. I don't think I was the only one that was tired of the lacklustre combo of Wheatley and Zereoue, and I've been the one praying since the rumour about 6 months back when Ricky Williams said he wanted to come back to play for the Raiders, that Al would get him, somehow. There are big RBs on the market, and I hope the Raiders get somebody. Hell, I'd even throw the third round pick for Travis Henry (worst case), or make a stab at Alexander (or James before the Colts tagged him).

Don't get me wrong, I love Moss coming to the Raiders. The main reason I like the Raiders is the ever plentiful amount of off the field stories that come from them (I'm thinking Barrett Robbins getting shot up, Janikowski punching in car windows and mirrors, Woodson getting arrested at a club, etc.) I even liked the Warren Sapp deal not so much for his play, as I know he's not half the player he was, but for his attitude.

Moss coming to Oakland just fits. I'll be watching Week 1 to see if Collins can actually throw the long ball to Moss, and I'll more than likely be the first one to launch the remote at the TV on the first sack or dropped pass or interception, get all mad, reach for another beer, and relax. Until the next Raiders mishap.

can I have a job at wherever you work to be able to afford that many television sets? :P

You took the first shot; don't deliver them if you can't take them back. Now, since you still don't get it, let me just quote myself from one of my original posts.
Do you understand yet? You've put words into my mouth since your first post, and I've proved you wrong since your first post. Had you decided to discuss the issue respectfully, I wouldn't continue to make you look like a fool. Just concentrate a little harder next time before putting words into my mouth.
That said, we didn't lose a GOOD starter...Harris was garbage and is hardly going to hurt the already pathetic LB core, aside from Clark.

If you still choose to make baseless claims or talk trash, be my guest, but if you don’t get it by now, you never will.

point is: i said you were a homer, you insulted my intelligence i think there's a BIT of a difference.


another point: your claim on napoleon harris being "garbage" is SUBJECTIVE. I'd hardly say a guy who made 71 tackles on a terrible team a year ago (not counting last season since the '06 hasn't started yet) is garbage. At the OLB spot...that's pretty good.

as for putting words in your mouth, i misread your post, it sounded less like "if they make these moves" and more like "they will make these moves" so I apologize.

I still don't think you made me look like a fool since you haven't really proven anything except i misread a post and you have an opinion about napoleon harris that not everyone shares. but hey, opinions are like armpits... yadda yadda.


EDIT: you also took the first shot claiming I "obviously couldn't read"

Harris had 1 decent season in his short career, and that is the season you mentioned, but this past season he only had a whopping 47 tackles, not God awful, but not a big loss either as I'm sure someone could easily fill his shoes. As for who took the first shot...I took "get real" as a shot, especially when you had "misread" my posts and put words in my mouth. That is besides the point now and there is really no reason to continue arguing like 10 year olds. If you think Harris is good, fine, I respect that, if you despise the Raiders, that’s your opinion too, but I was getting annoyed when you were making baseless statements without backing it up. Anyways, let's leave it at that. We will see what happens in the rest of the off-season.

I'm not going to get into details, but being a bears fan I watch and follow the NFC North very closely. I can honestly say, this trade was the best thing that could happen to the Vikings (bad news for my Bears but hey).

This will come back and bite Oakland in the ass. Mark my words.

--jaded

Well I guess Moss will fit right in with the Raiders "bad boy" image. I still can't believe the Vikings actually traded him, good for them and good riddens.

win-win situation for the raiders... porter's locked up, get rid of harris, woodson's tagged with exception (meaning he can shop around, any team that bids has to give up 2 1st round picks for him), and we get moss...


regardless of how you feel about moss' on/off field incidents (which in my mind are overblown):
considering at the same point in their career, randy moss has more touchdowns than jerry rice did.
most catches in first 6 years in the league
most receiving yards in first 6 years in the league
only receiver to have 1,000+ yards receiving in his first 6 years in the league
nfc rookie of the year in his rookie season
all-pro (voted by sportswriters) on 3 occassions
pro bowl numerous times (voted by the fans)...

Good for the Raiders. Better them than the Ravens. I think it will be better for the Raiders and the Vikings. He ruined any chance of staying in Minnesota by screwing over his own teammates. Even Culpepper said he didn't care if Moss returned or not. Oddly enough, that same personality could help him in Oakland. They seem to thrive on that stuff there. On the other hand, if he doesn't get the ball enough, I guess he could create problems there also. We'll see.

Glad to see he is gone out of the NFC North, he has definatly burned my um cough "Lions" enough times. I think the Vikings got the better end of the deal, but I guess that depends on what comes of the draft picks they got. What is the general feeling about this in Raider land?

