If you were in Terri Schiavo's shoes, what would you want done? - Tilted Forum Project Discussion Community

Lebell · 03-21-2005, 09:38 PM

Seriously.

Drop the political party shit and answer the question honestly.

If a dozen or more doctors declared all your higher brain functions to be zilch, would you want to be kept alive as a vegatable?

I sure as hell wouldn't.

tecoyah · 03-21-2005, 09:41 PM

I would be dead......and would thus not care.

Dead is......Dead.

hannukah harry · 03-21-2005, 09:42 PM

if i'm not in a condition to pull my plug myself, then i want someone to pull it for me.

/double meaning?

Cynthetiq · 03-21-2005, 09:49 PM

this underlines how important it is to have your papers in order. We all don't want to think about these things, but it's important to have these directives in place. Had she had a living will all this would not be a question.

Health Care Directive

PULL IT!

MH73 · 03-21-2005, 09:50 PM

Pull the plug and then, come back as a ghost and slap my parents silly...

Bryndian_Dhai · 03-21-2005, 09:50 PM

I've already had long conversations with my hubby about this one, and I've got an appointment with an attorney to carve it in stone.

I absolutely, positively, do not ever want to be kept alive artificially. I'm ok with emergency CPR, and I'm ok with "heroic" measures to save my life, but if that life has to afterwards be maintained by a machine, I don't want any part of it.

I'm thinking very seriously of having a close friend, one whom I trust implicitly, to be the one who administers my living will... While I trust my husband, with my life and my death, I also know that times like these can sometimes cause the most even-keeled person to act selfishly in a moment of panic, rather than selflessly in the interests of the person whose life is at stake.

matthew330 · 03-21-2005, 10:05 PM

Seriously, nobody here can put themselves in Terry Schiavo's shoes, so i don't accept the validity of the question.

Have another poll. Seriously, would you personally remove her feeding tube?

Mojo_PeiPei · 03-21-2005, 10:11 PM

Yeah, no machines for me. Nothing extreme, I'll let nature take its course, especially in cases of Coma or brain damage, things like paraysis and wicked diseases like CP, Parkinsons, etc. scare me too.

Bryndian_Dhai · 03-21-2005, 10:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by matthew330

Have another poll. Seriously, would you personally remove her feeding tube?

That's easy. Yes. If I knew that's what she wanted, I could indeed remove her feeding tube personally, even knowing that it would absolutely mean her death.

martinguerre · 03-21-2005, 10:20 PM

gather my family, and friends who want to say goodbye. and pull the plug.

pan6467 · 03-21-2005, 10:26 PM

If I were in that situation, comatose, irreparable brain damage and no future but laying there I would prefer death.... however, breathing on my own and starving me is barbaric and I would hope the doctors would euthanize me.

That's me personally.

To turn this into a political issue is pathetic. So according to this party.... if I can't pay for healthcare then aw well, but if I am in a coma with no hope, my family has no right to pull the plug and they go bankrupt. Hmmmmm sounds like a winner to me.

matthew330 · 03-21-2005, 10:29 PM

"Yes. If I knew that's what she wanted, "

I'll ask again, would you remove her feeding tube?

hannukah harry · 03-21-2005, 10:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by matthew330

"Yes. If I knew that's what she wanted, "

I'll ask again, would you remove her feeding tube?

nope, i wouldn't. not until after i tried to find some way to end her life more humanely. but the right won't let us.

arch13 · 03-21-2005, 10:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by matthew330

"Yes. If I knew that's what she wanted, "

I'll ask again, would you remove her feeding tube?

Let's try flipping it around Matthew. If a loved one looked you in the eye once and said they did not wish to be kept alive after seeing this case on the news, and something was then to happen to this loved one that placed them in a vegatative state, could you pull out their feeding tube to honor their wish?

Bryndian_Dhai · 03-21-2005, 10:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by matthew330

"Yes. If I knew that's what she wanted, "

I'll ask again, would you remove her feeding tube?

I thought I answered that.

Yes. Yes. Yes. I would remove her feeding tube. As I hope and pray someone would remove mine should my wishes ever be ignored and my life sustained artificially.

nofnway · 03-21-2005, 10:50 PM

I'd like the tests to be run.....all of them. I can pay....

