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Halx 04-29-2003 11:05 PM

Report: Premature Ejaculation, Lasting Longer, Research.
 
(A Gonsalves)

This is my unedited report on Male Orgasm-Phase Difficulties and Premature Ejaculation. The research was done for my Human Sexuality course, so I figure it's good enough to share with all of you. Within are various ways to overcome premature ejaculation and a few myths disspelled. I believe there are too many bad ideas floating around the public - many rumors need to be straightened out, so education is the first priority. Please read up and digest.



Rapid ejaculation, retarded ejaculation, premature ejaculation: all names for the same sexual disorder. What that disorder is exactly has been several different ways in the past. From when a male is not able to withstand 30 seconds of intravaginal contact before he climaxes, to when he simply cannot last as long as he means to. The more endearing and comprehensive definition for this disorder comes to this: When either partner is dissatisfied with how quickly the man ejaculates, that is a problem. (Marilyn K. Volker, Ed.D., 1998) Definition of the issue is the least to worry about, though, when it comes to premature ejaculation, there are several causes and thankfully several solutions to this confidence-draining occurrence.

The causes of premature ejaculation can be anywhere from fear of women, to simply not paying attention. While a common piece of amateur advice given to men who suffer from jumping the gun is to think about other non-sexual things, that is actually the first step toward 'rapid deployment'. Nature has us wired to thrust in a way that brings us toward orgasm, so if we go on automatic pilot, we're going to come. (Robert Birch, Ph.D., 1998) Some men were born with a hypersensitivity to sex, where the slightest stimulation will set off their orgasm response and they ejaculate. Biologically, in fact, rapid ejaculation is standard among mammals. It's survival of the species; males need to plant their seeds efficiently. (Steve Manley, Ph.D., 1998) This is wishful thinking that the speed of ejaculation is somehow related to masculinity, though. The dog, for example, ejaculates very quickly. He also chases cars, drinks from puddles, and dies at the age of twelve.

There are three different types of methods to overcome premature ejaculation: The good, the bad, and the ridiculous. As mentioned before, thinking of something non-sexual or disgusting is not only ineffective, it could cause loss of erection, which could be even more embarrassing, and it negates the fun associated with sex, which is probably the reason why you're doing it in the first place. The start and stop method of resistance training through the act of masturbating to just before the point of ejaculation and stopping long enough to regain composure, then starting again has been said to condition the male partner to last longer, though aside from acquainting the male to the feeling of being left high and dry, it does not do much else. Another ridiculous method is for the couple to lie next to each other naked, facing away from each other, not thinking about sex, and avoiding all sexual contact. This is to supposedly calm down the over-excitable male who tends toward prematurity. For the couple that has to contend with premature ejaculation in the first place, they tend toward this sort of activity most of the time anyhow.

Better methods of preventing premature ejaculation deal with reducing the sensations felt between the penis and the vagina. The easiest way to do this is for the man to wear two condoms. The extra layers of latex are sure to dull most of the sensations felt during intercourse and give him the sensation of making love to a rubber glove. Simply putting the penis to sleep can effectively dull the normally intense sensations of lovemaking. There are ointments available for men that are called desensitizers, or benzocaine, which is a local anesthetic that numbs the sensory receptors of the penis. While this method is meant to merely delay orgasm, it may end up circumventing orgasm completely for the night. Also, some men may be allergic to benzocaine and can break out in red, oozing, itching blisters. That kind of reaction will definitely delay ejaculation. (David Reuben MD, 1969)

Not long after it's inception, the drug Prozac became recognized not only for it's mood-improving advantages, but also for one of it's interesting side effects: it seemed to delay orgasm. Today, the class of drugs that Prozac belongs to, SSRIs (selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors) have become the latest chemical treatment option for rapid ejaculation, especially among men for whom premature ejaculation seems to be a psychological problem. (Stephen C. George, K. Winston Caine, 1998) A study was done in which 60 men who were unable to sustain intercourse for longer than 30 seconds were given SSRIs. Virtually all of them were able to stay in the saddle for 6 minutes or more. Of patients treated with these drugs, 10 percent need to take them indefinitely, while 90 percent only need to take them intermittently when they are going to be having sex. (Roger T. Crenshaw, M.D., 1995)