How do they plan to get the ball to him, direct snap???

:lol:
man now i got to sell my vikings moss jersey.
poor Daunte...all alone with no sure hands to get the deep pass

I am a big raider fan and I love the trade. With Jerry Porter locked up on one side, and Randy Moss on the other - plus Kerry Collins, a guy who can throw the deep ball, we are going to be a big vertical threat. Yeah, i kinda hated Moss before - all the antics and sideshows were/are horrible. But the raiders have a history of taking castoffs and making them a team player. Hopefully Moss falls in line.

Its very good for the Raiders and its the reason I made bets with my friends that the Raiders will finish at least 4 games better than the Browns. He better play well cause i have two cases of beer on the bet.

Moss dis Moss dat...Im not a huge fan of players with big mouths, but I will say this...Randy certainly backs up the shit talking he has done over the years (numbers dont lie). He should be a good fit in Oakland, where a consistant receiever was certainly needed.

No play Ray and Middleton were cut yesterday too....how sweet it is. Now, just get rid of that bum Walker and we will be good. What's he due? 2.5 mil? For what? If he actually manages to stick to his man, he normally ends up with a interference call, either that or he gets burned. Guys not worth a dime.

I was sad that they cut Middleton, just because I liked the guy. The "Let's be Frank" columns on raiders.com were funny. But, he isn't worth what they had to pay him, especially with injury concerns.

ESPN was reporting that they only cut Ray to get under the cap and will resign him to a lower paying deal. He got burned one too many times last season for me to want him on the team at whatever pay.

And as for Walker, meh. Don't care, really. All I can say about the OL is that I'd be happier if Robert Gallery could actually play the position he knows, instead of getting criticized playing a position he's not *as* familiar with.

And another thing, I'm going to be pissed off if the Raiders don't pick up LaMont Jordan. Just saying.

Yeah, I heard that we might sign No play again too, that would be horrible man, and the guy is trash. He can't read the QB if his life depended on it, and if he could, he can't make a damn tackle (How many times did you see confusion in the secondary? Way more than you should have). As far as Gallery playing his position, I couldn't agree more. Hell, Gallery wasn't the only one out of his position, they whole God damn roster was. Brayton was playing LB for fucks sake!! What we need to do is put Gallery at LT, Sims at LG (to hopefully prevent his numerous false starts), Grove at center, and as far as RG, I can't say as Stone will probably be gone, and Walker at RG...Once we get that RB though, our offense is set, it’s time to put focus on the defense.

What I want to know is why on all the free-agent lists that the sports websites put out, why every single CB on the list is "probably" headed to Oakland. I wouldn't mind another if we trade Woodson, but there are definate other areas that are of bigger concern *cough thefrontsevencantstoptherunatall cough*, *cough whythehellareweplayingthe3-4ughgobacktothe4-3 cough*

Oh, and because I'm not really sure how certain aspects of the salary cap work, if the Raiders do end up finding a sucker to take Woodson, does Oakland have to bear any of the 10.5m that Woodson's paid? Or is that the other teams? I just don't get much of the cap business.

Parella and Wheat were cut today....Jordan was signed for 5 year, 25 million.
Offense is a fucking powerhouse now...time to work on the defense. I agree with you about switching back to the 4-3 and putting our guys back to their natural positions...much more effective. But it's still too early to tell as we don't know who else is going to get cut or signed and so on and so forth.
The only way to get out of paying Cwood the 10.5 is to either trade him or work out a long term contract, otherwise, we're stuck with him.

Here's hoping that the Raiders trade Woodson and use EVERY SINGLE pick they have this year on defence. EVERY ONE. Linebackers. Another corner. Hell, someone to replace no-play Ray (and I played some pretty good safety in my high school days, I'll try out!) haha. no.

Actually, I got burned several times, and was mostly a benchwarmer till my senior year, where I didn't play too badly (4 picks in a 7 game season, I know, seven games, I'm from small town Canada, not a tremendous amount of schools in the area) aww man, I was tied for 2nd in the league. My last game I got two and I wanted so badly to get the third I almost let a big play by me (ended up being brought back by a hold)... one of those moments where you really want that pick, but it wasn't the greatest for the team, ahh. Mistake by me I guess.

But I digress. The raiders, with LaMont Jordan now, are looking nicely on offence. Play action is going to be sweet. The focus is now the defence, and I'd hope that they're better this year than 30th in the league.

