Me neither, it's not my fucked up country.

I think it would be hard to blame the kids at the school for terrorising the shooters and running them off the road while threatening to kill them next time. But Moore never mentions the fact that those shooters were harrassed. Na, it must be the lie that the parents make bombs. That makes sense.

seriously, can't you ever see that the bomb-comment was just that, a comment, it was never presented as a main solution or a direct cause. It was just an interesting paradox. Watch the movie one more time, how the fuck is it not possible to grasp this movie? It's not Shakespeare, it's simple and populistic, and that just makes it more embarrasing for you guys when you start putting your limited understanding of this oh so understandable movie on display on tha intarweb. The speech is not edited, the Heston-clip is shown before the rest of the speech, you need to be ignorant and/or completely biased to ignore that. Same thing with the bomb IT'S A PARADOX, NOT THE SOLUTION TO THE PROBLEM!
Jesus, this debate would be so fucking unneccesary if some ppl could just chill off and check their facts one more time.

Simple, populistic, and wrong, This debate could chill if Moore checked his facts one more time.

Well, as long as you guys would counter this movie on facts, and not on all this "he lies 'cuz i thought he edited a speech" bs.

The "lies" you are pointing to are bs, so if it's the entire point that the US has a problem with guns you are opposing, then debate that, not wether or not Heston's speech was edited or not, or wether or not Lockheed are producing weapons.

This thread is about How Moore Lies, if you want to argue Guns start a new thread.

Exactly, taht is the problem, the thread is nothing but repeated bs about Moore lying, although every charge seems to be nothing but misinterpretations on your account. Wether or not that bullshit "truth about BFC"-site is linked a thousand times, the canadian in the link earlier already discredited that, so stfu please.

So then the NRA did help the KKK light cross's? Americans burnt witches at the stake? The Littleton Plant makes WMD's? Americans can buy ammo in Canadian Walmarts? Heston gave a speach about guns 48 hours after Kayla's shooting? Heston gave his speach as it was shown in the film? The wall plaque read as Moore said it did? ETC? These are all true to you?

mm is a total idiot

And to make a movie and title it after the Columbine shootings, and try to understand why such a horrid thing happened and neglect the most probable cause is just shoddy filmmaking.

Discredited?

How so?

It has an average of about 3 sentences on each topic, and is composed mostly of opinion. Besides, the defenses aren't even anything to brag about. "That 'Cold Dead Hands' clip is like Arnold saying 'I'll be back'" Please. The NRA and KKK clip, yes, all meant in 100% humor, you'd have to be CRAZY to see something else. Does the Canadian website mention anything about how the NRA cancelled everything in Denver except the meeting they were REQUIRED to have? Oh, wait, I missed this part, "He showed the very beginning of the convention! I have read the entire transcript from Heston's speech, and I don't think Moore cut anything out or re-edited anything that put Heston's speech out of context. What was Moore supposed to do? Show the entire convention in a two-hour film? BFC is an anti-gun film. Of course Moore is going to use clips that support his opinion." Wow, that Canadian website sure did discredit Hardylaw :rolleyes:

For anyone who wants a line by line disection of Michael Moore and how he lied in Bowling for Columbine:

http://bowlingfortruth.com/index.htm