Define a "real woman".

I'm a geek, but not a misogynist and I've been with real women. What made them real women was that they were honest and didn't play games.

In MY opinion it's not a case of sexuality or liberation or feminism; it's a question of civility. Saying this, I'm not a woman, but my mentality isn't to take the reigns sexually or in anything in my relationship with my "consenting" fiancee. And I don't think it is a man's devine right to do so. Nor do I think it's a case of man vs. woman.

You are manipulating him. Plain and simple. If I were doing it then it would be manipulating. It is what it is.

And I know that this has been said already but I would love to repeat it.

Consent is when both parties are completely in the know when it comes to said situation. And the fact that you leave men oblivious to it makes it a mind game.

And I say again, a little firmer, not cool.

And just adding and stealing the direction a bit. This is the second thread i've read in two days that have rookies feverishly defending themselves, as if we are enemies, or to use a term mentioned earlier but in a different context, preditors; waiting for you to slip so we can pounce on our rookie prey. This place, they say, is filled with people who have their minds closed tight. I disagree. I'll apologize if I seem uninviting. But you found a place made for those who do the exact opposite (most of the time ;)) You stumbled upon, or searched and found, a rare place in the world; something to be cherished. You found a place that is one mouse click away where you can discuss many issues, that may or may not mean a god damn thing to you, with people from all walks of life, with all different kinds of educational backgrounds, and home lives. You are blessed.

That said, stop whining. You have your opinion and we all have ours.

I think this statement becomes absolutely HILARIOUS when your first statement is that you are not intentionally trying to piss people off, followed by calling most of us 'misogynist geeks' and then following up with 'I imagine most of your girlfriends and wives control you and you all beg for sex!'

And this was meant to what; calm us down? personally my wife and I have a very healthy and FREQUENT sex life, we BOTH enjoy everything we do, and we don't hide things from each other. That is why we have lasted 10 YEARS so far, and are still happy. Oh, by the way, NEITHER ONE OF US CONTROL THINGS. We both share equally in the house, the kids, home duties, and our bedroom lives.

And just so you don't think I hate you or don't want you here, that is FAR from the truth. I'm a newbie too, and I always love hearing (reading?:rolleyes:) other peoples comments, even towards me. And everybody has a right to their own opinions. You too! Just don't expect everyone to agree with them, hell, many people don't agree with mine!:D
So this is to you......:icare:

to stay in my warcraft-mode: Quoted for Truth


I'm sorry, I can't seem to align my definition of 'real woman' with what you've posted here so far.

If you weren't before, now you *are* trolling.

Nice attempt at a parting Jab.

Part of the issue here is that as a man, we have likely dealt with a Girl like yourself on numerous occasions before. Once you admitted your manipulations you became a target for the collective frustration we men, and women to an extent, have dealt with in our Sexual lives. None of us can likely claim innocence in this regard, and most of us have played the game before....but few of us relish the inflicted pain, as you seem to project.
This forum is indeed enlightened sexually, as you can see from the many replys your thread created, but enlightenment also denotes understanding, and sometimes experience in matters relevant to your situation. If you wanted everyone to tell you how splendid your approach to this relationship is....perhaps you came to the wrong place for a pat on the back. If instead you are here to gain insight from multiple Lives, and differing experience patterns, you might take it all as constructive and LISTEN to the opinions.

Thats why most of us are here.

One thing that crossed my mind tho:

Do you actually enjoy sex?

*leans back with a sigh* That's a good example of how a troll works the thread.

I'm not sure what drives a troll really, never really felt that urge.. but I would imagine it is some kind of infantile need for attention from others, something in the lines of a child who begins to scream in the supermarket just because it can.

she just used sanctimony, that a pretty hard word for a supposedly hot girl. i dont think she's actually that hot; the only conclusion is that this tool she found must be butt fugly

hmm never mind. guess you are not that nerdy after all.. you might be cute then.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Oh Match, you're silly.

I hardly think that I could qualify as a misogynist geek.

I´m sorry I shouldn´t have said that, I know it´s not in the spirit of this forum to abuse people - though I didn´t direct it at anyone in particular. I was drunk from wine when I posted that.

Anyway, I think we´ve exhausted this topic. Can we agree to disagree? :confused: :thumbsup:

I'm in, this topic has gotten old really fast.. no use to try and wring something more out of it.

