Guys, what bothers you most about girls?
 

since this is an equal opportunity forum, let's have at it.

give me your own generalizations about what things females do that bug you and can perhaps modify their behavior if they saw fit to. (to put a positive/constructive spin on things ;))

Heee!

Don't play headgames!!

That's my #1 complaint with SOME girls (note not all are like this). Tell me what's on your mind no matter how you think I will react. Don't dance around the point. Guys are usually blunt creatures and we appreciate the direct approach in most cases. Don't go back and forth on your feelings, just be straight up and honest. No headgames PLEASE!!

I totally agree. Tell me what you think. If you like me, tell me that. If you're not interested, make me aware of that, too.

If you want something, ask for it. Subtle hints do not work - ever. Just say it.

Headgames!

If you have an interest in us, make a move. Unless I'm already taken, I surely wouldn't mind.

[Rant]THEIR FICKLE NATURE!!

OMG! It drives me crazy! One moment, you're in my arms cuddling, the next moment, you're w/ another guy. What also adds to is when i try to be straight forward with them, "how do you feel about me" type of talk, and they go hem and haw and i don't know.

Guess i'm doing alot of stuff wrong :D

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I could give you a list of what doesn't bother me about girls, I am sure it would be much shorter...

I kid of course, I love the ladies...most of the time

damn the first 2 things that popped into my head are already taken...

no mind games... we cant read your mind... dont tell us we should already know whats wrong... dont throw subtle hints... or even blatently obvious hints... were not good at catching hints so just tell us...


and if your interested make a move... or at least make it blatently obvious... were as nervous about getting rejected as you are... if not more nervous...

Yeah, when a woman says "I expect you to know what's wrong and how to fix it."

WTF?? I'm not a mind reader!

how they ignore me....and dont flock to me. Oh how i wish i had the fight them off like they were a pack of rabid dogs. ^_^

Like everyone else said--mindgames. We dont read minds, dont assume we do ;)

hatred of self/bad self-image=shutdown of sex drive. I know i'm ugly but it never stopped feeling sexual. And yeah headgames suck too.

In no particular order:

Gossip
I don't understand why they do it. The women at work are constantly talking about someone behind that person's back. Why are they so interested in the affairs of others?

Giggling
Few things irritate me as much as a bunch of girls giggling together. It makes them look retarded and is just plain annoying.

Make-up
I don't care for it. It doesn't look good, even when it's subtle, and as a basic rule: if you can tell someone's wearing make-up, then they're wearing too much of it. Looking like a cheap hooker doesn't take much effort.

Raving About Shoes & Clothes
I don't care about your shoes. I don't care about your clothes. Either you wear some or you don't, that's the extent of my interest. I will not remember what you wore last night, nor does the fact that you wasted all that money in something as trivial as clothing make me think very highly of you. Now, if you made your clothes from scratch by yourself, that's a different story.

The PMS Excuse
So you're in pain. You have cramps, headaches, and you're bleeding like a stuck pig. And that is my fault how exactly? Basically, I don't take too well to women who act like a bitch and just chalk it up to being on the rag. If you do, better cough up an apology real fast.

Phone Craze
Most females I know love the telephone. If Bell were alive, they'd probably fuck his brains out just out of gratitude. And these phone calls these girls make, they're not just quick hellos, either...they're marathons lasting for hours, expecting you to be able to maintain your interest in the on-going conversation, which naturally has no actual topic. They just love to talk, and expect us to love to listen.

Headgames
Almost everything can be turned into a game if you're a female. And oftentimes is, if it serves a self-purpose.

The Mother Syndrome
Deciding for me when a pair of my boxers has outlived its expiration date has never struck a good chord with me. Telling me why this and that combo of clothing isn't fashionable isn't turning me on either. My socks may expose my heels, but they're my socks. If you want to throw items out, start with your own.

N & N
Neatness and Niceness that goes beyond comprehension. Women have an amazing ability to see dirt or stains where I see none. If you think it's still dirty after my half-hearted attempting at cleaning it, clean it up yourself. I'm not interested. The other thing is the niceness. I happen to like the words "fuck", "cock", "pussy", "tits", "cunt", "twat", "shit" and even "bitch". As long as I am not using them to describe you, don't go telling me whether or not I can/should use them...that is, if you want me to continue refraining from using them to describe you.