Three more methods of preventing premature ejaculation should be taken at face-value. A variation of the start-stop technique called the squeeze method is where his partner grips the penis just below the head and squeezes firmly: After this sudden turn off, stimulation can slowly begin again. While it shouldn't be painful, it is very easy to misperform this act and cause one's partner some unforgettable pain. (Masters & Johnson) Training your PC (pubococcygeal) muscles is another way to shut off your orgasm right before it happens. The PC muscles are located in your pelvic region and they control the flow of urine. Doing exercises called Kegels will build up these muscles to the point where you can hold off ejaculation by flexing them before you reach the point of no return. Another variation of the start-stop method is to simply change positions often. Stopping and changing the pressure of stimulation will allow you to extend your running time by resetting your stimulation every time you change. (Robert Birch, Ph.D., 1998)

The best solutions to rapid ejaculation, however, do not rely on gimmicks or chemicals. Goal-oriented psychotherapy with a good psychiatrist is enough to overcome the giant hurdle of sexual endurance deficiency. (David Reuben MD, 1969) Sometimes, even spending hundreds of dollars isn't necessary. Maintaining a mantra to be chanted to yourself in an empathetic and determined way has a favorable chance of convincing yourself to withhold your orgasm until you are ready. An example of a common mantra is, "I will not spill my milk! I don't want to spill my milk! I am not going to spill any milk!"

Other orgasm-phase difficulties for men include retrograde ejaculation and outright ejaculatory failure. During retrograde ejaculation, semen is not ejaculated, but rather travels in the opposite direction into the bladder. This condition is caused by failure of the valve that shuts off the urinary passage during sexual activity. It is difficult, but not impossible for men with retrograde ejaculation to impregnate a woman. Sometimes methods of filtering out the sperm from the man's urine and then artificially inseminating the woman are necessary though. This technique has been proven effective, but since retrograde ejaculation is not a health-threatening condition, no pharmaceutical or surgical therapies have been developed for it. (George Ryan, 1997)

Ejaculatory failure, or P-A (psychogenic aspermia), occurs when everything works right: erection, stimulation and pleasure, but the orgasm never comes. Though there are many speculations as to the cause of P-A, it is largely thought of as a psychological condition and that it is treatable through psychotherapy. (David Reuben MD, 1969)



Afterwards: I recommend for both men and women to research 'Kegels' and entertain the idea of using those rituals to extend control over their body during sex. It works for both boys and girls.

cheese 04-29-2003 11:10 PM

single handledly the longest plain text post i have ever read,
thnx hal

Antagony 04-29-2003 11:21 PM

Rockin'. Way to set everyone straight and give us some education to boot.

I don't want to spill my milk. I won't spill my milk.

Golux 04-29-2003 11:24 PM

Thank you for the informative post! Where can I find information regarding Kegels exercises?

ARTelevision 04-30-2003 03:55 AM

Great one Hal!

HQI (High Quality Info)

yes, this is our responsibility - as guys.
thanks.

tealc 04-30-2003 04:31 AM

Very nice paper Hal(x).

Halx 04-30-2003 01:46 PM

Glad people appreciate it.

rsl12 04-30-2003 01:54 PM

i like the humor hal. and most of the points sound like good advice. but you should clarify one point--wearing two condoms is a VERY BAD IDEA, because two condoms rubbing next to each other are much more likely to break than a single condom.

kenshee 04-30-2003 06:18 PM

Read it all. Thanks Hal.

JoeyB 04-30-2003 06:23 PM

When will you find out what your grade is?

Leviathan[NCV] 05-01-2003 07:38 AM

Nice job Halx, would you mind posting some of your sources incase I decide to do a report on that subject when I take the class three quarters from now?


:)

Halx 05-01-2003 08:15 AM

just look up books by those doctors, lev :) I think David Reuben's book is "Everything you ever wanted to know about sex"

deportes 05-28-2003 04:59 PM

good info, prozac it is.

JStrider 05-28-2003 06:44 PM

Good informative read halx...

ive messed with excercizing the PC muscle... just dont think about it enough to do it regularly.... I'll try and work on it more... lasting longer is always a good thing...

destination mar 07-02-2003 03:18 PM

zoloft and you can drill it all night

Spooo 07-02-2003 04:33 PM

Nice report Hal,*click, add favorites* ill try them asap :)

blackdas 07-02-2003 07:24 PM

nice post :)

SaltPork 07-03-2003 06:31 AM

he he...you said ejaculation...

