Originally Posted by Slims (Post 2625963)

YouTube - Real Gunfighter Lance Thomas on Justic Files

This guy was a watchmaker in LA who, following a string of nearby armed robberies/murders of fellow shopkeepers sought and was given a CCW.

He has since killed 5 armed robbers in his store.


Edit: I am deliberately posting this in Weaponry in the hopes we can avoid a discussion on politics and whatnot. Please try to keep comments objective. If you think he should have behaved differently feel free to explain, but don't get bogged down with the 2'nd amendment, how precious life is, etc..

Originally Posted by Strange Famous (Post 2628153)

He is a killer who has ended 5 people's lives.

It is astonishing to me that even those who would claim he acted in legal self defence would consider the taking of human lives in this manner as something worthy of celebration and congratulation.

And I'm sorry - if you think that the destruction of human life is not an ethical question - you live in a different world to I do.

Originally Posted by FuglyStick (Post 2628196)

He is a killer who ended 5 people's lives, 5 people who had no respect for anyone else's lives, and might have taken other innocent people's lives. The man in the video is not mounting heads on his wall, he's just protecting himself, the right of any man. Don't come looking for sympathy for his "victims," because they're not victims.

Originally Posted by Strange Famous (Post 2628203)

They are also not trophies.

Originally Posted by FuglyStick (Post 2628204)

As I said, he's not mounting the heads on his wall. He doesn't come across as a braggart or a vigilante. He's a guy protecting his life. I'm not going to fault him for that, or accuse him of being immoral or a criminal. That's not what protecting yourself means.

Originally Posted by Strange Famous (Post 2628210)

As far as I can tell he is using lethal force to protect his property, not his life. If he handed over what the thieves wanted he wouldnt be shot. He has made a judgment that he considers his property to be worth killing to protect. The law in the US allows him to make such a choice - but for the original conversation - if we are going to talk about this the ONLY conversation I can imagine is a moral one... unless we are to talk about the fact he's a good shot?

I make my comment about "trophies" in the light of the perspective taken by other people making comments in this discussion. There are two comments which I specifically find incredible and unacceptable - 1, that the fact he has taken 5 lives is "awesome", and 2 - to speculate on the "saving to the tax payer" of thieves being shot down rather than having to be kept in prison.

There is a debate which I at least can comprehend as to whether this individual should have the right to kill the men he has to protect his property. It is incomphrensible to me that anyone should consider 5 killings to be something to be proud of or consider as an achievment worthy of merit. This is a terrible weight. For whatever reason you end a life, and whether you have the right or not, there is still blood on your hands and on your soul; even someone who has no choice but to kill or be killed.