That little wrinkle thier nose thing they do. Sure its cute the first few times you do it about something I dont really care about.

But you dont wrinkle your nose at my Truck...

And pretty much everything else listed

Ongoing, drawn out, passive-aggressive power struggles are bothersome.
Some women Ive known can be fickle like that. I take some responsibility, but its still a drag.

That when you're married, you can only have one woman.

leave the baggage at the door!

i understand that everyone has baggage and part of a relationship is dealing with it, but when you're 5 minutes into the relationship and you're already dealing with it, that's too much.

Headgames, yes. But I really dislike how some of them hate their self-image. I know it's more of a depression problem but it's so damn annoying. If you don't like how you look and aren't going to do anything about then, then quit fucking complaining.

There is a misconception that girls are naturally more mature then guys. From my experience women are just as likely to be sexuality, mentality and emotionally immature. Yet there is a social assumption that women are somehow born with these traits and thus some of them never actually bother to give them any thought.

Says who? You just have to marry the right one ...

*knew you'd have something to say about that as he scrolled down...*

1. Bitchiness
2. Mind Games
3. Using periods as an excuse
4. How girls expect guys to pay on dates (OK maybe not the TFP girls, but in the real world it's extremely rare to have a girl pay on the first date...you all have jobs now, you can pay your share).
5. The way they think every guy only wants to get into their pants
6. The way some dress like whores, and they get offended when people assume they're one because of how they dress
7. Fat girls who wear clothes that they shouldn't be wearing (indecent exposure if you ask me)
8. Their driving abilities...I don't care what you say to me, women are scared shitless on the roads, and it effects their driving ability
9. The way they aren't straightforward...just friggen tell me what's wrong
10. The way they ask questions that no matter what I say I get in trouble. I'd like a female to tell me why they do this

1. Insecureness.

2 Always waiting till it's too late to tell you what is bothering them.

3. When they get their periods :p. All the mood swings, insecureness, and bitchiness resulting.

4. Girls(esp beautiful girls) who dress really sexy or slutty then give you a cold glare when they see you admiring/staring at them.

5. Time to get ready. My gawd it always takes girls forever to get ready.

6. Oh yeah and head games.

7. Girls who wear grandma panties *shudders* why?

-Nagging is the worst thing ever
-explaining things over in the same sentence, now i admit guys do that too but not near as often.
-mood swings
-thinking men can read their minds when we most obviously cant

i tried to keep this list as fresh as possible, but some had to be stressed to show a complete consensus from the male community that its annoying ;)

-I generally dislike it when anyone follows whats currently trendy just because its whats trendy. However, since (in my opinion) so much more marketing bull is aimed towards girls, they tend to do it more...I could be wrong about that bit...

-Headgames aka indirect approach

-Preoccupation with getting old

-Girls who are overtly sexual in their mannerisms/dress style yet deny it/act as if they are not

M: "Honey whats wrong?"
F: "nothing"
M: "No seriously I can see something is bothering you, tell me..."
F: "If you really loved me I wouldn't have to tell you..."

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRGHHHHHHH!!!

Monogamy schonogomy :) Just like to encourage people to think outside the box.

Only complaint i have about the ladies, love every other bit about them

I can only speak for myself - -however...

Lace itches - Silk is awful in the summer -- Every so often I climb under over of behind a server rack -- not happening in a thong... plus that dental floss up the butt thing isn't exactly comfy.

My Hanes Her Way "granny" panties are comfortable --

-Sensitivity: girls always want guys to be sensitive, yet when you find a sensitive guy, you're not sensitive back, infact commonly the opposite.

-expectation that when you break up with a guy that he immediately lose all feelings for you. (which has been too common in my experience)

-inability to make a decision: last time i had a fight with my girlfriend i talked to a friend (my ex) about it... the conversation was as such:
"i don't have any idea what the hell is wrong with her... she said a bunch of stuff about how she 'could never love me as much as i love her'.. but i don't expect anything from her"

"that's what makes it harder"

"what?"

"she needs to know what you want?"

"what am i supposed to tell her how to feel?!"

:-d

My thoughts exactly...

took this from another thread
Yelling at us for not doing this, then not doing it themselves. I myself am a person who does like to feel appriciated every once and awhile without having to support everyone else. I've been yelled at so many times for not doing anything nice or whatever when I've never gotten anything in return. Now mind you, I'd usually do something nice soon after.

