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Help me out here, are they trying to persuade al-Qaeda not to "hate us
Mr. Bush and Mr. Cheney have told us, time and again, for more than five years, why our terrorist enemies....hate us:
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Is it possible that Bush and Cheney are trying to lessen, or even remove the main reasons that the "terrorists hate us". Does the Bush/Cheney "GWOT" strategy include ending our "freedom", our "political discourse", and our "democracy", so that the "terrorists" will no longer "hate us" ? Quote:
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How does a secret warrantless, domestic eavesdropping program, approved by the POTUS, in violation of articles in the bill of rights in the constitution, the insertion of secret clause in the Patriot Act revision bill, during a conference of both congressional branches that barred one political party's participation, that resulted in the purge of US Attorneys around the country, intended to eliminate the senate's former authority to rule on the appropriateness of presidential appointments, make our country more "free" or more "democratic"? The fallout from this recent, in a long series of deliberate compromising of our former "freedom and democracy" by Bush, Cheney, and loyal republicans in congress, has so far resulted in the appointment of one of Karl Rove's political "dirt" researcher, the rabidly partisan (judging from his "career" benchmarks), Tim Griffin, as the new US Attorney for Arkansas, with the former ability of the senate to question and to decide whether to confirm his appointment, removed.....and the compromising of the investigation of corruption and possible treason...during wartime....of Rep. Jerry Lewis, former #3 at CIA Kyle "Dusty" Foggo, and proven briber of convicted Rep. Randy "Duke" Cunningham, Brett Wilkes, Foggo's best friend.... <b>Mr. Bush....and Mr. Cheney.....I don't feel any more free, or that my government under your "leadership" is more democratic, despite what you've said that you will do to preserve and strengthen the "freedom and democracy" for which you said we "stand".....but I do feel safer, thank you....because thanks to the "hard work" of you guys, there is less and less "freedom and democracy" for the "Islamic Fascist Butcher Killers" to hate us for.....isn't there?</b> |
simplistic and idiotic thoughts like those of your president and VP do you no favours in the muslim/arab world... basically because what they say it just incorrect...
the arabs hate them cos they're stupid. |
okay, you're starting to freak me out now. :p
I just had this vision of GW and Dick removing their "skins" to find that they're really OBL and Al Zawahri. Like aliens do in the movies. :lol: |
Why does George Bush hate America?
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I think they secretly love us.
I see latent homosexual cravings in the writings of zawahiri, for example. I think bin laden secretly wants george bush's...respect. |
The hypocracy is running rampent, and is tracking mud on our Constitution in the process.
Who hates freedom? Is it freedom fighters, or is it political leaders who are trying to grab power? Duh. |
The hypocracy and irony is that Maliki threw Bush's tactic right back in his face: -- when criticized for your failures, characterize the critics as soft on terrorism :eek:
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How many people in this "democracy" actually think for themselves? |
Are they destroying "freedom and democracy" so that the "terrorists" won't hate us, or are they removing US Attorneys all over the country and replacing them with political "shills" who will follow Roberto Gonzales instructions and not be subject to senate review or examination by senators, under oath, to set the stage for removal of this guy as US Attorney for the Southern Illinois District ?
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The Bush administration does not want al-Qaeda to hate us less, as they have shown us on numorous occasions (i.e. the war in Iraq, the war on terror, ect.). Unless they are unable to comprehend that their foreign policy feeds any militant Islamic fundementalist entity, such as al-Qaeda. In our actions, we provide more of the antagonism they fight against. If the Bush and Cheney really wanted them to hate us less they wouldn't limit our freedoms; they would remove our occupying forces and withdraw completely. Unless they really are that stupid.
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My country spent decades fighting terrorists in Northern Ireland, and in the end it was talking to them that slowed down (and not pretty much ended) the violence.
It gets to the point that no matter why it started, it keeps going because "we hate you because you keep trying to kill us", and "we try to kill you because you try to kill us". As the wise man said "An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind" (Ghandi). Eventualy (probably after this PotUS is long gone) someone will pull out the troops, start talks, and Iraq will become just another nation that Americans and Brits go on holiday to in order to see the real locations of all the war films - just like Viet Nam is now. |
Gandhi had his problems too...