I agree, I don't think it's wise to waste any more time on offense, FA or draft. Depending on if Stone get's cut and who will fill his spot, the offense is a f**king powerhouse and will be damn near unstoppable if Collins doesn't manage to blow it for us (which I'm not too confident about). As of now, the 3-4 should be dropped immediately in favor of the 4-3 to get our guys where they belong, this could of course change completely depending on who we end up signing, but as of now, it's simply not a good option. Sapp is damn near worthless at end, Brayton can't do jack sh*t at LB, couple that with the rest of our pathetic LB corps (aside from Clark), and the 3-4 doesn't suit us in the least. Hopefully with this offense, we can keep the defense on the field as little as possible (once again, if Collins doesn't throw his trademark INT's) which was a prime fault of this season.

Yes, a solid reminder of why I HATE the fucking Raiders, dirty bastards they are. Their fans are so misguided in their love for football, I hope Al Davis dies soon, so I can fly out and dance on his grave. You guys are still the worst team in the AFC West, so dont worry about it. Once we get Ed Hartwell and Patrick Surtain/Samari Rolle, we will dominate our competition (Diego and Denver). Let it burn, Raiders fans, your still a classless, competitionless, waste of NFL space.

Ouch. I guess for starters, you're right in the fact that the Raiders are still the worst team in the AFC West; being that I can only go on last season. I don't think the Raiders have done anything but improve in the offseason, and, correct me if I'm wrong, but you really sound jealous of the Moss trade.

I'm also going to assume that you're a Chiefs fan, because you listed your "only" competition as San Diego and Denver. You might want to think about that, considering the Chiefs only beat the Raiders by a late touchdown (the first time) and a late FG (the second time). Sure, the Chiefs won, and I'll give them that... but to then state that the Raiders weren't competition is ridiculous. Both were close competitive games.

And, even with the addition of either Surtain/Rolle/Hartwell, the defence in KC is a joke. There are more shootouts at Arrowhead than anywhere else. That doesn't mean that I'm taking the position that the Raiders are any better, but c'mon. The Raiders defence'll still be bad next year, and I'll admit that, even with additions. So will KC's.

Funny that you want Al Davis dead. I think it's funny that he does deals that you wish were done for KC. Too bad for you that Moss will be catching numerous TD passes against the Chiefs next year.

Talk about jealousy. Don't be upset because our offense is going to light up your poor excuse for a defense next season. Don't be jealous because we just obtained the best receiver in the league and the best RB available in FA. Don't be jealous because we have 5 SB appearances with 3 trophies under our belt whereas you only have 2 appearances and 1 trophy. Yes, your team is quite pathetic, and ours was no better last season, but we are overall extremely more successful than you and will more than likely continue to be so. So, rather than blind hatred and jealousy, respect the better organization.

The better organization since when? Sure, a few DECADES ago you guys were considerably more successful. As I recall Kansas City was by far the winnengest team in the NFL during the 90's. Only exception being the year you guys took our QB and got jacked in the Super Bowl by the Bucs. I felt so good inside when we took Curry out, like the fragile man he is. I wish I had a tape of that game, I'd relive the moment over and over. There were days when LA-KC was an intense rivalry, we used to look forward to Raider week all year. Now the Broncos seem to be the larger rivalry. I honsetly you guys get good again, so we can renew our mutual hatred. Ironically, we have an owner of class and good nature, and you have a classless bad natured dipshit.

all time raider record 396-263-11 - .603 win percentage

all time chiefs record 377-308-12 - .540 win percentage

we've been the better organization since the inception of the afl... to the merger of the afl and nfl.

the last super bowl the chiefs went to was super bowl 4.

the last chiefs player to go to the hall of fame was marcus allen, who was a raider first!

we've been better, we are better. you may not like our tactics, but fear the silver and black. :D

Uncle El, please post statistics of both franchises since 1990. Youll see what I'm talking about. Plus, we've got the Priest. Bye, Raiders, bye.

:lol: so lets ignore all time statistics from the last 40-50 years and post them from the last 15...please, how does that make the cheifs a better franchise.

Just saw this thread for the first time. I've lived in MN all my life and been a hardcore Vikings fan the whole time. I've always been pro Moss even with all his antics on and off field. But this season was the straw that broke the camels back. The guy visually brought the team down. I get to spend the whole game 3 rows up on the 45 right behind the Vikings bench, and you can almost hear him spew his garbage about not getting passes, and bad blocking.

I was ready for him to go. So get ready Raiders. Get ready for horrible rush blocking. Get ready for not faking a person out when the ball isn't coming to him. Get ready for half ass practice work outs. Get ready for the best receiver in the game, that will onmly play when he wants too.