Sionide 07-03-2003 06:48 AM

Very interesting - Gonna do an essay on Kegels? *goes looking on google for more info* :P

suviko 07-03-2003 06:56 AM

The Prozac part was new to me. Hum. And now to figure out how to talk about it to a friend who believes "it's not that big of a problem if you just love your partner, right?" :)

rat 07-03-2003 08:58 PM

great information, thanks for the research. got any Kegels websites worth researching? I've been celibate for a long while now, and recently started sleeping with an old flame who doesn't want any accidents, so control is something I'd like to look into.

yabobo 07-05-2003 10:21 AM

Been maried 20 years sometimes I wish it would blow in 30 seconds, might save my back. Got the feeling that a stange puntang might cause that situation to pop up. Not that I'm hunting for any strange. It just seems when you know your partner and she knows you that you relax better. Time and practice makes it better. Besides take a Viagra or two then if the old cannon fires early you'll be back up in no time!!!!!!!!

rodimus 07-06-2003 07:31 PM

thanks for the info

sportsrule101 07-09-2003 07:41 AM

the wizard has spoken

motdakasha 07-09-2003 09:13 AM

Using two condoms is a bad idea because it'll rip and tear. Instead, there are extra-thick condoms out there which serve the same purpose. That's probably safer.

As for the essay, I think it's extremely well organized and well written. Kudos.

Kegels will ROO THE DAY!

arnie 07-09-2003 10:15 PM

hal; your a legend & many thanx on behalf of all us 2 strokes out there...

Tuffy_McGee 08-17-2003 11:19 PM

"In nature, male animals need to orgasm quickly before they are attacked and eaten by predators. It is humans who have considered it desirable to extend their pleasure and the pleasure of their partner(s)."

LOL. That's not right.

funbob 08-17-2003 11:32 PM

Very well written and full of information., Thanks :)

kofspades 08-18-2003 07:22 PM

good ideas

bermuDa 08-18-2003 08:17 PM

i believe the full title of Reuben's book is "Everything you wanted to know about sex*




*but were too afraid to ask"

nicely written, hal. that pretty much sums up what i've learned from a number of sources. it's nice to see all the information in one place.

analog 08-19-2003 11:54 PM

nicely put, much appreciated!

mastboy4 08-20-2003 09:22 AM

educational nice and long post

Thraeryn 08-20-2003 10:14 AM

Hmmmm. I wonder if some Kegel practice could help me break the two hour mark. . . .

*hunts for the AstroGlide*

HALDONIA 08-20-2003 10:38 AM

GOOD POST.QUITE INFORMATIVE.GOOD LUCK ON THE PAPER,IT'S GOOD

dimbulb 08-20-2003 11:34 AM

Quote:

The easiest way to do this is for the man to wear two condoms. The extra layers of latex are sure to dull most of the sensations felt during intercourse and give him the sensation of making love to a rubber glove.
Bad idea. This leads to a very good chance of the condom bursting due to friction.

slysithesupersp 09-27-2003 09:09 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by HALDONIA
GOOD POST.QUITE INFORMATIVE.GOOD LUCK ON THE PAPER,IT'S GOOD


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:)

nextlevel1 09-27-2003 09:28 PM

Thanks alot! Answered most of my questions . Very good essay! also Thanks motdakasha for the links on the kegel exercises!

darkallaround 09-27-2003 10:18 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by destination mar
zoloft and you can drill it all night
too much zoloft, and you wont WANT to drill at night

Andy 01-27-2004 08:18 AM

What about masturbation? Hurts or helps how long you last?

ubertuber 01-27-2004 10:33 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Halx
Also, some men may be allergic to benzocaine and can break out in red, oozing, itching blisters. That kind of reaction will definitely delay ejaculation. (David Reuben MD, 1969)
That has got to be the understatement of the day!

insidious_machinae 01-27-2004 10:51 AM

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PaulDenton 01-03-2005 09:45 PM

Men's Health magazine recently ran a story on premature ejaculation that I found quite interesting. Too interesting, really - it far too close to home for my tastes.

Here's the article:
http://www.menshealth.com/cda/articl...0-2023,00.html

Quite a bit of Halx' paper's topics also appeared in the article, so those familiar with this thread won't see much that is new and earth-shattering. The author did mention a book I plan to investigate; perhaps others will find it interesting, too: "How to Overcome Premature Ejaculation" by Helen Singer Kaplan, M.D., Ph.D. (ISBN: 0876305427)

Barnes & Noble has this and a number of other PE-related books, as well.