Lack of confidence - you're smart and beautiful, your sexy and attractive and nothing I say can make you feel that way unless you want to. Please act like that toward me, take initiative, and sometimes believe me when I compliment you.

Head games - please say what you're thinking, if you don't know exactly I'm willing to sit here and talk through it with you.

My loyalty - I love you and I always will, my feelings aren't the basis of my love for you, my commitment and loyalty to you are.

Not understanding a guys sexual need - I feel extremely loved, and sexy and attractive when you want to have sex with me. If I'm having a bad day and you have sex with me my day becomes incredibly better. You have an amazing power to effect how intimate I feel toward you and how my attitude is, use that power to show me love.

Women are amazing though all in all :)

edited for spelling :P

Some really odd complaints here. Some men just seem to want to have a guy with a vagina as a partner. That can be arranged for you know.

i second that.....

i can deal with all the other little issues, but fucking headgames takes the lead in this catagory.

Its been said already but again, say what you feel! If something is wrong, tell me. I hate it when there is obviously a problem and I ask and get "No, nothings wrong I'm fine." then three days later you finally tell me why you are pissed that I did or didn't do X thing. For crying out loud if I had known three days ago maybe we could have worked it out and saved ourselves three days of "mystery misery"! Also, when we are supposed to leave at 7:00 I like to LEAVE AT 7:00! Not all women do this but I've been with my fair share that believe 7:00 means 7:30. I also like to plan my excursions and go from point A to point B, don't wait until we are on the way somewhere to tell me "Oh, we need to stop by the bank and go by the shop and etc etc." Here's another, Don't make me initiate sex all the time. I can't read your mind and if you don't let me know you're in the mood I might choose to watch Robocop instead of going beggin' fer some lovin' I might not get! Yet another, Don't make plans for me without telling me or assume that because you enjoy something I will too. Example: I come home from a hard days work and I hear "You need to get ready I told Jan and Mike we would come over for dinner" Great. I'm exhausted and now get to make unexpected chit chat when all I want to do is collapse. Or "I told the group we'd love to go camping and canoeing this weekend, we'll have to leave early Saturday! It'll be so fun! NO it won't. And at last, I know its hard but try to get over the bad self image/weight thing and don't put ME in a bad spot. Example: You say you are fat. I say no, I love you and you are beautiful. You then say "No I'm not, I'm fat!" I say "Sweetie, I think you are gorgeous!" You say "Look at me! How can you say I"m not a fat pig!" I finally tire of this and say "Look, Honey I think you are beautiful, maybe you could lose a few pounds but you are fine to me. You then burst out crying and say "I KNEW you thought I was a pig!" If you don't want an eventual honest answer then leave it alone. When you poke the tiger long enough and get a reasonable honest answer don't blow it out of proportion. Also, more blow jobs.

Whew.... that felt great.

I cannot guess what you are thinking. If I could then we would have won lotto at least 5 times by now.

I don't meet enough of them.

Oh, and "nasty-smelling pussy". Don't like that either. Good smelling pussy means "scentless" in my experience. Only met one of those, and I blew it... as it were.

Tell us what's bothering you....we can tell if there's a problem, but we are really shitty at guessing.

If something someone else did makes you angry, don't transfer it on us. Don't say "I'm mad at you", act angry at us, and then tell us that your boss yelled at you at work 24 hours later. We will comfort you if we know what happened.

Understand that guys like to fix problems. If you only are looking for sympathy for something that can be fixed or corrected, don't get mad at us for the lack of sympathy. Talk to your mother or girlfriends if that's what you need.

Make a decision and stick to it.
Friday: "let's go bowling tomorrow".
Saturday: " I don't want to go bowling. What do you want to do?"
"How about a movie?"
"Nah."
"How about the beach?"
"Naaah."
"How about dinner? Dancing? See a band? Ice skating? Milking a cow?"
"No. No. No. Maybe...well, no."
Two hours after arguing and getting angry, we go bowling and she has a great time!
AAAAHHHHHHHGGGGGGGGGG!

We love you and we just want to make you happy! It's more important than our own happiness!

When we are quiet we are not contemplating our relationship or love for you. We are concerned about men stuff like needing an engine overhaul or that basket we missed in the YMCA finals.

Thanks for letting me rant.

