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Is this jeep worth purchasing?
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Price $7,880 Mileage 118,799 Engine 6 Cylinder Gasoline Transmission 5 Speed Manual Drive Type 4 wheel drive Fuel Type Gasoline I'm going down there on saturday to look at it and drive it, and discuss pricing |
it seems to be missing its antenna :x
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i dont know whata jeep like that goes for... but it looks pretty nice... i really like those jeeps
price it at the kelly blue book web page... see what they say its worth www.kbb.com if all those miles are easy highway/city miles its a better deal then if a lot of those miles are big time off road miles, the off road miles are way harder on a vehicle |
What year? I know it's pre-97, but that makes a big difference in price.
KBB says 5200 private party and 7300 retail for good condition '96 sahara. (Really, newest YJ build was 95 but they cleared inventory through 96 while tooling for the TJ.) Options we don't know about are 30" tires, Trak-Loc, audio, etc. Starting price isn't a steal but pictures never tell the whole story. You might want to hunt for a sport. The Sahara package was sort of a sport with Eddie Bauer colors, and price penalty. |
its a 94 ..
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94=7125 retail, 5035 private. (my location, good condition)
With any 4x4 find some gravel and check the different 4x4 modes. It doesn't have to shift like silk but street jeeps often have tcase issues from lack of 4x4 use. If you can't find a mode, ask and make sure they can. Make a semi-quick launch in 4x4 low. Does it jump to N or another mode? (could be internal problem or just linkage, but it's a good way to knock a couple $hundred off the price.) Open the air cleaner and look for oil drools on the filter or down the filter box. Tells you if owner watched the CCV orifice and probably other things. Look for sludge under the oil fill cap. Rust on the dipstick. The 4.0L is bulletproof if the lube has been taken care of, but it doesn't like sludge. That one's old enough to have history. If you're making an appointment, ask that they NOT warm it up. You need to listen and test it cold. Changes how everything shifts, and how the engine sounds. If you near knocking while cold it could be the usual pre-99 4.0L piston slap or something worse. They may not know 4.0L's so it can be another price helper. Get under the front and look up at the linkage as someone cranks the steering from lock to lock. If you see any up/down movement (anything but rotation) in the steering joints at full turn it means worn joints and a couple $hundred. As mentioned, look underneath for evidence of off-roading. If you see long scratches or dents it usually means some crawling or crashing. That takes its toll on the best vehicle. Off-roading might have been mild and fine, but from here all bets are off. Good time to look for oil leaks. If they've cleaned it, look closely at engine, trans, and tcase seals. Front and rear diffs, too. The rear D35 yoke seal is a common drooler and you'll pay $100+ up to have it and the crush-sleeve replaced correctly. Jiffy lube or other shortcuts cost less but can mean gear problems later. See if it tracks straight at highway speed. Any shakes? Are lane changes okay or white-knuckle? Modification and abuse possibilities are endless, and can cause problems for street use. Of course, if they have records that's always a plus. Granted, it isn't an Accord, but a bit of inspection can improve your chances or at least your price. Edit: Another off-roading sign: check for evidence of tow hook use. |
I was going to post the carfax info i got but i cant find it anymore...I'll look some more...