I'f I'm braindead...pull the plug or tube...else keep me alive.

Who knows what therapies may become available.

nofnway · 03-21-2005, 10:54 PM

Don't forget to drop the political party shit and answer Honestly

matthew330 · 03-21-2005, 10:56 PM

Let's try answering the question, then flip it around on me. I'm more than happy to answer yours, i know my answer. I'm not trying to back you into a corner. As sure as you are of yourselves, it should be a relatively easy question to answer, if it's not, why?. Your question is cake, i just won't oblige you if you won't do the same for me.

matthew330 · 03-21-2005, 10:57 PM

Bryan Dhai - how do you know "that's what she wants"? Are you privy to some info the rest of us aren't? You did say that's the only way you would do that.

Rdr4evr · 03-21-2005, 11:00 PM

pull the plug...i wouldn't want to live as a veggie or as a quadripalegic for that matter, and this is why i'm so grateful for being fully functional, anything on the level of said ailments...i'd rather die.

matthew330 · 03-21-2005, 11:06 PM

'RDR4EVR FOR PREZ!!"

matthew330 · 03-21-2005, 11:07 PM

"and this is why i'm so grateful for being fully functional"...

i'm confused.

Jeff · 03-21-2005, 11:11 PM

Pull the damned plug.

Jeff · 03-21-2005, 11:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by matthew330

"and this is why i'm so grateful for being fully functional"...

i'm confused.

About what?

Bryndian_Dhai · 03-21-2005, 11:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by matthew330

Bryan Dhai - how do you know "that's what she wants"? Are you privy to some info the rest of us aren't? You did say that's the only way you would do that.

I don't personally know that's what she wants. But (1) if I did, and (2) it were my place to make such a decision, then my answer would be yes, I could be responsible for her death by removing her feeding tube.

More specifically,

If you're asking whether or not as a healthcare provider, could I pull a feeding tube on Ms. Schiavo now, after all the controversy, then the answer is still yes.

As a married woman myself, and with several years of healthcare work behind me, I am reasonably comfortable with the assumption that her husband is far more likely to be aware of her wishes than her parents. I know very few people for whom talking about death and dying... especially their own death and dying... with their parents is not exceptionally difficult. Even when its the parents who are trying to discuss their own arrangements, its a difficult thing for parents and children to discuss between themselves. My own parents know my personal wishes, but that's because I'm perverse that way... I don't give a shit what causes them discomfort, the decisions about my body, my health, my life and my death are too important to leave it to them to decide.

I learned from one of the most amazing women I have ever had the honor of knowing, my hubby's stepmom, about how to live and die on my own terms, and how important it is to do that, and not accept any compromises. Rachel was an absolutely incredible person, and I still miss her dreadfully. But I wouldn't trade a second of the quality time we spent together during her last days for even a few more minutes if it meant that her wishes were being disregarded.

Willravel · 03-21-2005, 11:28 PM

Keep me alive as long as I can breath on my own, so long as I am not a burden to my family. I have arrangments already made out so my wife and parents don't butt heads (not as if they would have otherwise). I don't want anyone responsible for taking my life unless it is necessary. As someone who has been in a coma, I can tell you that the dreams and thoughts are there.

matthew330 · 03-21-2005, 11:28 PM

about Rdr4evr being fully functional.

Not to sound too insensitive, but i call bullshit when i see it. I'm sure your stepmom would be proud of you using her death to add validity to a internet argument. If you can't show me the parallel between "the most amazing woman you have ever met"'s death, and Terri's situation, than the comparison is inane.

MSD · 03-21-2005, 11:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by matthew330

Seriously, nobody here can put themselves in Terry Schiavo's shoes, so i don't accept the validity of the question.

Have another poll. Seriously, would you personally remove her feeding tube?

I would not, as I am not in a position to know what her wishes were. If I were in her husband's position, or her parents', as hard as it would be, and had never heard a word from her about the subject, I would not let a loved one who might as well be clinically dead continue to "live." I would not want my family to let me continue to live if I were in her situation.

A side note: I would like for everyone to please stop double-posting.

If you have to quote multiple posts, you can click 'quote,' copy the text, use the back buton, click 'quote' again, and paste the previous quote under the new one.

