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daswig 11-01-2004 08:16 PM
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Originally Posted by smooth
excellent point--and the data backs you up. Murderers have one of the lowest (if not the lowest) recidivism rates. One main reason being that they are simply too old once released (increased age and reduced recidivism link documented for over 200 years now). Another being that most murders are pretty spontaneous--not like the general picture I think people form: that there are murderers and non-murderers walking around the cities just waiting to be discovered.
people who spontaneously commit acts of murder are almost never sentenced to death for it, unless it happened during the commission of another felony.

daswig 11-01-2004 08:19 PM
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Originally Posted by bling
Yeah. Exactly. Most states do not have the death penalty - therefore it is illegal in most states.
This statement of yours pretty much sums up your entire position. 38 states currently have the death penalty. Source: http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/arti...1&scid=11#with

12 states don't. Source: http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/arti...cid=11#without

You're more than slightly misinformed.

bling 11-01-2004 09:03 PM
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Originally Posted by daswig
This statement of yours pretty much sums up your entire position.
No it doesn't. But you're more than welcome to deflect from the crux of my position that I have repeated numerous times.

smooth 11-01-2004 09:07 PM
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Originally Posted by daswig
people who spontaneously commit acts of murder are almost never sentenced to death for it, unless it happened during the commission of another felony.

Did you say at one time that you are an attorney? If you are the person I remember, you aren't a criminal trial lawyer. You should be aware that I'm in my second year of a Ph.D. in criminology--so my data may be more accurate than yours.

It's most likely that we have a different understandings of spontaneity. I'm not going to nitpick words with you, however, and I'll just leave my comment as stated.

Lebell 11-01-2004 09:10 PM
Opposed on philosophical and moral reasoning.

See the other threads Art thoughtfully linked to if you care to know why.

Rekna 11-01-2004 09:13 PM
If it can be proven that they are guilty of horrid crimes beyond ANY doubt (key word is any here as opposed to reasonable) and they cannot/willnot be productive inmates then yes kill them but use a bullet not a $100,000 needle. Otherwise put them in jail and force them to earn their keep through labor. Chain gangs are great. Teach them a skill and use them for cheap labor.

daswig 11-01-2004 10:13 PM
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Originally Posted by bling
No it doesn't. But you're more than welcome to deflect from the crux of my position that I have repeated numerous times.
How does 12 out of 50 = "most"?

Would you care to provide a link to back up your assertion that "Most states do not have the death penalty - therefore it is illegal in most states."?

Your BASIC assumptions are wrong, and it's easily demonstrable. That bodes poorly for the rest of your argument.

daswig 11-01-2004 10:15 PM
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Originally Posted by smooth
You should be aware that I'm in my second year of a Ph.D. in criminology
Let me know when you graduate, and we'll continue it, "doctor" to "doctor". :thumbsup:

seep 11-01-2004 10:41 PM
Sissies. :p

Concepts like "morality", "justice", "rights" and "punishment" don't even figure into my reasoning one way or the other here - some people have nothing to contribute but misery, so if it can be done efficiently with little margin for error, euthanize them instead of babysitting them.

FoolThemAll 11-01-2004 10:43 PM
Opposed completely. Even if guilt is certain. I consider it murder.

But there are certainly circumstances where one DOES have the right to take the life of another (self-defense, just war). I simply don't believe that those circumstances EVER exist with capital punishment.

bling 11-01-2004 10:57 PM
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Originally Posted by daswig
How does 12 out of 50 = "most"?

Would you care to provide a link to back up your assertion that "Most states do not have the death penalty - therefore it is illegal in most states."?

Your BASIC assumptions are wrong, and it's easily demonstrable. That bodes poorly for the rest of your argument.
Fortunately for my argument, it doesn't in anyway hinge on whether I was correct in the quantity of states which legalize capital punishment. Unfortunately for this discussion, you won't ever recognize that fact.

Kalibah 11-02-2004 01:03 AM
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Originally Posted by FoolThemAll
Opposed completely. Even if guilt is certain. I consider it murder.

But there are certainly circumstances where one DOES have the right to take the life of another (self-defense, just war). I simply don't believe that those circumstances EVER exist with capital punishment.


Amany murders occur inside prisons to other inmates OR to guards/ correctional officers

When your already sentenced to life w/o parol- prison is your playground

FoolThemAll 11-02-2004 07:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Kalibah
Amany murders occur inside prisons to other inmates OR to guards/ correctional officers

When your already sentenced to life w/o parol- prison is your playground
Certainly. And when it becomes clear that a given inmate is intent on committing a murder, killing becomes a possibly legitimate option.

Lebell 11-02-2004 07:44 AM
Daswig, Bling (and everyone),

Sniping at each other has gotten this thread closed.

Take it up in another thread and it will get you temp bans.

So please raise the level of your discourse.


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