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1. ACCIDENT CHECK
Total Loss Check NO Severe Accident or Total Loss Event Reported to DMV - Buyback Guarantee! Other Accident Indicators NO Accident Indicator Found 2. MILEAGE ACCURACY CHECK Truth-In-Mileage Check NO Odometer Problems Reported to DMV - Buyback Guarantee! Odometer Rollback Check No Potential Odometer Rollback Found Mileage Consistency Check Inconsistent Odometer Reading Found 3. LEMON CHECK(R) NO Mfr. Buyback Reported to DMV - Buyback Guarantee! 4. OWNERSHIP CHECK Number of owners 2 Estimated Owner(s) Type of owners Originally Registered as a Personal Vehicle 5. RECALL CHECK JEEP does not report recalls to CARFAX 6. WARRANTY CHECK No Data Reported to CARFAX DETAILED VEHICLE HISTORY 15 HISTORY RECORDS REPORTED -------------------------------------------------------------------------- VEHICLE DESCRIPTION -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Year/Make/Model: 1994 JEEP WRANGLER SAHARA/YJ Body Style: 2 DR WAGON SPORT UTILITY Engine: 4.0L L6 HO MPI Fuel: GASOLINE Driveline: 4 WHEEL DRIVE Safety Equipment: 4 Wheel ABS Optional, Active (manual) belts Standard Equipment: Power Steering, Air Conditioning Optional, AM / FM, Power Brakes, Tilt Wheel Optional, 6-digit Odometer -------------------------------------------------------------------------- SECTION 1 ACCIDENT CHECK -------------------------------------------------------------------------- TOTAL LOSS CHECK: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ * GOOD NEWS! No severe damage events were ever reported by a DMV for this 1994 JEEP WRANGLER SAHARA/YJ. If you find that any of the following severe problems were reported by a DMV and not included in this report, CARFAX will buy this vehicle back. You must register to activate this free guarantee! *OK* Salvage Title *OK* Loss Due to Fire Title *OK* Junk Title *OK* Flood Damage Title *OK* Rebuilt/Reconstructed Title *OK* Hail Damage Title *OK* Dismantled Title *OK* Canadian Total Loss OTHER ACCIDENT INDICATORS: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ This 1994 JEEP WRANGLER SAHARA/YJ had no accident indicators reported to CARFAX from its sources. This section checks for accidents and/or related damage reported from many public and private sources. Not all accidents are reported to CARFAX. A vehicle inspection completed by your dealer or professional mechanic is recommended. Salvage Auction Record..............> NO Salvage Auction Record Reported Fire Damage Record..................> NO Fire Damage Record Reported Crash Test Vehicle Record...........> NO Crash Test Vehicle Record Reported Airbag Deployment Record............> NO Airbag Deployment Record Reported Frame Damage Record.................> NO Frame Damage Record Reported Damage Disclosure Record............> NO Damage Disclosure Record Reported Police Accident Record..............> NO Police Accident Record Reported Collision Repair Facility Record....> NO Collision Repair Facility Reported -------------------------------------------------------------------------- SECTION 2 MILEAGE ACCURACY CHECK -------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRUTH-IN-MILEAGE CHECK: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ * RESULT: GOOD NEWS! No major odometer problems were ever reported by a DMV under the Truth-In-Mileage Act for this 1994 JEEP WRANGLER SAHARA/YJ. If you find that any of the following odometer problems were reported by a DMV and not included in this report, CARFAX will buy this vehicle back. You must register to activate this free guarantee! *OK* Not Actual Mileage Title - issued by DMV when the owner discloses mileage fraud or a broken odometer. *OK* Exceeds Mechanical Limits Title - issued by DMV when the owner discloses an odometer rollover. ODOMETER ROLLBACK CHECK: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ * RESULT: GOOD NEWS! CARFAX found no odometer rollbacks for this 1994 JEEP WRANGLER SAHARA/YJ. Rollbacks reported in this section originate from readings collected by a DMV or other verifiable source. MILEAGE CONSISTENCY CHECK: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ * RESULT: ALERT! CARFAX analyzed the mileage history for this 1994 JEEP WRANGLER SAHARA/YJ and found an inconsistent odometer reading. CARFAX is uncertain whether this is a rollback or a clerical error. Please verify this mileage with your dealer or a qualified mechanic. Reading reported on 10/22/1996: 42,466 miles Inconsistent reading on 05/07/1997: 31,066 miles Reading reported on 05/08/1997: 31,080 miles -------------------------------------------------------------------------- SECTION 3 LEMON CHECK -------------------------------------------------------------------------- * GOOD NEWS! No manufacturer buyback was ever reported by a DMV for this 1994 JEEP WRANGLER SAHARA/YJ. If you find that a manufacturer buyback was reported by a DMV and not included in this report, CARFAX will buy this vehicle back. You must register to activate this free guarantee! -------------------------------------------------------------------------- SECTION 4 OWNERSHIP CHECK -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ownership History: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ CARFAX estimates that this 1994 JEEP WRANGLER SAHARA/YJ had 2 owner(s). CARFAX analyzed this vehicle's title history and other supporting events to identify potential ownership transfers. In compliance with the U.S. privacy laws, CARFAX does not collect or report owner names or addresses. Estimated Owners: Date: Location: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~ 1st owner 07/13/1994 California 2nd owner 07/07/1999 California Types of Owners: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ This 1994 JEEP WRANGLER SAHARA/YJ was checked for 8 types of registrations. Personal Use Registration............> Personal Use Registration Reported Lease Registration..................> NO Lease Registration Reported Rental Registration.................> NO Rental Registration Reported Taxi Registration...................> NO Taxi Registration Reported Fleet Registration..................> NO Fleet Registration Reported Commercial Registration.............> NO Commercial Registration Reported Non-Profit Registration.............> NO Non-Profit Registration Reported Built to Non U.S. Standards Record..