This is a man obsessed with his own shit. This is a man who had little girls give him enemas daily. This is a man who regularly took a dump in public. This is a man who preached against sex. This is a man who got married at 13. This is a man who called his wife a dumb cow, publically. This is a man who slept naked with naked young girls. (maybe not too major a problem) This is a man who let his wife die rather than let her be properly medicated. This is a man who disowned both his sons, one for wanting to get married. This is a man - I think it fair to say - with Issues. |
Everyone has issues. What's your point, powerclown?
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I'm just saying: How wise was he, really?
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Wise man once said: "Anyone who idolizes perfection will always fall short.'
Ghandi wasn't perfect. He did manage to defeat the British Empire. That's nothing to sneeze at. |
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Yes, many of the things he did were "weird" but it doesn't and shouldn't take away from the things he accomplished. In fact, one could conceive that without his obsessive nature he wouldn't have been able to achieve all that he did. |
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Good points, mixedmedia. Its curious how he acknowledged young, naked girls as the embodiment of sexual temptation. Do we know for certain that he in fact abstained from carnal relations with young girls? Was his biographer present and bedside each and every night? Perhaps he was less abstinent than previously thought. Perhaps this was the source of the foul treatment he conveyed upon his wife? Perhaps these nocturnal releases with young harlots were the source of his...lack of aggression. Thinking aloud here. |
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I congratulate Powerclown on an extraordinarily effective threadjack. Why, nobody probably even REMEMBERS the freedom-destroying atrocities this thread was intended to discuss. Instead we get to talk about whether Gandhi was a weirdo. Great work. There's probably a job for you at Fox News! :lol:
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Thanks ratbastid.
I have a question for you though: are there thread limits here? Are there limits as to the number of pages within any given thread? Are people forbidden to re-establish the OP whenver they choose to in the event of an incidental threadjack? This thread took on a non-serious tone very early on (not by me), and admittedly got sidetracked. Sometimes threads take on a life of their own, like crystals. So would you say it is now impossible to re-establish the intended discussion in the op? I definitely wouldn't. I have faith in the vigor, vitality and prolificacy of the posters here. I await the return to the discussion of the Death of Freedom in America, al-Qaeda, the GWOT, etc. Sorry about the threadjack. |
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Yes, I think it is ironic that GW goes on about how much "they" hate us for our freedoms while at the same time effectively chipping away at those very same freedoms when we're not looking. Kind of like the way my middle daughter chipped away at the vinyl covering the arm rests in the back seat of my old Toyota. One day I looked back there...and I all I could see was exposed foam. :lol: uhhhh...yeah. |
Come on, now, Bush is a freedom-loving kind of guy. For certain definitions of freedom.
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I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it. ~Voltaire
We are not afraid to entrust the American people with unpleasant facts, foreign ideas, alien philosophies, and competitive values. For a nation that is afraid to let its people judge the truth and falsehood in an open market is a nation that is afraid of its people. ~John F. Kennedy |
"Make no mistake about it, I understand how tough it is, sir. I talk to families who die." --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., Dec. 7, 2006
"It's bad in Iraq. Does that help?" --George W. Bush, after being asked by a reporter whether he's in denial about Iraq, Washington, D.C., Dec. 7, 2006 George W. Bush couldn't persuade a starving man to eat a grape. He's just too damn stupid. If you knew you were stupid, you would surround yourself with smart people. Smart people giving advise to a stupid person in charge often try to control that person. Welcome to the worst side of politics. |
When I think Bush & Co., I don't think stupid...I think:
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Funny thing Host is that you always seen to leave out Slick Willie Dick was doing the same evesdropping. Why Is that?