Oh, and I don't like how some of them don't return PMs. But I'll live. :)

^^ Hahaha I was like "return PMS? I don't get it....does he want her to be really nice after her period?"

But...PMs...private messages...I got it now ;)

Bwaahahahaahahahaha. That was the best punch line, ever! Oh my chest hurts from laughing.

Glad someone got that as a punchline. Though really, you can never get too many....

After reading this thread I am more opt to take a stroll down the local red light district than a relationship.

HER DIARY: Sunday night I thought he was acting weird. We had made plans to meet at a bar to have a drink. I was shopping with my friends all day long, so I thought he was upset at the fact that I was a bit late, but he made no comment. Conversation wasn't flowing so I suggested that we go somewhere quiet so we could talk, he agreed but he kept quiet and aloof. I asked him what was wrong -- he said, "Nothing." I asked him if it was my fault that he was upset. He said it had nothing to do with me and not to worry. On the way home I told him that I loved him, he simply smiled and kept driving. I can't explain his behavior; I don't know why he didn't say, "I love you, too." When we got home I felt as if I had lost him, as if he wanted nothing to do with me anymore. He just sat there and watched TV; he seemed distant and vacant. Finally I decided to go to bed. About 10 minutes later he came to bed and to my surprise he responded to my caress and we made love, but I still felt that his thoughts were somewhere else. I decided that I could not take it anymore, so I decided to confront him with the situation but he had fallen asleep. I started crying and cried, until I also fell asleep. I don't know what to do. I'm almost sure that his thoughts are with someone else. My life is a disaster.

HIS DIARY: Today the Lakers lost, but at least I got laid.

lmfao!!!

Being told someone doesnt want to date you because you are too nice always sucks.

But maybe THEY are just being nice and not telling me the real reason is that Im a fat pig or a 26 year old adolscent...

If ya don't like me....don't talk to me or try to make me feel wanted. I don't need chariety!. Speak your mind. I am not made of glass or china, I can handle what you have to say. Don't try to change me. What you see is what you get. I am a little rough around the edges, so don't try to polish me up. God made me this way for a reason. If I feel like kickin ass and takin names, stand the fuck back. And please stop trying to get me to like your friends boyfriends.....arrggg. And finally, if you have insecurities, I will help you work them out. Don't panic or lose your sex drive over crazy minor details. Nuff!

We're not mindreaders!

no i do not really want to talk to you're best friend from third grade who is on the phone, no really i'm not trying to be rude, i just don' t particularly have any desire to talk to one of your friends that i have never even met.

Heres my favorite things that I read.

Hmm... I don't really mind most of the stuff people put.




Thats a good thing if they were all vain and thinking they were hot shit you'd bitch about that. They're also not as insecure as you might think, because moddesty which is a virtue as well as complement fishing are involved.

+ "sometimes you can break into girls that arn't in your league if they're insecure about themselves"
Same as mind games kinda?
Periods and moodswings are fine usually unelss i'm in a bad mood and my tolerance for something like that is down but for the most part not to bad.
I'd take offence to that to. I should be able to dress in a sexy way, and not be oggled. Staring at someone is rude regardless of how they're dressed if you're dressed that way you might want to give people some slack, but thats judging a book by its cover plain and simple. Now if somebody came up to you when you're not in conversation and told you that you have a very sexy look going on and then bid you goodnight then you would have no room to complain in my book. If your an attention whore though and complain about it when you relish in it fuck that.
Ok that one does suck. I'm willing to compromise though couldn't you cut the time down by about 50% if I did something nice for you?
Mindgames are fun if you ask me. How hard is it really to figure out what a girl is thinking. ( Maybe i'm wrong )
Amen

One thing mentioned that does piss me off is not being able to ask for a blow job without it being offensive

Yip. Couldn't have put it better myself.
Very well put Prince.

and...


M: "I do really love you... Now tell me what is wrong or get over it."

Hit the nail right on the head. That stuff disgusts me to no end. Nothing is more unattractive than to hear someone constantly complain "ooh I'm fat/ugly/blah blah" when you so fucking ARE NOT.

Even if you were, who gives a shit? You're taken. Enjoy the fact that someone loves you for who you are. I think they do it for attention or something, but any girl who pulls that shit in front of me gets instant minus points and DOESN'T get complimented. I'd probably respond with, "Yeah, you're right." Don't glare at me either, you're the one who said it. I just agreed.

Jealousy is annoying.

