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Please do not reply to the above troll..........."Comrades"

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Originally Posted by host

"WAS BUSH RIGHT?"

The "tell" for me, is the reaction of the 200,000 or so, able bodied Iraqi
ex-patriate males who reside in the U.S. In the year or more since Bush,
after finally settling on the face saving explanation that the purpose of the
U.S. invasion and occupation of Iraq was to bring "freedom and democracy"
to the Iraqi people, in a "war of liberation", how many of the above described
Iraqis have joined the U.S. military, or gone home to Iraq to serve in it's
reconstituted security forces? What percentage of Iraqi ex-patriates voted
in the "election" last weekend? In the U.S., the expatriates had the opportunity to vote over a three day period.

I believe that Iraqi ex-patriates, having the recent first hand experience of
living in countries that hold free and democratic elections, clearly see Bush
and his motives for what they are. Neither they, nor I, believe that Bush is
spending $200 billion (counting the new $75 billion fund request) and
ten thousand U.S. casualties, in a selfless effort to bring democracy to Iraq.
The following is a much more likely description of Bushco's intention than
the propaganda Bush & Co. serve up.

There was music to this. Too bad I couldn't add it.

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Originally Posted by host

willravel, Mojo and stevo simply regurgitate the talking points that the Bushco
neocons and the Fox-Goebbels spin machine have fed them, They are incapable
of independent thought or research.

I must have missed the "do not respond to this troll" message for this post.

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Originally Posted by sob

I must have missed the "do not respond to this troll" message for this post.

The problem for you, sob, and for stevo and Mojo, et al, is that you repeat
"evidence" linking Saddam's Iraq to Al Qaeda, and declarations concerning
where the alleged pre-invasion stockpiles of Iraqi WMD's "ended up", that have
been determined as baseless by exhausitive and expensive U.S. and international
inspection teams, U.S. intelligence agencies, U.S. federal agency heads,
congressmen, senators, and YES.......finally even by Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld,
Rice, and Powell.

Throught it all, nothing disuades you from posting your information again and
again, as if it were fact, as if time had not passed and determinations made,
and, at long last, after even the great Cheney, himself, has fallen silent about
these matters. Do you really believe that the Bushco cabel, desperate to
restore some shred of legitmacy to their misleading and inaccurate justifications<br> for illegal war of aggression, would be less eager than even
you, to sieze on any of your presentations of "fact" if they thought that
any of them would square with reality?

By the way, your photos of Iraqi ex-patriates voting around the world were
inspiring, to be sure. They also provide nothing to expand on my argument
about low ex-patriate voter turnout and no evidence that ex-patriates have
taken up the fight that Bush has ordered American soldiers to fight and
die for. How dare your criminal President, when exposed as a misleading
and incompetent shill for an unjustifiable, illegal war, cheapen the sacrafice
and commitment to American security that our soldiers live by, to order them
to die for his newest, most desperate, and flimsiest excuses to date for the
reasons that he has them still risking their lives and limbs in Iraq, nearly two
years after he strutted around so prematurely on that aircraft carrier to
declare that "major hostilities are over". Over 1300 troops have died and
8000 have suffered horrible wounds since Bush strutted around dressed in a
flight suit, that day.

What could still motivate you to cheerlead for this pathetic excuse for a
president ?

I've been waiting a long time but i finally have to ask...at what point do you start boring yourself, host...co, ex-patriate...et al?

Matthew, you have a wonderful ability to respond to a post without responding to a post. Do you by any chance know what host was trying to say? Or do you fit neatly into the "happy to go along with 3 year old false information" gang? You know there is always a way out of that gang (besides being jumped out), is sitting down and looking at the facts with an open mind. If there were links with al Qaeda and WMDs, Bushco would still be singing their songs about the original reason to go to war with Iraq. Just like Waco, the story changed. Waco, to refresh everyone's memory, all started with a subpoena. The subpoena was accompanied by armed DEA agents. After some gunfire, and essentially a DEA loss, the name of the game went from subpoena for illegal firearms to "we're trying to rescue the children". It was thought by those at the FBI that rescuing children would excuse the execution of those people. It almost worked. The same thing is going on now. The reason that you don't hear about the al Qaeda links and WMDs is because those theories have been disproven. In a desperate effort to justify the invasion, we switched our reasoning from defense, to a moral reason (just like Waco). Now we have an election that seems to be going well, but the blood of Iraqi civilians and rebels, and American soldiers, paid for it. We have seen the American casualty list grow and grow and grow.

Look at the "spreading democracy" reasoning by itself. According to Bushco presently, we went into Iraq to get Saddam (who was not a direct threat to the US) and to free the Iraqi people. That's swell, and I'm all for liberating people from dictators, but what makes Iraq so special? Why in God's name didn't we go into Africa to help out the civilians who are being massacred? We would have saved so many more lives and we could have brought some shred of peace to an area of the world that is just as violent, if not more violent, than the Middle East. You know, the drug lords in Africa can sell arms to terrorists just as much as anyone else. I think that it's impossible to say that we went to Iraq simply to free them. There is a reason we picked them.

Now back to reality. The reality of the situation is that Cheny, Bush, Powell, and Rice have all admitted that there was no link between Iraq and 9/11. There were no WMDs found in Iraq. Those reasons are gone now, and no one can hide behind them. It's time for you guys to take a step back and think for yourselves. I know you all can think for yourselves, now is the perfect time.

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Originally Posted by matthew330

I've been waiting a long time but i finally have to ask...at what point do you start boring yourself, host...co, ex-patriate...et al?

I think it's important to have a good standing when questioning the contributions of others. As host pointed out, Matthew you have little. Perhaps if you take a moment from trying to remove the splinter from host's eye, you can remove the log from your own. In case you were wondering, that metephor is from the bible.

As this has turned into nothing but a "beat up on Matt" thread.........perhaps it is best retired.