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Clinton was far from perfect, but even mentioning him in a thread like this is only a distraction from the reality we face today. |
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Click on the "print it" link when you display Gaffney's column....you can see the logo of the owner of townhall.com, "freedom loving" CNP sponsor, Salem Communications...... Quote:
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Question # 2 Can you say Echelon? I knew you could. Question # 3 Can you say Echelon? I knew you could again. And I brought Clinton up for the sole reason that when Bush does something that Slick Willie did he is a dictator taking away rights but it was perfectly ok for the slick one to do it. |
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Again, Clinton wasn't a perfect president, but standing next to dubbuyuh, he sure is. Bush has made any indescretions or mistakes made by Clinton pale in comparison to his own massive blunders and vendettas. |
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Bloggers have an interesting place in that: 1) there are a ton of us, 2) we are hard to keep track of and 3) we are harder to demonize than a newspaper. |
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Now your OBL comment is really funny, is this the same president who was offered OBL by Sudan and told them that he didnt have any evidence he was involved in anything? Quote:
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Clinton's record: 93: Clinton, shortly after the first WTC bombing, bombed Iraq because Saddam attempted to kill President George H. W. Bush. 9/96: Clinton, with bipartisan support, launches two rounds of cruise missle strikes into Baghdad. 12/98 Clinton orders multilateral attacks on military and security targets in Iraq in order to hinder any nuclear, chemical, or biological weapons programs that could threaten Iraq's neighbors. Unfortunately, Clinton was not strong enough to avoid following in the foolish footsteps of Bush 1, when he made his "New World Order" announcement as bombs dropped on Baghdad in 1991. Clinton fell into the opinion that we are a violent and dangerous state and we have no qualms attacking anyone for any reason. BUT, what Clinton did pales in comparison to the invasion and occupation of Iraq. Quote:
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The nytimes.com article about Echelon does not, as Mr. Tate tried to excerpt it into seeming, defend or dismiss the intrusion on privacy of Americans that Mr. Tate wants you to believe that it does. The article is not a polictical piece, it was written in 1999 section of the Ny Times called "Technology Cybertimes" Quote:
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<b>There is much more to call into question any validity to your highly partisan and inaccurate "hit piece", reconmike, but to keep it simple here...(feel free to read and factcheck the entire refutation of Mr. Tate's americanthinker "article" and CBS 60 minute's interview of Mr. Frost, as well as of the 1997 Insight magazine article)....I'll end this with some observations about Tate's linking of Clinton with the comments of Mr. Frost:</b> Quote:
The info in the 1997 Insight article is uncorroborated, and the 1999 NY Times article cited by William Tate does not speak favorably about Echelon, as Tate claimed.....read it and show us what the f*ck Tate is talking about ! Consider that the article also refers heavily to what Bob Barr thinks, says, and is doing in reaction to Echelon, and that less than six months before the NY Times' 1999 article, Barr was one of 3 repub, house members in charge of drawing up articles of impeachment against Clinton, and then prosecuting him in an impeachment trial in the senate, a trial which failed to convict Clinton and exposed Bob Barr to criticism for his extreme partisanship. Not to pick on you specifically, reconmike, but you did allude to me as a "cut and paste" poster. Show me an example of the last time anything that I cut and pasted collapsed as easily as the cut and paste of William Tate's article and the 60 minutes piece that featured "former spy", Frost.... |
Really Host, so a Clinton crony is above lying while under oath? When the Slick One did so himself?
Maybe he was afraid to end up dead like the other Clinton detractors. |
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<b>In order for your dismissal of Tenet's April, 2000 congressional testimony as merely "a Clinton crony is above lying while under oath", to be valid, wouldn't it follow that FISA court judge, James Robertson, would also have to have been fooled, as well as some of the other ten judges on that court, by Tenet's "lying"? No FISA court judge, resigned in protest, Mike, after Tenet's April, 2000 testimony....but one did....a Rehnquist appointee to FISA court...</b> Quote:
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reconmike, Clinton was investigated by <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenneth_Starr">Ken Starr</a> for more than six years, everything that he and his wife did, before and during his presidency was exhaustively investigated. Richard Mellon Scaife rewarded Starr for his vigilance by installing him as dean of Pepperdine Law School, on Malibu Beach, where Starr thrives today. Mr. Bush and Mr. Cheney have yet to be investigated, to any extent. You'll get your first glimpse of what their futures will look like, during the next six weeks, in Libby's trial. My advice, if your plan is to stay in your bubble of denial, is to go to Lowes or to Home Depot, and buy some "quick patch" to repair all of the cracks that the wall of your bubble will be subjected to, if you don't stop ceding your ability to think for yourself to William Tate, Brett Bozell, Malkin, and the rest of their ilk. Accepting their propaganda without fact checking, is an easily avoidable trap, mike. |
The supervision of the American citizenry is a foregone conclusion.