If you think of something to add before another person posts, please use the 'edit' button instead of posting again, especially for one-line posts. If anyone would like to edit their posts to consolidate them and blank out the others and leave a 'double-post' message, I'll be glad to clean them up for you.

alansmithee · 03-21-2005, 11:42 PM

I said keep me alive as long as possible, by whatever means possible. When they pull the plug, that's it. There is no coming back, so I want every option exercised. With my luck, they'd pull the plug on the day they find a cure for whatever I had

. So want to be kept alive until science can't keep me alive.

-----

And personally, I think the coverage this case has recieved to be mildly sickening. It seems politicians (from BOTH sides) will take whatever measures possible to avoid tackling real issues. All the handwringing and grandstanding seems really ghoulish.

Rdr4evr · 03-21-2005, 11:44 PM

sorry matthew...you lost me completely in both your posts. what was so hard to understand about what i said? i simply said if i were a vegetable, or even a quadriplegic for that matter, i would rather die. i also said i am grateful that i don't have any such ailments, and am thankful to be fully functional. what's hard to understand?

matthew330 · 03-21-2005, 11:49 PM

....that Rdr4evr is fully functioning.

Rdr4evr · 03-21-2005, 11:53 PM

is that your attempt at an insult? if so, i don't know why the need, or how it came about...but it's a rather sad attempt, try harder.

Bryndian_Dhai · 03-22-2005, 12:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by matthew330

Not to sound too insensitive, but i call bullshit when i see it. I'm sure your stepmom would be proud of you using her death to add validity to a internet argument. If you can't show me the parallel between "the most amazing woman you have ever met"'s death, and Terri's situation, than the comparison is inane.

Rachel's death is indeed parallel. She had emphysema, pulmonary hypertension, and lung cancer. She chose to live her life to the fullest without the aid of oxygen, and when the time came, she refused to be on a respirator or have a feeding tube inserted when her body filled so full of fluid she could no longer swallow very well... Her family (her sister and two brothers, all three of whom have the same diseases) fought her, and then us, tooth and nail over every single decision. We had to fight to have a respirator removed after she was hospitalized and her sister told the hospital that Rachel didn't have an advanced directive. Luckily for us, she did have one, and the hospital finally removed the respirator after verifying the document.

The only difference between Rachel and Terri is that Rachel had the foresight to put her wishes in writing.

And to make sure we're perfectly clear, she would indeed be very proud that her life... and death... had such a profound, positive effect on me.

cyrnel · 03-22-2005, 01:42 AM

Coma: Exhaust my funds waiting then pull the plug. Been there and it's a wild ride.
PVS: Exhaust my funds on tests & experimental cures. Then pull the plug.
Found on curb: Might just be passed out. Leave me bus fare & your email.

Edit: I'd also prefer a lethal injection. (weird to type that) Faster, possibly less painful, definitely less wasteful. But if it means legal delays then just pull the plug.

flstf · 03-22-2005, 03:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lebell

If a dozen or more doctors declared all your higher brain functions to be zilch, would you want to be kept alive as a vegatable?

From personal experience I know/believe that one can sometimes exist outside of the physical body. What I don't know is how tied down we are to our living body. I would fear that keeping the body alive might prevent the spirit/soul from moving on to wherever it is supposed to go when we die. Therefore I would want to be killed as soon as the doctors said it was pretty much hopeless.

Also I would not want to bankrupt my family in an effort to prolong a vegetable type existence.

tecoyah · 03-22-2005, 04:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by matthew330

....that Rdr4evr is fully functioning.

NO.....Dont try harder

Unacceptable and worthy of what comes your way....see you in three days

Bill O'Rights · 03-22-2005, 05:43 AM

My, but this do get emotional, don't it? Well, if any good at all comes of this, it is to illustrate the importance, to each and every one of us, to put our wishes in writing. I, for one, will be making an appointment with Dewey, Skrewum and Howe, to have my Living Will drawn up.

To answer the question at hand; by all means...pull the freakin' plug. I have no desire to kept languishing as, what is essentialy, a piece of meat. I do not want my loved ones final memories of me being that way. Nor do I want to become a financial and emotional burden.