I'm enjoying this. If this were to be a game, FoxyLucy would be the winner.

Why?

She's got you guys up in arms and posting like mad. Shes got attention, and isn't that what sexual manipulation is all about? We're all twiddling her intellectual twat.

Unfortunately it isn't a real game. Too bad someone's livelihood is at stake and we have said all that we can.

Cheers, FoxyLucy. Continue with your discussion-spurring ideas and intentions, keep them within the rules of the forums, and have a nice day. I suggest complimenting this thread with a post regarding things more personal to you, so we can at least establish that you have some give, as opposed to all take. Tell us about yourself in more detail. Become a member, rather than a poster.

I've searched foxy's posting records. Everyone else should. I doubt it's even a girl, it's a troll account.

Please don't feed the troll.

doubt she's a troll. why would she waste her time coming and posting? probably just needs a boost in self-esteem through affirmation that her 'method' is correct, but instead got slammed by everyone..

Trolls don't just post once and leave, because the thread will die. He/she is just fanning the flame.

If this is not being selfish, then I don't know what is...

maybe he gets off on it.

If it is a girl, then it sounds to me like someone who has been emotionally or sexually abused as a young girl. Now that she is older she has a distorted view of relationships and just sees the sexual side, which in reality disgusts her. She attempts to use these games of hers as a form of therapy to get back at the men who did her harm and to build her self esteem. Her justification is that these are men who are old enough to walk away; when at the time some horrible things were happening to her she didn't have any choice. Of course, I could be entirely wrong. But then again, she never did admit to her "boyfriend" knowing that she was playing games. She also never admitted to caring for him after TWO YEARS. I say "boyfriend" because that status is, at least in my definition, reserved for someone you care about. It doesn't sound like she cares about him personally other than for what he can give her. She doesn't care about his integrity, she accords him no respect and she mocks him. Perhaps he is just a nice guy, but once he figures out her game she will probably have turned him into a mysoginist. A title that she claims to loathe. If she truly cared about the state of mysoginy then she would try to combat some of the reasons men despise women. One of them being this game she is playing. Not to mention her passive agressive behavior.

Oh, and I am a real woman. While I'm not a mysoginist, I sure as hell can understand why some men despise women for the games they play.

Personally I would not play these games unless I was willing to put out. Why? Because they turn me on and I love sex. I couldn't wait a month. Even a week.

But as I said, I could be wrong and you may just be a troll with a lot of time on their hands.

Or her parents are divorced and she hates men because of that. maybe her dad was really mean to her mom and her, or something.

Such speculation is completely pointless.

Man, this really was a relentless attack.

But, if a man posted something about how much a pimp he was, and talked about all the ways he plays girls, he would get the same response.

This is just a woman going on “My lumps” or “Bossy” image. Give me all your time and money, and you can get my ass, style.

Using sex to get stuff isn’t new at all; this girl is just doing it skillfully.



While I would argue that her boyfriend must be the type of guy that can’t get any other girls. If he could, then he might not put up with that kind of shit. But maybe he just got stuck on a girl who he couldn’t walk over, who knows.

If he gets fed up, he will leave.

I've just come back to this thread. Read all four (so far) pages. It all just reinforces what I first thought. I hope that it is not considered bad form to quote myself.
Lindy

*nods in agreement*


"Such speculation is completely pointless."

Yes, but still intriguing. I like to figure out how people work.

It's the knowledge that everyone but you is seeing something so dumb and taking it seriously. Making up a story to which you have no emotional connection and watching others get emotional about it. It's not always a need for attention, it can be amusement from the realization that people take themselves way too seriously. In this case, I think it's the attention thing, though.

you seem to know a troll all too well.. hmmmm.. HMMM :rolleyes:

Back when I was dating I had a 3 blue balls rule.

If you wanted to tease and not finish the job you get three strikes. After that its not worth the effort. It doesn't mean a woman would have to have sex right away with me, only that she wouldn't tease me and get me close without finishing. Blue balls fucking HURT.

I only had to invoke this rule once, and no regrets :)

I think I can safely say that such a relationship would be the antithesis of what I would be interested in.

I'm a geek! Do you think Garth Ennis is celebrating the macho hero archetype in Preacher, or using that as a framework to run a counterpoint to it just under the surface? I think it works on both levels, depending on what you bring to the work.