Whether more or less conspicuously than during Clintons or Reagans or Fords or Carters or Nixons or Johnsons or Kennedys or Trumans or Eisenhowers time can be debated. Bush scribbled a little outside the lines, and the System activated. The People's System. Everything in working order. Back to the ritual of diplomacy and legislation. Clamor for calmer surveillance publicly and ceremoniously acknowledged. Eye in the Sky maintains its eternal vigil. The People's Vigil. Checks and Balances. Equilibrium restored. |
Host I still do not understand what you mean by "fact checking" .
You paste 2 clips from holyshitiamsofarleftmynamemightaswellbeKhrushchev.org and they are supposed to be facts. Ofcouse Starr investigated The Slick one for years, and anytime he had a witness they mysteriously wound up dead. During the 2000 campaign Bush, Cheney and Rove were not privy to classified information, so how would they have known what Echelon was being used for? Oh and by the way I just heard today Hellary has thrown her pointy hat into the ring, one good might come out of her winning the presidency, we the people might get back all the Lincoln china she stole. :) |
Mike...I'm curious why you refer to the Clintons as Slick Willy and Hellary?
Do you think it makes your post more credible? Does it demonstrate your commitment as a loyal republican? Do you think people will find it funny? What's the point? |
DC: Sometimes my grandma uses nicknames because she can't remember people's real names. It's depressing because it serves as a reminder that she's getting older and has lost some of her memories and such.
Of course it could just be mike wants to annoy people. I imagine if I always refered to the president as dubbuyuh (I do only on the occasions when I am discussing how stupid the president is, and only after using his name) it would annoy people whether they like Bush or not. |
Will...I dont think its a case of memory loss in this case.
In any case, I dont find the references to Slick Willy and Hellary to be annoying. I just think its childish and counter-productive if someone wants their comments to be taken seriously. BTW, I thought "dubyuh" came from Bush's friends in Texas, as a way of kidding him about his "southern" roots. |
I always assumed it was because he couldn't pronounce "double-you" and it always comes out as "dubuyuh" (like a baby saying "dada' instead of "daddy", because the child has not yet developed the necessary ability to speak).
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Just like when people called Nixon tricky dick, sometimes people call politicians names. When have I ever said I was a loyal republican? I am a loyal Reconmikeacrat, whomever has MY best interests at heart gets my vote, living in Jersey makes it difficult at times, due to the fact this place leans so far left I barely see the sun rise over the bay in the morning. |
Good news...Carol Lam, San Diego US attorney who was forced to resign by the Bush administration, won't be around to prosecute these traitorous thugs (too strong a phrase? Who declared this to be a "time of war"...and aren't these profiteering crimes against the US defense department? How would you describe officials who would do these financial crimes, in this era?)....she has apparently made her case, and has ordered an indictment against former #3 at Cia, Kyle "Dusty" Foggo's best friend, and mentor of admitted Duke Cunningham briber, Mitchell Wade, and the man who Cunningham swore to a federal judge, also bribed him....Brent Wilkes...
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your right will. i did a search on that a few years ago now..its the 'double-you' that gives him his nick 'dubya' |
oh, its definately a "w". and that sort of nicknaming is incredibly common down here. i don't think it has anything to do with his choice or inability to articulate his speech - that's just the way we talk.
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The thread got OT...maybe it can be steered back to an OP topic...