> NO Built to Non U.S. Standards Record Reported -------------------------------------------------------------------------- SECTION 5 RECALL CHECK -------------------------------------------------------------------------- JEEP does not report recall information for specific vehicles to CARFAX. You can contact an authorized dealership or JEEP at 1-800-992-1997 to find out if this 1994 JEEP WRANGLER SAHARA/YJ still has recalls that require repair. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- SECTION 6 WARRANTY CALCULATOR -------------------------------------------------------------------------- CARFAX cannot calculate the remaining coverage for this 1994 JEEP WRANGLER SAHARA/YJ because no original manufacturer warranty information was reported to CARFAX from its source. Estimated start date of warranty: 07/13/1994 Last reading reported on 05/06/2005: True mileage unknown Today's Date: September 19, 2005 Basic Original Warranty: No data reported to CARFAX Drivetrain Original Warranty: No data reported to CARFAX Emissions Original Warranty: No data reported to CARFAX Corrosion Original Warranty: No data reported to CARFAX Transferable Original Warranty: No data reported to CARFAX Roadside Assistance Original Warranty: No data reported to CARFAX Safety Belt & Inflatable Restraint Original Warranty: No data reported to CARFAX Specific Components: No data reported to CARFAX -------------------------------------------------------------------------- DETAILED VEHICLE HISTORY -------------------------------------------------------------------------- CARFAX searched more than 3 billion records from over 5,300 sources and found 15 record(s) for this 1994 JEEP WRANGLER SAHARA/YJ. ------------------------------------------------------ Date: 07/13/1994 Information Source: California Motor Vehicle Dept. General Comments: Title issued or updated First owner reported ------------------------------------------------------ Date: 07/15/1994 Information Source: California Motor Vehicle Dept. General Comments: Registered as personal vehicle ------------------------------------------------------ Date: 10/22/1996 Odometer Reading: 42,466 Information Source: California Inspection Station General Comments: Passed emissions inspection ------------------------------------------------------ Date: 05/07/1997 Odometer Reading: 31,066 Information Source: Auto Auction Pacific SW Region General Comments: INCONSISTENT ODOMETER READING Vehicle sold CARFAX Advisor(TM) CARFAX analyzed this mileage history and is uncertain whether this reading represents a rollback or a clerical error. Please verify the mileage with your dealer or a qualified mechanic. ------------------------------------------------------ Date: 05/08/1997 Odometer Reading: 31,080 Information Source: California Inspection Station General Comments: Passed emissions inspection ------------------------------------------------------ Date: 05/15/1997 Information Source: Dealer Inventory Fremont, CA General Comments: Vehicle offered for sale ------------------------------------------------------ Date: 06/24/1997 Odometer Reading: 31,096 Information Source: Auto Auction Pacific SW Region General Comments: Vehicle sold ------------------------------------------------------ Date: 06/26/1997 Information Source: California Inspection Station Auburn, CA General Comments: Passed emissions inspection ------------------------------------------------------ Date: 07/27/1997 Odometer Reading: 31,124 Information Source: California Motor Vehicle Dept. Roseville, CA General Comments: Odometer reading reported for title or registration ------------------------------------------------------ Date: 06/14/1999 Odometer Reading: 64,990 Information Source: California Inspection Station Roseville, CA General Comments: Failed emissions inspection Designated GROSS POLLUTER ------------------------------------------------------ Date: 06/24/1999 Odometer Reading: 66,283 Information Source: California Inspection Station Roseville, CA General Comments: Passed emissions inspection ------------------------------------------------------ Date: 07/07/1999 Information Source: California Motor Vehicle Dept. Roseville, CA General Comments: Title issued or updated New owner reported ------------------------------------------------------ Date: 09/01/2002 Information Source: California Motor Vehicle Dept. Roseville, CA General Comments: Title issued or updated ------------------------------------------------------ Date: 06/02/2003 Odometer Reading: 102,145 Information Source: California Inspection Station General Comments: Passed emissions inspection ------------------------------------------------------ Date: 05/06/2005 Odometer Reading: 118,552 Information Source: California Inspection Station General Comments: Passed emissions inspection ------------------------------------------------------ NOTE: You have significantly reduced your risk of purchasing a vehicle with a hidden problem. However, CARFAX has not inspected this vehicle. There could be other potential problems with this vehicle that have not been reported to CARFAX. CARFAX recommends a vehicle inspection by a professional mechanic. NOTE: Not all titles issued represent a change in vehicle ownership. For example, a title could be issued to reflect an address change or correction. Detailed Vehicle History Definitions: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Failed Emissions Inspection - The emissions check performed during a vehicle inspection indicated the vehicle was emitting more than allowable emissions standards and/or had missing or modified parts. Repeated failed emissions records can indicate engine problems and CARFAX recommends you have the vehicle inspected. First Owner - A state issues a title to provide a vehicle owner with proof of ownership. When a title is issued to the first owner of a new vehicle, CARFAX labels the title record with "First Owner". Mileage Inconsistency - If a more recent odometer reading is less than an older reading but CARFAX is uncertain whether the discrepancy is a rollback or a clerical error, then CARFAX calls it a "Mileage Inconsistency". In this case, you should verify the mileage with your dealer or a qualified mechanic. New Owner Reported - When a vehicle is sold to a new owner, the Title must be transferred to the new owner(s) at a Department of Motor Vehicles. CARFAX identifies this event and labels the title record as "New Owner Reported". Personal Use - Vehicle was registered by the owner for private or personal use. |
Gross polluter and inconsistant milage...