They can make out with another female, but you can't?! Hypocrisy! ;)

The unnecessarily strict sex "rules". Sex is sex. It's fun, but outside of that, it's natural and it really isn't as special as you think. Therefore, be more open minded about it. For example, if you see a guy you'd like to have sex with, have a blast. Just realize that if ya do, I get to have sex with a female of my choosing!

I don't like it when they post on threads meant for guys...oops

I hate mind games. They are for insecure people. Insecure people are always trying to prove something. Frankly, the rest of us, don't care.

Say what you mean, mean what you say.
Do what you say, and say what you did.

Baggage also bugs me. I am not the last 10 guys you dated. If you've given up on men, please tell me in advance so I don't waste my time.

If one or two or eight guys break your heart, I don't really care. Cold? Not at all. I wasn't there to help, or dispense advice, and I can't invent a time machine so I can go back and tell you that you have made a wrong choice. And if I could, I'd get my ass kicked! :)

So seriously, if you've had some bad relationships, don't put me in the posistion to redeem my gender.

But baggage goes both ways. My roomate is a male, and he's only had one serious relationship. He has more baggage than any given female I've ever met, and I've met some dooseys. He's pretty fucked up in the head. So I'm only trying to prove my point. Generalizing a gender based on YOUR own personal history is bullshit and you should get over it.

Cut out the middle man, BE YOURSELF.

If I could engrave one thing in the minds of all women everywhere it would be the following:

Everything that has happened to you, has molded you into the person you are today. And whether you like it or not, you can not change it. Your history changes how you think, how you act, and who you choose to be. And who you choose to be, you should be happy with.

I have plenty, but I'd like to concentrate on these two, as mentioned by Prince.

Phone? Well, that isn't what I have a problem with... it is the cellphone. GET OFF THE FUCKING CELLPHONE, WOMEN! Stop making and taking calls while at the dinner table, in class, at work... it drives me mad! I didn't come here to watch you talk on the fucking cellphone! Be polite for at least one minute of your life and drop the fucking phone!

Oh. This pisses me off. Guys, believe it or not, women can be complete and utter slobs... a couple of college dorm rooms I've seen were pigstys of the worst degree. But the same girls who lived in those rooms would call my room a mess. Go figure. They are ultra-critical of every mess except the ones they make... and think it is acceptable to do so.

Quoted for truth. I've also seen those dorm rooms, and women can be huge slobs.

Also, when I worked as a dishwasher I had the wonderful job of cleaning the bathrooms at the end of the night, and without exception, the women's bathroom was much more dirty than the men's.

One thing I have to ask is, what the fuck do you do with those little one square inch pieces of toilet paper? I used to find those little pieces all over the place in the bathrooms..

right-o!

My addition:
I will assume nothing is wrong if you say, "Nothing is wrong"!

I'm an R.A. and can attest to this. Often, the girls rooms are much worse thna the guys rooms.

I hate girls that 'lead guys on' when the guy is attracted to the girl. If you want to go out with the guy, ok fine, act on it. but if you have no intention of going out with him, let him know so he doesnt waste his time trying really hard. I know so many guys who chase after a girl who gives mixed signals just because she likes the attention, not because she wants to spend time with them... it makes me sick

I hate when you wake up between two women, and they start to fight about which one is going to get up and make breakfast, and which one is going to stay in bed and give you a hummer.

Ladies... take turns. There's no reason to fight.

While too much make-up can make them look trashy just the right amount will make women look better. Take black eyeliner for example - if I see a girl with that on, I am sold!

with most of the bases already covered, i must say that women say alot of dumb things.... my least favorite is "am i fat?" .... ladies: if you think you are fat then you probably are so dont ask us... if we tell the truth you get mad and sometimes go a little nuts ... if we lie it's because we are despirate for head and don't want to blow our chances.

ALL THE DRAMA.

Sorry, I'm not a boy, but I felt I needed to add my two cents.

girls who only date older guys

Dude, you obviously don't know many women because nearly every girl I konw is concerned about her weight. The funny thing is, the one girl who's not is the chubbiest of us all, but she's just accepted it and comfterble with her body.
...and most people I know won't say "Am I fat?" to someone they hardly know...so if you're desperate enough to get into a relationship with someone just for the head...well, that's bad.



I have to agree with this sentiment.

No offense trisk, but i think he was being sarcastic when he said that.

