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It's pretty simple. Most of them are distortions of the truth, and/or come from extremely partisan sources. BTW, who did the source magazine endorse? Could it be ....John Kerry? |
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You forgot that Bush is putting more arsenic in our drinking water. Thanks to the Kerry-backing Wash. Post for putting this list together, but many of the facts are reputed with other facts, such as 1.9 million jobs created in the last 13 months to counter the fact that over the last 4 years, net jobs have declined. Also, there is the fact that Bush was honorably discharged from the national guard, completely refuting the claim that he didn't perform his duties. There's 98 to go, but I really don't have the time or energy to go through each of them. Bush ain't perfect by a long shot, but he's the one I trust as my president.
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The facts pile upon facts. The statistics create graphs. Even myself, in my infinite morbidity, rational logic and holy aura(tm) speak against the current administration. ...and people still fight. That's faith, people. That's real fuckin' strong faith. To be able to completely DENY reality and fight on... that's fuckin' admirable faith. quicksteal, I made sure to create a little thread about what you just said. It's a good point to bring up because it has been ignored this election. I think it deserves some attention.
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Pretty much all of these have been posted in this forum at one time or another....and the results are less than pretty. Still, this is showing some level of debate promise.....we shall see ........
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Care to cite sources for your opinions? Or are they just that: opinions? |
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I'm sure it would be just as easy to come up with 100 things that John Kerry has done as a senator that Republicans can distort and get people just as mad. No matter what source you go to you are going to get a biased facts, its a matter if you want to clean it off and get the real facts or take it as it is. And remember: politics is all opinions.
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Anyone at any given time can dispute some facts and warp them to their agenda. But when you have at least 100 from different sources some from the opposing side that prove your point, then you can't argue and you can't warp. You maybe able to take a few but...... Aw well, noone believes facts and graphs and parallels in history until it bites them in the ass and they see it first hand.
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thank you pan, for saying quite eloquently what I tried to say, but failed miserably.
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He has simply slandered our soldiers, become a traitor by meeting with the enemy, voted in the Senate to gut our military and intelligence, and run on a platform of supporting our troops and being a war hero. Both guys have major problems that are denied by those who support them.
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7. Vice President Cheney said that Iraq was "the geographic base of the terrorists who have had us under assault for many years, but most especially on 9/11." The bipartisan 9/11 Commission found that Iraq had no involvement in the 9/11 attacks and no collaborative operational relationship with Al Qaeda. Source: MSNBC , 9-11 Commission |
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I'm not voting for either of these two guys as I think they're pretty much 2 sides of the same coin. But I know just as many people who will vote for "anyone but Bush" as will vote for whomever the Republicans put up and it disturbs me.
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Yup, I've got a picture of him doing it, dumping a 55 gallon drum of arsenic into an exposed water pipe. Sure, it's a poorly photoshopped picture, but hey, I bet I can get "60 Minutes" to run it... |
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The bipartisan 9/11 Commission found that Iraq had no involvement in the 9/11 attacks and no collaborative operational relationship with Al Qaeda. Cheney told the American people that Iraq was at least partly responsible for 9-11. This has been proved to be false. It is a known fact that Iraq in no way participatred in 9-11. Your refusal to see the truth in no way negates it. But nice straw man, though. |
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<img src="http://www.spiritoftruth.org/images/3rd-infantry-saddam-911.jpg" /img> From the Cheney quote: "the geographic base of the terrorists". Hmmm. So you're saying that in 2002 through the start of OIF, there was no Al Queda presence within the borders of Iraq? Not ONE SINGLE Al Queda guy? Is that REALLY what you're saying? |
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Besides which, you already know there was an Al Qaeda operative inside the borders of Iraq - directly inside the northeastern portion of the country, which happened to have been controlled by the United States. As we had discussed yesterday. |
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You have a cite showing that the US controlled the Northeastern part of Iraq? How large of an occupying army did we have there at that time? Would you care to list the divisional level armed forces that the US had deployed in Northeastern Iraq at the time? Thanks SO much. There's a MAJOR difference between having a few handfuls of people in a large geographical area, and actually CONTROLLING that area. We've got troops in Cuba. Do we control Cuba? Of course not. Well, wait, I guess depending on your perspective, you could argue it, but still... |
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There were no troops on the ground. It was controlled via the no-fly zone. The no-fly zone prevented any of Saddam's forces to occupy the land. It was setup to protect the Kurds, as deemed necessary by the U.S., U.K. and France by virtue of U.N. Resolution #688. We went through this yesterday. None of it has anything whatsoever to do with the fact that Cheney falsely linked Saddam's Iraq with 9/11. |
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There were members of Al Queda within the geographic borders of Iraq. I don't think you're disputing this. If you are disputing this, get a map, look at the borders, look at the camp, and see if it's within what the map calls "IRAQ". If that's the case, then Cheney's statement was indeed factually accurate. |
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OK. If he meant that the U.S. could have walked up to the Al Qaeda member and arrested him or killed him if he resisted, without having to deal with Saddam at all, then you are correct.
But it is clear that is not what Cheney meant. As for the no-fly zone - if it were not in place, Saddam could have walked over the Kurds by FLYING there. So, the no-fly zone was absolutely controlling the area. |
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So, 53 WMDs weren't enough WMDs to justify the war. The sealed bunkers full of chemical weapons that we still haven't opened aren't enough WMDs to justify the war. And now a single high-profile Al Queda operative (and a training camp full of Al Queda recruits/refugees from Afghanistan) isn't enough to justify the war. I'm wondering what, exactly, in your mind, WOULD have justified the war. Did the four planes on 9/11 have to be Iraqi Air, piloted by Saddam's family members? |
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Good thread. The facts are overwhelming when compiled like this. Lets just hope people wake up to themselves at polling time. Its truly astonishing that he gets any votes. In the presedential debate Kerry should have just said one word 'Iraq', then won the debate. The really sad thing is that most americans (and people generally) have historical amnesia and the attention span of a goldfish. Nobody gives a shit about WMDs or if Al Qaeda was in Iraq. The huge number of innocent Iraq/ Afgan lives lost dont count for shit.
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Of course, I can't speak for others..... Instead of attacking each other, which is where most of these threads go anyway, why not attack and refute the 100 statements made in the original post. If only somehow there were a way to interact with a huge database of information.....maybe a network of networks...yes, where you could find information to either validate or invalidate the original posters claim...maybe an intranet-web-thingie. Some day.... One day it will come, but until then let's just snipe at each other and use our quick wit to cut down other posters instead of using our amazing powers of sarcasm for good.
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