ShaniFaye · 03-22-2005, 05:48 AM

I've had a living will since 1994, no I wouldnt want to be kept alive by any means at all

maleficent · 03-22-2005, 06:02 AM

I have a DNR and a Living Will, and while I hate tattoos, if it came down to it, I would have tattooed across my chest, Do Not Ressussitate - but of course I'd have it spell checked before I did that...

If it were me in Terri's shoes right now, I'd not want this to have gone on as long as it has, the man who was married to me, has a right to get on with his life, I'm not me anymore. If I were Terri, my parents better hope I not die soon, because I will haunt them from the great beyond for dragging this out, and for not letting m e be at peace

JBX · 03-22-2005, 06:28 AM

I'd want out... Pull It!

View Poll Results: If you were in Terri Shiavo's shoe's, what would you want?
Pull the plug	102	89.47%
Keep me alive as long as I can breath on my own	8	7.02%
Keep me alive as long as medical science can do it	4	3.51%
Voters: 114. You may not vote on this poll

03-21-2005, 09:38 PM	#1 (permalink)
Lebell Cracking the Whip Location: Sexymama's arms...	If you were in Terri Schiavo's shoes, what would you want done? Seriously. Drop the political party shit and answer the question honestly. If a dozen or more doctors declared all your higher brain functions to be zilch, would you want to be kept alive as a vegatable? I sure as hell wouldn't. __________________ "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." – C. S. Lewis The ONLY sponsors we have are YOU! Please Donate!

03-21-2005, 09:41 PM	#2 (permalink)
tecoyah Illusionary	I would be dead......and would thus not care. Dead is......Dead. __________________ Holding onto anger is like grasping a hot coal with the intent of throwing it at someone else; you are the one who gets burned. - Buddha

03-21-2005, 09:42 PM	#3 (permalink)
hannukah harry Junkie	if i'm not in a condition to pull my plug myself, then i want someone to pull it for me. /double meaning? __________________ shabbat shalom, mother fucker! - the hebrew hammer

03-21-2005, 09:49 PM	#4 (permalink)
Cynthetiq Tilted Cat Head Administrator Location: Manhattan, NY	this underlines how important it is to have your papers in order. We all don't want to think about these things, but it's important to have these directives in place. Had she had a living will all this would not be a question. Health Care Directive PULL IT! __________________ I don't care if you are black, white, purple, green, Chinese, Japanese, Korean, hippie, cop, bum, admin, user, English, Irish, French, Catholic, Protestant, Jewish, Buddhist, Muslim, indian, cowboy, tall, short, fat, skinny, emo, punk, mod, rocker, straight, gay, lesbian, jock, nerd, geek, Democrat, Republican, Libertarian, Independent, driver, pedestrian, or bicyclist, either you're an asshole or you're not. What's the best nation in the world? DO-NATION! Last edited by Cynthetiq; 03-21-2005 at 09:52 PM..

03-21-2005, 09:50 PM	#5 (permalink)
MH73 Upright	Pull the plug and then, come back as a ghost and slap my parents silly...

03-21-2005, 09:50 PM	#6 (permalink)
Bryndian_Dhai Insane Location: Louisiana	I've already had long conversations with my hubby about this one, and I've got an appointment with an attorney to carve it in stone. I absolutely, positively, do not ever want to be kept alive artificially. I'm ok with emergency CPR, and I'm ok with "heroic" measures to save my life, but if that life has to afterwards be maintained by a machine, I don't want any part of it. I'm thinking very seriously of having a close friend, one whom I trust implicitly, to be the one who administers my living will... While I trust my husband, with my life and my death, I also know that times like these can sometimes cause the most even-keeled person to act selfishly in a moment of panic, rather than selflessly in the interests of the person whose life is at stake. __________________ “When facism comes to America it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross.” ~Sinclair Lewis

03-21-2005, 10:05 PM	#7 (permalink)
matthew330 Banned	Seriously, nobody here can put themselves in Terry Schiavo's shoes, so i don't accept the validity of the question. Have another poll. Seriously, would you personally remove her feeding tube?

03-21-2005, 10:11 PM	#8 (permalink)
Mojo_PeiPei Kiss of Death Location: Perpetual wind and sorrow	Yeah, no machines for me. Nothing extreme, I'll let nature take its course, especially in cases of Coma or brain damage, things like paraysis and wicked diseases like CP, Parkinsons, etc. scare me too. __________________ To win a war you must serve no master but your ambition.