My life as a single guy in a nutshell. I've been married for a while now, and I still have issues with this stuff that happened to me so long ago. Sometimes I want to find every girl who ever did this to me and give them a piece of my mind.

Sorry...just part of my therapy.

The most annoying thing about my girlfriend is how insecure about her looks she is. She's beautiful, but you wouldn't believe me if you spoke to her on the phone.

The vicious backstabbing. I've never heard guys rip others to shreds like women do. I don't many sexist generalizations, but I stand by this one.

If they didn't have that thing between their legs I wouldn't even talk to them............ever.
There's a line in a Led Zepplin song; "the soul of a woman was created below", and that pretty much describes them, there all flippin evil, back stabbing, revenge planning, abortion rationalizing selfish-self-centered baby murdere's.

Not all fit this description, but this should roughly discribe a fair portion.

I did not create this thread so you could bash women. Can the attitude or I can the thread.

rudezilla: You won't last long here if you insult another member like that. I don't care if you're joking or not.

The one thing that bothers me most with women is that they're never in the mood for sex when you are... and even when they're in the mood for sex they require so much foreplay time that you end up losing interest in sex by the time they're warmed up and ready to go.

The whole conflict is there because men are ALWAYS in the mood for sex. So we think they are abnormal while they think that us men are abnormal.

No problem, i just felt that needed pointing out because only someone who didn't read the post right or is extremely thickheaded could think that you were actually being serious there (this is not gender-specific considering both sides say stupid things, before you jump on me here).

I'm not always in the mood for sex.

:hmm:
i didn't know that a thread with such a masculine topic would come with all the sensitivity ... i'll remove myself from this thread

I like this one.

My love for my partner doesn't change when I'm having a bad day, or when she does something that irritates me, or even if we get into an argument. It's not that dynamic, I guess you could say. My love for her is a constant thing, despite arguments or temporary feelings during an argument, that love is still there.

1. Mindgames. This has already been covered many times.
2. Gossip. It's been covered.
3. Fickle. Covered
4. Double standards. This is the big one for me. If she's upset I have to comfort her. If I'M upset, she not only doesn't comfort me, but feels the need to bitch at me for wanting to relax instead of listening to her.
5. Over-analyzation. I'm sure this was covered.

good point, ^^^

one thing i think i should add that ive noticed is girls complain about something before considering the alternatives. which makes for lose lose situations,

ie: girl and guy are getting randy for the first time together, and the guy pulls out a new bottle of lube. The girl immediately start attacking said guy. basically she interpreted it as he was so confident in getting her into bed that he went out and got a bottle of lube. but what about the alternative?

what if he whipped out a half used bottle, would that be more attractive? just think about it.

Hmm looks like I was flamed but it was deleted.

Too bad I didn't get to see what was said.

I guess I read the post wrong but without emotes it's hard to tell what people mean online. There are people on this site and others who would say things like that in all seriousness.

Anyway, I figured it was okay to point something out here considering I got completely bashed in the "girls what bothers you the most about guys" thread.

1. Mind games - I think they teach manipulation and man belittlement in those teen girl lifestyle magazines;

2. Too much makeup - Women look more attractive when they're not covering anything up, so to speak;

3. The annoying way the nice girls choose assholes for boyfriends, let them smack them about or cheat on them or treat them like sh*t and then go back to them again and again while telling us nice guys "you're too nice for me..." etc.

Sorry if these have been listed before but i didn't have time to read aaaall the posts.

you know how hateful and horrible we are? there were four threads.. the other two were "what do you love most about guys/girls" yet only the *bothers you most* ones were brought back.. lol

the endless double standard they all seem to have. the way they want you to make over them and pour compliments over them night and day and dont make any effort to do the same in return. the way they all seem to have lost the ability to raise children, cook, and heaven forbid, clean a house.

The worst thing for me is how vague they are when they want to express themselves. Sorry ladies, we ain't mind readers, tell us what's bothering you. Women with inferiority complexes are a real turn-off. If you don't first love yourself, noone else can or will. If you need the approval of a man to feel validated, get some counseling...quick. Learn to appreciate a man's need to be alone sometimes. Don't ask us what's wrong all the time, if we need you, we'll tell you. Lastly, don't sweat the small stuff, life is way too short.

1) Mind games - Tricking, trapping, and otherwise underhandedly getting us to do your evil bidding is not a very nice thing to do.