Watch CNN commentator Jack Cafferty's blunt video on the replacement of US Attorneys with white house political hacks, including the dismissal of US Attorney Carol Lam, who investigated and prosecuted Duke Cunningham, and is now reported to be about to arrest former CIA #3 Kyle "Dusty" Foggo, and his best friend and named Cunningham briber, Brett Wilkes.....as Carol Lam herself is pushed out the door.... http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/002429.php (I have a problem getting sound with the video unless I doubleclick on the arrow in the image....) |
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Did I just miss behavior like this from Clinton, Bush 1, and Reagan, or is this a new low? |
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...seriously, though....I'm as "up to speed", following the minutiae of it, as I have since the beginning, and if I don't know all of the specifics of the Cunningham/Abramoff/Wade/Ney (convicted so far....) Delay (indicted, and prosecutor Ronnie Earl has issued subpoenas related to this, also.....) Wilkes/Foggo (about to be indicted), and Lewis, Harris, Ed Buckham, and probably Goss, still under investigation.....what member of the public, does? (I've documented the "roles" and associations to this, of the names above, this morning on the "Porter Goss" thread....) The Cunningham investigation began only because a San Diego reporter matched a Washington DC address of a Corp. set up by Mitchell Wade to buy Cunningham's house, with Wade himself, and wrote a story about it. Fired US Attorney Carol Lam has not been a zealous prosecutor, even though it appears that Wade and Wilkes and Cunningham were on the radar screen of her predecessor as far back as in 2000. She is however, in charge of this complicated mess, and the move to remove her cannot aid in moving along the investigation, especially since she is now reported to be committed to indicting Wilkes and Foggo before she leaves. The "tell" will be who is appointed to replace her.....here is another tangent of this investigation, to provide an additional glimpse of it's depth. Quote:
http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2007/01...y2333036.shtml ....that damn "liberal media"....they've rewarded Justin Rood for his unfounded (not) smearing of politically connected traitors, by giving him a new job at ABC news investigative unit and blog, "the blotter": http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/arc..._21.php#012059 |
c'mon guys, get real. This is a totally nonpartisan phenomenon. Have you forgotten Ron Brown? Webster Hubbell? Henry Cisneros? That's just off the top of my head. With a spot of research I probably could dig stuff out on every single last administration all the way back to Sherman Adams and past that. And Congress? fuhgeddaboudit........
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There is no arguing that corruption knows no party distinction.
But, when its all said and done, I believe the recent Repub Congress with the likes of Delay, Cunningham, Ney, Doolittle, Burns, et al, will surpass Koreagate (where only one member of Congress was indicted for shading dealings with Sun Young Moon of Washington Times fame), the Keating five S&L scandal (no indictments and John McCain, one of the five, continues on) and even Abscam (the worst bribery scandal in Congressional history, although because of FBI "entrapment", there were few convictions). Ten years of power absolutely corrupted the Republicans so blatantly and pervasively that their K street project, with a goal of creating a permanent Repub majority through connections to Abramoff and other lobbyists, was their publicly and shamelessly touted pride and joy. Fortunately, too many were caught with their hands in the cookie jar. |
oh, c'mon, DcDux. you really must be joking. Either that or you're too young to remember the congressional scandal every few months back when the Dems controlled things. And it was sleazy, too: remember Fanne Foxe?
As I said, this is a nonpartisan foible of people who like power. You go to Dc, and you have to work pretty hard not to let the opportunities go to your head and maintain perspective. |
Fannie Fox...gimme a break. Do you really equate sexual escapades between consenting adults with criminal corruption for financial gain?
If so, I could probably write a book about my two+ years working in the Senate in the 80s when Bob Packwood, the Repub senator from OR was sexually harrassing the women on his staff and others on the hill with whom he had contact. Sorry loquitor, the last ten years of Repub control took corruption to a new level. Thats not to say the Dems wont ever surpass it. (hiding $100,000 of payoff money in a freezer, for example).....but the bar has certainly been set high (or low as it were) by the Delay/Abramoff crowd. |
Sitting here, I can just keep throwing names out, almost without thinking: Jim Wright. Dan Rostenkowski. (these were speakers of the house, not mere obscure congressmen). Right now, Alan Mollohan (sp?) is under investigation, this minute, today. And this is without doing a lick of research, just off the top of my head.
I think you just have to resign yourself to the fact that politicians are politicians, that being close to power breeds corruption, and that it's neither a Dem nor Rep phenomenon. The notion that there is anything unique about the lamentable way the recent Repubulican majority behaved is fanciful. I would submit, in fact, that the reason the Republicans lost their majority was precisely because their own base got disgusted that they were behaving just like the old-time Dems who they threw out in '94. |
You can cite many more individual names from the the past, but having seen alot of it up close over the last 20 years, including the influence of the K street crowd for the last 10 years, you wont change my mind about the most recent level and pervasiveness of corruption that surpassed any previous Dem-controlled Congress (that includes, as I mentioned, the Abscam Congress, the Korea-gate Congress, and the Keating-Five Congress, all recognized as among the worst scandals in Congressional history) with the most violations of federal laws, campaign regulations, and/or congressional ethics rules.