03-21-2005, 10:20 PM	#10 (permalink)
martinguerre whosoever Location: New England	gather my family, and friends who want to say goodbye. and pull the plug. __________________ For God so loved creation, that God sent God's only Son that whosoever believed should not perish, but have everlasting life. -John 3:16

03-21-2005, 10:26 PM	#11 (permalink)
pan6467 Lennonite Priest Location: Mansfield, Ohio USA	If I were in that situation, comatose, irreparable brain damage and no future but laying there I would prefer death.... however, breathing on my own and starving me is barbaric and I would hope the doctors would euthanize me. That's me personally. To turn this into a political issue is pathetic. So according to this party.... if I can't pay for healthcare then aw well, but if I am in a coma with no hope, my family has no right to pull the plug and they go bankrupt. Hmmmmm sounds like a winner to me. __________________ I just love people who use the excuse "I use/do this because I LOVE the feeling/joy/happiness it brings me" and expect you to be ok with that as you watch them destroy their life blindly following. My response is, "I like to put forks in an eletrical socket, just LOVE that feeling, can't ever get enough of it, so will you let me put this copper fork in that electric socket?"

03-21-2005, 10:29 PM	#12 (permalink)
matthew330 Banned	"Yes. If I knew that's what she wanted, " I'll ask again, would you remove her feeding tube?

03-21-2005, 10:50 PM	#16 (permalink)
nofnway Insane Location: under the freeway bridge	I'd like the tests to be run.....all of them. I can pay.... I'f I'm braindead...pull the plug or tube...else keep me alive. Who knows what therapies may become available. __________________ "Iron rusts with disuse, stagnant water loses its purity and in cold water freezes. Even so does inaction sap the vigor of the mind" Leonardo Da Vinci

03-21-2005, 10:54 PM	#17 (permalink)
nofnway Insane Location: under the freeway bridge	Don't forget to drop the political party shit and answer Honestly __________________ "Iron rusts with disuse, stagnant water loses its purity and in cold water freezes. Even so does inaction sap the vigor of the mind" Leonardo Da Vinci

03-21-2005, 10:56 PM	#18 (permalink)
matthew330 Banned	Let's try answering the question, then flip it around on me. I'm more than happy to answer yours, i know my answer. I'm not trying to back you into a corner. As sure as you are of yourselves, it should be a relatively easy question to answer, if it's not, why?. Your question is cake, i just won't oblige you if you won't do the same for me.

03-21-2005, 10:57 PM	#19 (permalink)
matthew330 Banned	Bryan Dhai - how do you know "that's what she wants"? Are you privy to some info the rest of us aren't? You did say that's the only way you would do that.

03-21-2005, 11:00 PM	#20 (permalink)
Rdr4evr Banned	pull the plug...i wouldn't want to live as a veggie or as a quadripalegic for that matter, and this is why i'm so grateful for being fully functional, anything on the level of said ailments...i'd rather die.

03-21-2005, 11:06 PM	#21 (permalink)
matthew330 Banned	'RDR4EVR FOR PREZ!!"

03-21-2005, 11:07 PM	#22 (permalink)
matthew330 Banned	"and this is why i'm so grateful for being fully functional"... i'm confused.

03-21-2005, 11:11 PM	#23 (permalink)
Jeff And we'll all float on ok... Location: Iowa City	Pull the damned plug. __________________ For those who believe in God, most of the big questions are answered. But for those of us who can't readily accept the God formula, the big answers don't remain stone-written. We adjust to new conditions and discoveries. We are pliable. Love need not be a command or faith a dictum. I am my own God. We are here to unlearn the teachings of the church, state, and our educational system. We are here to drink beer. We are here to kill war. We are here to laugh at the odds and live our lives so well that Death will tremble to take us. --Charles Bukowski

03-21-2005, 11:28 PM	#26 (permalink)
Willravel ... a sort of licensed troubleshooter.	Keep me alive as long as I can breath on my own, so long as I am not a burden to my family. I have arrangments already made out so my wife and parents don't butt heads (not as if they would have otherwise). I don't want anyone responsible for taking my life unless it is necessary. As someone who has been in a coma, I can tell you that the dreams and thoughts are there.