Off to do some homework...

HockeyGuy 01-04-2005 06:28 AM

Excellent post HAlx, very informative! tx, and hope the grade is good!

Ramallah 01-04-2005 09:34 AM

Don't think you think that wearing two condoms would remove all the fun from sex, just as thinking about something else would?

Vincentt 01-04-2005 01:23 PM

"Three more methods of preventing premature ejaculation should be taken at face-value "

I found that very amusing, even if it wasn't ment to be.

cavu 01-04-2005 04:42 PM

yeah wearing two condoms.... very bad idea! Good besides that.

doncalypso 01-04-2005 06:45 PM

I've been doing my Kegel exercises to strengthen my PC muscle more or less regularly, but it hasn't translated into much of an improvement in my sexual performance. However, when I started to workout on a regular basis I did gain a bit more control over my ejaculatory response.

DewMan 01-05-2005 10:08 AM

I have an interesting method.

Usually, when it happens to me, it's just because it's been a while and I'm so amped up, there's nothing that can stop it.

So, when faced with lemons, make lemonade I say.

The upside to this is that I'm usually so wired I can go 2-3 times, each time taking quite a bit longer than the last.

My personal record, when I was much younger, was a porn enhanced 6 times in a span of about 6 hours. My GF of the time (now my wife) fell asleep after my third trip to O-town. I wasn't tired and had a few more movies to watch.

:thumbsup:

Bauer_Power 01-07-2005 03:07 AM

Believe me when I tell you that masturbating at least twice that day before you have sex, coupled with a 12 pack of Miller High Life will take care of any and all premature ejaculation problems you may experience.

ironmaiden7o7 02-13-2005 08:51 PM

Hmm, you have no idea how much I just learned, great read. :-p

tman17m 03-05-2005 01:10 PM

okay...so ive read through this thread and im in serious need of help...ive tried a few of these methods but nothing is working it all....i bought desentizing condoms and tried them once. i didnt get off too soon, instead i got limp....so...i tried two condoms, that didnt work either. i masturbate a lot so i dont know if thats helping or hurting. this is a very frustrating problem for myself and my s/o becuase i cant get her off and she get mad and then i get upset becuase i feel like a failure.

doncalypso 03-05-2005 08:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tman17m
okay...so ive read through this thread and im in serious need of help...ive tried a few of these methods but nothing is working it all....i bought desentizing condoms and tried them once. i didnt get off too soon, instead i got limp....so...i tried two condoms, that didnt work either. i masturbate a lot so i dont know if thats helping or hurting. this is a very frustrating problem for myself and my s/o becuase i cant get her off and she get mad and then i get upset becuase i feel like a failure.


If you go to the gym and start doing regular cardiovascular workouts you will find that the level and quality of your ejaculatory and erectile control will improve. Also, you will have more stamina to recuperate and go for round #2.

Roark 03-06-2005 05:04 AM

Thank Hal very informative! I found for me the only time it ever happens is if she's on top (can only last usually 3-5 minutes if it's the first time for the evening, after that it's not a problem) other positions I can go forever.

Thank God for this forum and kagel exercises :)

tman17m 03-07-2005 04:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by doncalypso
If you go to the gym and start doing regular cardiovascular workouts you will find that the level and quality of your ejaculatory and erectile control will improve. Also, you will have more stamina to recuperate and go for round #2.

hmmm its unfortunate you say that because i run 10-15 miles a week spread out over 4 days and i lift weights the other 3...

03-10-2005 05:15 AM

i don't think it should even be that big a deal. you can orgasm more than once, and i don't think penetration is always so important to females anyways; it's not even the vaginal passage that is thier most sensitive sexual part, i think it's just a luxury to have the standard type of sex. i think a series of sexual things and different methods would pay off more for both partners anyways. if you know how to be romantic and feel open during sex i don't really think it matters how long you can last.

zinter 07-03-2005 09:34 AM

Premature ejaculation is defined as persistent or recurrent ejaculation with minimal sexual stimulation before, upon, or shortly after penetration. Retarded ejaculation is the oposite fenomenon, man ejaculates after a long time.

There are some hopes for PE. Studies show that Levitra may help sufferers. In 2006 FDA will approve the first drug aiming to treat PE, Dapoxetine with good results.