Misogynist, not so much. I tend to approach women's roles in society from a neo-feminist perspective, which is based on the idea that women should be free to choose the life that best suits them within the context of their abilities and circumstances.

I experience a real woman roughly 3-4 times a week on average.

Boy if that isn't the truth! Why just the other night, I was all dolled up in my French maid's outfit, and we . . . but that's a story for another time and place.

I am the sub in a D/s sexual relationship, which extends a little bit into our non-sexual emotional relationship. We are, however, equal partners. That may sound a little strange to someone not closely familiar with how D/s or BD relationships work. It's a partnership, in which both partners are fully aware of what is happening and why, and enter into it freely because it's a role that meets their sexual and emotional needs.

A true domme is just as concerned with her sub's needs and pleasures as she is her own. Manipulating someone else for your own personal benefit without concern for the other person's needs isn't being a domme, and it isn't a true D/s relationship. It's simply emotional abuse.

This is not meant as specific commentary on this specific case. I did, however, want to distinguish what is and is not a D/s relationship.

Gilda

Well said, Gilda.
Long term relationships founded on D/s actually support a great deal of intimacy and trust.

Conversely the OP is describing a consequence of distrust - the complete antithesis of such intimacy.

Even though you guys think its pointless to speculate, I would bet money that her dad was a spineless little man and her mom walked all over him. Thats where she attained her understanding of this social dynamic.

I used to be in a relationship like this. I got so fed up with it. I know the girl who has that "i hold out as long as possible to assert my power over him" attidue, I made out with her at a club but didnt want anything to do with dating her.

This is why I've had to learn to be extremely manipulative in persuit of sex, women like you taught me that you have to be able to out-mindfuck the other person.

Yeah, men do use women for sex, but men are the workhorses of society. Thats what these girls want. To keep the guy desperate long enough that he gets emotionally attatched to them. (the girl actually has a sociopathic lack of empathy to the guy and doesn't really understand what the emotional attatchment she is creating is, her experience of emotional attachment is owning sets of testicles) Then once hes emotionally attached she can fight the evil male oppression machine by using him to provide for her.

I've learned that because of the attitude that you have, the best way for a man to live is to swear off monogomy. It's really the only way a guy can protect himself from this kind of exploitation. If a girl starts giving me this crap, i just go fuck someone else. Thats what she gets.

You and I are alot alike. Teasing him and leaving him unsatisfied because you can is about the same as when I tell a girl that shes a worthless little cuntstain and make her live in a cage in my closet like the fucking animal she is. If she complains I kick her in the stomach and slap her little bitch face around. She must love the bruises I give her because If she wants to leave shes free to go at any time...

But one thing I wonder? Doesn't it turn you off that you have a bigger dick than your boyfriend? Wouldnt you be more turned on by a guy who can stand up to you? If there was trouble on the street would YOU be the one to protect your kitten-man? Of course I guess this is the typical dynamic where you keep him right on that sweetspot of just enough sex so he stays around and pays the bills and buys you stuff. You wait and after a while a real man comes along who acts like he doesn't even notice your looks to make you feel needy and inadequete. Then that guy fucks the shit out of you. Its good for us because your control addiction makes you way easy to identify and manipulate.

Wow! Are you, by any chance, a fan of Gor?

Gilda

Me?
Never checked it out, I guess I have to now...

your man is in a bad way! i am certain to be happy not to sex with you!

:D This is a display of human evolution in action. There is nothing wrong with what she's doing in a rational sense - unless of course the blatant use of sex as power throughout the media is something that is also worthy of such a stir.

My only concern is a lack of communication between you two. If he really doesn't know about how you truely feel, something deep and essential is missing in the relationship. If you're not communicating your desires most likely your relationship is bound to fail. & I wouldn't be concerned about sacrificing your position; Chances are he either enjoys or needs what it is the relationship gives him.

In addition, I have to wonder if you actually *love* him...? I've a more dominant personality myself and in my past relationships I've been told that I was often in disregard to my partners' feelings. I was unaware of this at the time, but I'm sometimes considered a coldhearted bitch. *Snickers* ;) I can identify with what it is you're doing but honestly the little mister ought to know a thing or two about who you truely are, because when you've got a man by his thang, you've power equivalent to the fire that burns within him. For the psychological (and possibly even physical) health of both of you, you are wise to express your true nature to him A.S.A.P. and that means very relatively soon. I have to wonder how long you two have been seeing one another... ???