03-21-2005, 11:28 PM	#27 (permalink)
matthew330 Banned	about Rdr4evr being fully functional. Not to sound too insensitive, but i call bullshit when i see it. I'm sure your stepmom would be proud of you using her death to add validity to a internet argument. If you can't show me the parallel between "the most amazing woman you have ever met"'s death, and Terri's situation, than the comparison is inane.

03-21-2005, 11:42 PM	#29 (permalink)
alansmithee Junkie	I said keep me alive as long as possible, by whatever means possible. When they pull the plug, that's it. There is no coming back, so I want every option exercised. With my luck, they'd pull the plug on the day they find a cure for whatever I had . So want to be kept alive until science can't keep me alive. ----- And personally, I think the coverage this case has recieved to be mildly sickening. It seems politicians (from BOTH sides) will take whatever measures possible to avoid tackling real issues. All the handwringing and grandstanding seems really ghoulish. Last edited by alansmithee; 03-21-2005 at 11:46 PM..

03-21-2005, 11:44 PM	#30 (permalink)
Rdr4evr Banned	sorry matthew...you lost me completely in both your posts. what was so hard to understand about what i said? i simply said if i were a vegetable, or even a quadriplegic for that matter, i would rather die. i also said i am grateful that i don't have any such ailments, and am thankful to be fully functional. what's hard to understand?

03-21-2005, 11:49 PM	#31 (permalink)
matthew330 Banned	....that Rdr4evr is fully functioning.

03-21-2005, 11:53 PM	#32 (permalink)
Rdr4evr Banned	is that your attempt at an insult? if so, i don't know why the need, or how it came about...but it's a rather sad attempt, try harder.

03-22-2005, 01:42 AM	#34 (permalink)
cyrnel Adequate Location: In my angry-dome.	Coma: Exhaust my funds waiting then pull the plug. Been there and it's a wild ride. PVS: Exhaust my funds on tests & experimental cures. Then pull the plug. Found on curb: Might just be passed out. Leave me bus fare & your email. Edit: I'd also prefer a lethal injection. (weird to type that) Faster, possibly less painful, definitely less wasteful. But if it means legal delays then just pull the plug. Last edited by cyrnel; 03-22-2005 at 11:53 AM..

03-22-2005, 05:43 AM	#37 (permalink)
Bill O'Rights will always be an Alyson Hanniganite Location: In the dust of the archives	My, but this do get emotional, don't it? Well, if any good at all comes of this, it is to illustrate the importance, to each and every one of us, to put our wishes in writing. I, for one, will be making an appointment with Dewey, Skrewum and Howe, to have my Living Will drawn up. To answer the question at hand; by all means...pull the freakin' plug. I have no desire to kept languishing as, what is essentialy, a piece of meat. I do not want my loved ones final memories of me being that way. Nor do I want to become a financial and emotional burden. __________________ "I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do because I notice it always coincides with their own desires." - Susan B. Anthony "Hedonism with rules isn't hedonism at all, it's the Republican party." - JumpinJesus It is indisputable that true beauty lies within...but a nice rack sure doesn't hurt.

03-22-2005, 05:48 AM	#38 (permalink)
ShaniFaye Submit to me, you know you want to Location: Lilburn, Ga	I've had a living will since 1994, no I wouldnt want to be kept alive by any means at all __________________ *I want the diabetic plan that comes with rollover carbs. I dont like the unused one expiring at midnite!!*

03-22-2005, 06:02 AM	#39 (permalink)
maleficent Junkie Moderator Emeritus Location: Chicago	I have a DNR and a Living Will, and while I hate tattoos, if it came down to it, I would have tattooed across my chest, Do Not Ressussitate - but of course I'd have it spell checked before I did that... If it were me in Terri's shoes right now, I'd not want this to have gone on as long as it has, the man who was married to me, has a right to get on with his life, I'm not me anymore. If I were Terri, my parents better hope I not die soon, because I will haunt them from the great beyond for dragging this out, and for not letting m e be at peace __________________ Free your heart from hatred. Free your mind from worries. Live simply. Give more. Expect less.

03-22-2005, 06:28 AM	#40 (permalink)
JBX Unfair and Imbalanced Location: Upstate, NY	I'd want out... Pull It! __________________ "Youth and Strength is no match for Age and Treachery"