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*high five to DKSuddeth*
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Peace is far more powerful than violence.
The strongest show of peace will win every time. When a peaceful person lays dead at the hands of a violent person... the violent person has controlled nothing. In fact, they have lost control. They have proven that violence is not absolute power... it is the ultimate display of impotence, compensated for by aggression. |
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Wanna test this theory about people feeling bad about killing others? I bet you wouldn't say that silliness if you saw the brain-splattered insides of the Afghani trucks we rolled up on outside Waza Kwa. Looked like a horror movie... except for the smell and flies buzzing in my ears. Tell me again about how noble peace is, how peace changes all. "Only the dead have seen the end of war." Life could be that war. |
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Nobody has proven the afterlife is all that awesome and features an endless supply of animal crackers.
I'll take being evil and alive over dead and righteous any day. |
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Baraka_Guru vs. Crompsin! Moral faceoff! GO! |
I'm actually a GI Joe kinda guy at my core... ya know, beneath all the bullshit.
I've risked my ass for a lot of low-quality human beings in my day. I only did said things because I thought they was honorable. My choices didn't even make sense half the time. My life is based on a weird sense of honor. Without said honor? My life is pointless. ... The mantra rings: "I am the reactor that glows in my chest, I am the rust that corrodes my will. I am my worst enemy, I am my best friend." The control: Damn... I have to live with me and what I've done. There is a brilliant thesis out there on this. Maybe entitled "Mobile Conscience" or something similar. ... You win. Matching brains with you would require me to have something other than an Ocean Spray craisin (TM) attached to the top of my spine, bro. |
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If you kill a person in peaceful protest, you haven't won anything. You've just proven that you're only able to feel victorious by killing your opposition. I also didn't say peace "changes all". I simply said it's more powerful. |
Way to much for me to read in one sitting, but feel the need to throw in my 2 cents. Will is the source of power, not violence. Violence is just one means of expressing that will. A very effective one, at that. But it only works against those that don't have the will to stand up against it. Power, in it's usage here, would be best described as control of another person or group. How you gain that control does not matter. That is just an expression of your will. If you can show, through violence or any other means, that your will is stronger, then you have the power. Violence is just a means to an end. I can't help but think of a Robert Hienlein quote. "you can't conquer a free man; the most you can do is kill him"
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I got a small brain that lacks a lot of nooks and crannies. This is what I figure: Without emotions there would be minimal conflict on this planet. Some feeling is always involved. Especially in this "peaceful protest" you refer to here. Group A "feels" like Group B should stop doing Activity C. Group B beats the crap outta Group A and probably continues doing Activity C. As westerners... we give pop culture virtues a lot of weight in a very violent world. We're not surrounded by Peter Frampton fans... not everybody wants to feel like we do. Peace is more civilized, more creative, more productive... clearly the more balanced path... but I would suggest it is less powerful than the focused force of violence. Thermodynamics might say peace is potential energy, that violence is kinetic energy. The first law of thermodynamics applies. Meh. Just a thought. |
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There is a fine line between evil and surviving. I don't feel evil but my very existence is built on a pile of dead, but tasty, animals. My being in this country is based on some people being mean and kicking other people living here out. My genetic line is undoubtedly been perpetuated by violence, exploitation and even cannibalism at some point. Its the old, is it wrong to steal a loaf of bread to feed your starving family question. |
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Hi-ho, Crompsin!
The ability to do violence leads to its use. We have alternatives, don't we (?) We are as equipped to love as we are to kill. (I love you, though.) |
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But the concept of honor varies from culture to culture.
Retreat was a viable option to US soldiers during WWII. Retreat was worse than death to Japanese soldiers. Saving your life is irrelevant if your culture doesn't approve of how you did it. |
I will not drag this into goofiness - I hope.
Those violent see its utility and those peaceful see its lack. Philosophical differences make all the differences, until violence kills and "wins" until the next go-round, when it'll probably "win" again - if not morally, at least in reality, for a little while. IT IS JUST US HERE, PEOPLE! I hope it's okay to cry. Kudos on this thread, my hero! |
Blegch. No kudos should be awarded for this poo-poo. Just a random muse. I simply went with a notion and kept pushing until it was mostly exhausted. Sometimes a debate is more fun when you tout for the side in which you don't actually believe.
I suppose it would be a footnote of minor consequence now... but this thread doesn't apply to my personal life philosophy in the over-the-top extreme it is represented here by speculation / conjecture. Despite my former occupation and hobbies, I am not at all a violent person. Sure, crying is okay. "Everybody hurts." ... The awesome people of this forum have helped me learn quite a bit about both the world around me and myself. |
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