This captures the GOP Auction House pretty well, considering the source (DCCC). :) I hope the voters continue to hold both parties accountable and those elected to power learn from it. |
personally, i think that the conservative approach to economic activity creates a certain ethically challenged mode of rule.
you know, the idea that you should take everything that you can because the world is a giant private sphere and all economic activity is a productive intervention in that giant private sphere, that the extension of markets provides god with a better way to bring unto righteousness all and sundry, and that capital creates not labor, and that by extending the reach of market relations one is doing gods work, and that god's work relies upon the Heroic Exertion of the Entrepreneur, the capitalist demiurge, and that it is by the sweat of the virtuous brow of the Entrepreneur that the reach of god and markets (the same thing, really) is extended across otherwise benighted sections of the giant private sphere, that this extension improves that giant private sphere----and since it is by the sweat of one's brow that the giant private sphere is improved, it follows that one is entitled to take whatever one can get as compensation for the expenditure of the aforementioned sweat and the dirtying of the aforementioned virtuous brow----and since one's virtue is confirmed by the giantness of the mounds of cash that flow through the private business apparatus it follows that the magnitude of what one can take as compensation rises as one's virtue rises--so it follows that one is affirmed in one's righteousness as one gathers ever-larger amounts of cash unto oneself--and that within this Exalted Sphere of Righteousness that is vast wealth, the fashioning of networks and sweetheart deals and nobid contract arrangements and nepotism and other such actions that would be counted as ethical lapses amongst the Fallen are not understood that way--all actions are the simple extension of Righteousness. it would also follow that people who misinterpret the actions of the Righteous as being ethically problematic are probably tainted with the original sin of class envy. "they" resent us because they resent our Righteousness. "they" are the devil's spawn. sadly, i am not joking. |
One of the fastest growing "economic activities" in the last six years is influence peddling (ie lobbying).
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...one nation, under God, indivisible....with freedom and justice for everyone except....those who Karl Rove decides....are "gone".
No wonder "they hate us for our freedom"! The thugs made a mistake...allowing li'l Mclatchy News to buy Knight Ridder, last year. If Ruppert or somebody from CNP (Salem) had bought it, a lot of these embarassing "scoops" wouldn't get publicized: Quote:
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Prediction: Now that Brent Wilkes has finally been convicted, former chairman of the House Defense Appropriations Committee, Rep. Jerry Lewis (R-CA) may be next to be indicted, because Wilkes will roll over on him in exchange for a reduction in his prison sentence....I'm assuming an earnest prosecution team would also demand that Wilkes cooperate in the prosecution of his life-long, best bud, former #3 at CIA, Kyle "Dusty" Foggo. I'm impressed, because, as I've recapped below, the hollowed out DOJ under Fredo Gonzales seemed to be obstructing investigations and prosecutions that should be considered "vital" in an all out, "War on Terror".....
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<a href="http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/showthread.php?t=92438">Are Ted Olson and Al Zarqawi both "Supermen"?</a> .....yeah the "Ted Olson" whose name is mentioned as Gonzales's replacement as Atty. General: Quote:
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I've "studied" this "mess" for the last 28 months.....this is a ticking time bomb, and if republicans think that they can "defuse" it, by bringing "Ted the Fixer" in to replace Gonzales, right after he installs the prosecutor, Deborah Yang who was investigating Jerry Lewis, onto Lewis's criminal defense team, consider what "Ted" once told the SCOTUS justices: Quote:
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Regarding the OP (and disregarding the subsequent flurry of quote posts):
Politicians do not love or hate freedom, it is simply a concept they will exploit to further thier own ends. This goes for Bush, Bin Laden, Cheney, Clinton, Zawahiri, Obama and Giuliani. Do you actually think any of the above mentioned have your interests at heart? |
7th grade civics class notes:
Politics are the road you follow to place yourself into power. |
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