That being said, we'll see if this trade is any good. Napolean H. sucked last year, but was good the tear before. 7th pick could be good... We'll see.

Raiders you now have the best recieving corps in all the world. Congrats. I was not happy to see Moss in the AFC West, but still, with Kerry Collings steering the ship, well take our chances. Go Chiefs.

Instead of creating a new thread to be harassed by Oakland haters, I'll take the opportunity to post here tha the Raiders just signed DE Derrick Burgess, formerly of the Eagles.

I'm kind of hoping this'll make Sapp and Washington PLAY SOME FOOTBALL and not be content to play sub-par because of the great long term contracts they currently enjoy.

Burgess had a great season with Philly last year, sure he lost a few games to injury... but I'm happy that the Raiders aren't just looking to fix the offence.

*I'll wait for the Raider-haters to flame*.

with burgess, if we could pick up a decent lb, we may have the ability to play a solid 3-4.

HA! A great season last year??? He played 12 games with 24 combined tackles, 16 solo tackles and 2.5 sacks. I don't think that qualifies for more than mediocre at best. Not to mention that he missed all but 1 game in 2002 and EVERY game in 2003 with injuries. Hey, I hope he is great for you guys, but he is a pass rusher, not a run stuffer which is what the linemen need to be in the 3-4.

At 6'2" 266lbs maybe he would be better as an LB.

Guess I'm jaded... coming to the Raiders, those are amazing stats. :lol:

I still say Oakland would play better in the 4-3... Burgess/Sapp/Washington/... Gbaja-Biamila? Well, whoever would play the other end. Whatever. Hamilton too. Oops.

everyone who's average when coming to oakland...we turn them into hall of fame pro bowlers. look at gannon for a perfect example. i have a feeling burgess will come through.

godzilla... i still prefer the 4-3 as well, i always have, but i doubt that they are going to change the plans...who knows, i guess it depends on who we sign. if we somehow magically repair the defense...it will simply be incredible...heres hoping to the best.

and actually burnttoast...i think you're are correct, he would make a better lb...maybe he was signed for that...as a matter of fact, you're right, he probably was.

win-loss record since 1990
raiders 124-116
chiefs 143-97

edge: chiefs



playoff apperances since 1990
raiders 6 (90, 91, 93, 00, 01, 02)
chiefs 8 (90, 91, 92, 93, 94, 95, 97, 03)

edge: chiefs



super bowl appearances since 1990
raiders 1
chiefs 0

edge: raiders




super bowl wins since 1990
raiders 0
chiefs 0

edge: draw

since 1990, chiefs 2, raiders 1...





win-loss record since 2000
raiders 42-38
chiefs 41-39

edge: raiders




playoff apperances since 2000
raiders 3 (00, 01, 02)
chiefs 1 (03)

edge: raiders



super bowl apperances since 2000
raiders 1
chiefs 0

edge: raiders



super bowl wins since 2000
raiders 0
chiefs 0

edge: draw

since 2000, raiders 3, chiefs 0...












combined, raiders 4, chiefs 2
edge: raiders

:D

The Vikings and Raiders both got what they wanted here, what more could you ask for in a trade?

Neither one of these teams is going to the Super Bowl next year...and neither would have gone even if they never traded.

The Vikings need to take care of their silly coach first, he's a knucklehead. And the Raiders need to find a way to make Kerry Collins not choke.

All I got to say to WhosTajGray is with the talent you guys did have you guys got where? Thats what I thought no where. If I remember correctly we where called the oldest team in the NFL and we got to the SB the chiefs got to watch us lose in the SB but at least we got there. The cheifs got a great running back and a great offensive line. But besides that there is nothing else. Before you start talking smack on the Raiders please do you homework and look at who has been the better team in the divison. As long as I can remember the Raiders and Denver have been battlling it out more than with the chiefs.

Er, we have the BEST running back and the BEST offensive line. Last time I checked we had the BEST tight end in football too. And think we have a Pro Bowl quarterback. And as of last week, we have a pro bowl safety and a pretty good LB in Kendrell Bell. Word association: Chiefs defense = up and coming....

Ok...

Best RB
Best Oline
Best TE
Pro Bowl QB
Pro Bowl Safety
Pro Bowl LB

And you still cant get it done!!! LOL!! Dude seriously at least I will admit when my team sucks ass and to be honest your team may not suck ass but with all that and they still cant pull off a Playoff win. Just shows that your team cant pull it out in the long run and with all that talent they still are sitting home watching teams with sorry ass records and sorry ass players making it to the SB.