Retarded ejaculation is still a new frontier to break, until now no certain hopes.

HoneyPot 09-20-2005 12:15 PM

Hey Hal, great paper. Very informative. Structure was awesome, as well as the information. I really liked how you put some humor in there also. I knew about the PC thing, but didn't about Prozac. Very interesting. Let me know what kind of grade you get! :)

diggerg56 09-21-2005 04:59 PM

I was on a fairly stout does of Prozac for what turned out to be a mis-diagnosed psychological condition. The delaying effects were very noticable, however there were times I simply couldn't have an orgasm. While that may sound somewhat appealing it did turn out to be somewhat painful and frustrating.

If you're considering using Prozac or another SSRI type drug use caution. Too much of a good thing isn't necessarily a good thing, if you understand what I'm saying.

air45 09-23-2005 01:44 PM

i cum three time just looking at you post!!!

(ok, i am only joke.)

gilbert- 09-28-2005 03:52 AM

Top read Hal, cheers for the info.
Might I add that it was very well written, which makes reading it far easier :)

SpikeQX99 09-29-2005 09:39 PM

I wish I could spill my milk, I want to spill the milk, I must spill the milk..

Just a note: It's frustrating the other way around too. To not be able to have an orgasm with a partner.

shine_t 02-05-2007 11:28 PM

great post but tell me...
two condoms sounds tight and painful

Mike_Anderson 03-08-2007 01:06 PM

An interesting read. I have differing thoughts regarding the affirmations, "I don't want to spill my milk." When you say this your subconscious mind picks up, "...spill my milk!" That is very disempowering. Use positive, powerful words like, "I am an amazing love and I control my ejaculation easily and effortlessly!"

This WILL produce a huge difference.

If you want to find out how I cured my Premature Ejaculation problem go to www.premature-ejaculation-solution.com

Enjoy and I hope you found this useful.

macmara 06-15-2007 11:44 AM

Next link- premature ejaculation: http://www.help4men.com

SSJTWIZTA 01-27-2008 09:59 PM

Big, big help, Halx. i love that magnificent brain of yours.

I've been doing PC exercises for a while now, but just the other day i read that they were actually bad for a PE problem. I would like some clarification on this from someone.

I think ill take dons advice with the cardio thing. i do push up, stretch out, and lift weights. But as far as cardio goes, nothing. actually i just pretty much sit around all day and smoke when im not working. so i definitely need to work on this.

maybe my problem is psychological. maybe i just need more confidence. i dont know.

biznatch 02-12-2009 08:42 AM

Was about to say something about the two condoms, because recommending that in a medical-ish paper can't be good. I mean, it'd be fine with a couple who's ready or doesn't care if they have children, or women on BC. But still, a warning parentheses wouldn't hurt.

Other than that, a good read. I liked the funny bits; sex can often turn into something funny.
-----Added 12/2/2009 at 11 : 45 : 54-----
Quote:

Originally Posted by nuggyboy (Post 2594537)
Hello everyone,

Just a quick post to say that many of the problems mentioned above can be approached from a different point of view which is better illustrated at the following blog.

This blog seems to focus more on the Premature Ejaculation that occurs as a result of psychological conditioning and performance anxiety, as well as other mental conditions as opposed to physical conditions.

Take a look at this blog at least for the free techniques that it offers, as well as the free ebooks given away on some of the posts. There are 3 paid products which are advertised at the top of the blog, but the free techniques and free ebooks can be found in the posts following these first few advertisement posts.

It is worth taking a look at, it helped me as a PE sufferer to understand that my problem was created by a psychological self conditioning that I was able to manipulate once I could recognize it. Powerful stuff and very easy to understand, this blog is a worthwhile resource for anyone suffering PE!

Don't advertise for your blog here, please. It's like people coming to your house and trying to sell you crap, it's annoying.

Iliftrocks 02-12-2009 12:04 PM

Yeah, I was on Paxil for a short time. I would last pretty long, but the truth was I didn't care one way or the other.....

Plan9 02-12-2009 03:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Iliftrocks (Post 2594780)
I would last pretty long, but the truth was I didn't care one way or the other.....

Hah, you mean like a college girl?

ASU2003 02-12-2009 04:29 PM

If I were on a SSRI and took Viagra, I could go all night. Actually, I would get exhausted before my penis would be done.


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