2) Saying one thing and meaning another - Jesus, I get sick and tired of asking "now is that an ACTUAL yes or a GUILTY yes"

I'd add more but im too tired, its time for a nice nap

if you took the time to read holo's response on that thread, he was not attacking or bashing you, he was simply responding to your post (albeit aggressively). stop taking the posts here out of context and lighten up.

After reading the girl's version of this topic, I have two to add.

6. YOU AREN'T A SUPER SLEUTH. They seem to think that they have us all figured out, but don't seem to realize that they know what we want because we tell them what we want. I've never "dropped a hint" in my life. I can guarantee you that if we did that the girl would have know clue what we were talking about.

7. "If you're ugly and you approach me I'm going to be offended" isn't a dating tip.

I'm 100% behind pretty much what everyone said Re: mind games, gossip, drama, mind reading, and so on. I would like to add one.

Being friends. If I approach a lady in a bar or wherever, get mixed signals (or just read her her wrong, very possible) and it later develops that she just wants to be friends, I'd prefer she not be offended if I don't want to be friends. And then just kind of lose contact with her. I can understand- this usually happens when I'm aiming high on the "looks ladder." If she's a reasonably good looking girl, she probably thinks that 90% of guys approaching her since her breasts started to come in was just trying to get in her pants (she's wrong- 99.9% is probably closer).

I'm an OK looking guy (babies don't cry when I enter the room anyway), I have a Masters degree in engineering, and am starting out in the entrepreneur path. I can see why, to such a girl, having a nice, decent, ambitious, steadily-employed guy interested in her platonically could be enormously validating. However, I already have what I consider to be plenty of friends. Some of them are girls. While there's some upside in a friendship for her, there's none for me. All I can possibly gain is continued proximity to something I desire and can't have, while getting to hear all about how her current boyfriend doesn't pay enough attention, yells at her, and so on.

Also, I didn't misrepresent myself. When I stepped up to her, I was clear that I was looking for more than friendship (the whole deal, not just sex). Since she doesn't want that with me, then let's both stop wasting time, shake hands, and move on.

Not to say that this has happened to me often, but it's happened before, and I get the feeling it's about to happen again with my most recent ex-romantic interest.

Um...if you took the time to read the thread you'd know that I read and responded to everything Holo wrote. Holo was very curteous in all his responses, which is more that I can say for you and rudezilla (and certain other people in that thread who did get kind of pissed off at me).

I don't know why you guys are getting on my case so much. All I did is point out that most girls are insecure about their weight, whether they're 90 pounds or 390 pounds.

The quote you took from me was simply a response to rudezilla's:
"i didn't know that a thread with such a masculine topic would come with all the sensitivity ... i'll remove myself from this thread"

Perhaps bashing was the wrong word to use there but I thought I'd mention that femenine topics bring up sensitivity too.


I'm going to stop with this pointless, stupid bickering now and find some more threads to misinterpret :rolleyes:

One thing that really bothers me is their technological ineptitude. I'm getting pretty tired of teaching my girfriend how to use the VCR remote. Once or twice is ok, but every time she comes over it's, "Hey, the remote's broken!".

And just this week...

Her: My mouse stopped working. How do I shut down?
Me: Press the Windows button on your keyboard and...
Her: How do I do that?

OK, I'm married and haven't dated for a while, but... "mind games"? C'mon, the fact that (most) women have different communication styles from (most) men is old news. Buy a book or something... learn to adapt. It isn't that difficult.

One of my last girlfriend's thoughts: "If he doesn't send me copious amounts of cards, mail, IMs, emails, flowers, and compliments everyday, that means he doesn't like me."

Is this a result of years of conditioning from romance novels/movies, or is it rooted in self-esteem issues? Someone please tell me.

I wanted to throw up when she would talk about real-life romantic scenarios that she heard/read about and silently expected from me without outright saying it. If you are waiting for these outrageous gestures in order for you to fall in love, you might find your life disappointing. I'm not punished you, that's just how I roll.

I hate the Quote thing, when they repeat things you said in the past and try to use them against you even if it's from years ago and taken out of context.

It's even happened to me in this forum. It makes me weepy.

Why can't we just get along? Give peace a chance. Free Willy.

what bothers me most is that good-looking women often assume that they're also smart and funny because men are nice to them in order to get into their pants.