LaDanian Tomlinson is the best runningback in the league. don't kid yourself guys.

And after last season, one could make the argument that Crumpler is now the premier TE in the league.

Raiders and The Champs open the season on Sept. 8th
 

Hey Rdr4evr:

I know it's a bit early in the year to start trash talking about the season opener, but since ESPN.com has published an article talking about it, so why not?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2018671

Raiders suck.

Yes dylan, i read this earlier today, and i wouldn't mind putting a couple hundred on it with you if we can manage to do it somehow. you will be slaughtered, your entire team is falling apart, therefore, you suck, not us. you've had a shitty off-season, we've had a killer off-season, face it, your team and their cheating playoff/SB ways are over, it's our turn to take what is rightfully ours.

oh my god, why don't you call the wahhhh-mbulance. Seriously that whole "you stole the playoff game 23487203894 yeras ago" is so played out. Your team sucks until proven otherwise. The patriots are good until proven otherwise. the end.

I do believe I just peed my pants...I needed a good laugh, thanks.

He better do well, and Oakland better win games. I made a bet that they would finish 4 games over the browns. SO i need Randy Moss to play amazing

the haters are out again...your jealousy amuses me...all of you :lol:

jealousy? its called realism, homer.

lunchbox...really, do i need to make you look like an fool again? and give the "homer" non-sense a rest. i can prove you wrong in almost everything you spew regarding the raiders, because you lack severe knowledge about them and the nfl as you have obviously proven in this thread. i know you really want to argue, but i'll pass until you can bring up something worth arguing about.

yes, you sure made me look like a fool.... on the internet...in front of people i don't know....good one.

blah...nevermind...not worth it.

Let's see how the Raiders go in the season opener against the Patriots.

Spoiler: Go Silver n Black!

lol, in geek/teenage gaming terms that would be known as "pwnt" :D

--jaded

yes jadadfox, i was 'pwnt' severely, i must admit. i bow to you lunchbox, you truly are a genius.

Bottom like is that the Raiders are still a 7-9 team at best. Jordon is unproven, the O-line is week and Collins cant hit a wall, much less Moss or Porter, sober. We don't even need to touch on their defense.

LT might be the better back and with longer term upside than Holmes, everyone in the league knows that Priest behind our OL Hall of Fame is the dominant run punch. No one has been as productive as Priest Holmes over the last 3 years and he's been injured each year. Gunther Cunningham will have this defense in the upper half this season, watch an d see. And if we get that, we get the Super Bowl.

Everyone knows the Lions defense is on the verge of being amazing. All they need is to sign jesus as a DB and Harrington needs to up his production by like 300% and there's no doubt the Lions are in the super bowl. Winning it might be a challenge, maybe if barry comes back out of retirement in the exact same shape as when he left we'd pull it off no doubt. I hear grumblings that he's going to do just that.



/Freaking TIRED of homer mentality instead of reality.

Only an idiot would compare the Lions to the Chiefs in any way, shape, or form. What a joke of a comment. Im gonna jack your lunchbox and rub your jelly sanny in your face.

Hey rookie, there are rules here about name-calling and disrespect.

Read the TFP charter if you aren't familiar with the rules.

I've been reading 3 pages of this and the question that keeps coming up, for me at least, is "really, who cares?"

If your a Raider fan (and I am), you like the addition of man with Moss' numbers running on your offense. It may be true that it doesn't matter as Collins is about as worthless as a second hole in the ass, but then again he might come out and surprise everyone.

If you're not a Raider fan, what the hell do you care? Sure controversy follows this guy like stink on shit, but controversy as always followed the silver and black. People wondered how Jerry Rice would fit in with receiver core; he did just fine. Folks wondered how Romanowski (I hope I spelled that right) would manage; he did alright. Everyone talked about Sapp moving in; he's doing just fine. Moss will do the same.

Personally, I think it's nice to see another proven solid receiver running routes out there with the as yet, untested talent. I certainly would've liked to see Collins get the pinkslip, but Norv seems hell bent on making him the next 'go to guy' handling the ball, so, what can you do? Will there be controversy? Absolutely, he's a flamboyant character, no doubt about it, but I think his numbers speak for themselves. He'll do just fine.

To take it a step further, I think he helped Culpepper become a better quarterback. Maybe some of that mojo will rub off on Kerry "second arsehole" Collins. The last two seasons have been absolutely horrible, I really don't see how signing Randy Moss can do more harm than good.

Apologies.....didnt mean those lunchbox comments maliciously or with ill-will. Will watch self in future....