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I wouldn't worry too much about the one emissions failure. Many tests since have passed.
The mileage thing was right when it became a hot potato at auction and dealers for two months. Not a good sign. Unless the gauges were changed and not reported I'd be careful even at the 130K mile price. ($6775 retail) |
yeah, thats what had me worried too...i wonder why it went to auction in the first place
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i think it was suppose to be 24...and the tech fucked up...
if not then i dont know... Im still checking it out saturday |
Here is my two cents regarding Jeeps. It is all about what you want to do with it and what has been done to it. I have a newer Jeep (2004 Rubicon with a bunch of extras, it from the outside it looks kinda trashed but a jeep guy would know what he is getting into).
Here is my things, at 94 I suspect there are leaf springs on the rig. This may mean a fairly harsh ride around down and there are some people that run from leaf springs offroad. Do you want this for a city vehicle? If so the 33's on it with the possible 3.10 gearing might make it just a dog to drive around. PM me or something if you have any more questions. |
My mom has a 94 that i use to drive all the time, i plan on getting a 5 inch lift CSC (Coil spring Conversion) from work and throwing 33"s under it...for now
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...I like the old school leaf springs, but not for any particular reason beyond the fact that they are completely outdated...by like 25 years.
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I sent him an email asking what exactly happened to the license plae, and that deadending red wire and the black wire under the dash...
fuck those pictures are a lot bigger than i thought they were :x |
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I wouldn't touch a lifted jeep with a ten foot pole. Especially one with two owners, an imperfect carfax history, and a price higher the KBB.
Get a stock one and modify it yourself. Much better assurance of a job done right. Gauranteed the alignment is whacked, and this thing has been pounded off road by someone who thought they were the tomb raider. I agree...WAY TOO many question marks in the sellers reply. MY opinion...PASS. -bear |
heres the email i sent to the dealer:
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luckily i do work in a 4x4 shop so i get to ask customers and retailers about stuff like this, and you forums whores, and jeepforums, the common concensus is to keep my dick in my pants an wait... unless he changes the price severly
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That's STEEP dude, i could buy one of those with less miles for $4k.
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REAL JEEPS HAVE ROUND HEADLIGHTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO |
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So only the CJ and TJ count?...and the liberty...? |
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Prior to the 1987 model year, jeeps had big ole round headlights, and in 87 they changed them to the square headlights, which also brought alot of 'refinement' to the jeep, commonly and generally disdained by the true jeepster as not as rugged and/or off-road capable. In fact, the expression grew such that Chrysler returned to round headlights (in 97 with the TJ I think), some believe, almost exclusively to make it a non-issue. Here's an interesting look at jeep history FYI, -bear |
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Well, I have a WJ, it does not have round headlights. So, don't be offended.I was talking about the wrangler/cj line. But seriously, that model above, you can get one for much less. It's not that bad of a vehicle, but I would look for the newer model at that price, the updated interior is much nicer. |
Yeap. None of my ZJ's have round headlights, but i prefer to fourwheel with AC and subs in the back :-)
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i wouldnt buy anything with that many miles from a dealer for more then a grand. if your going to spend that much money on a jeep or something with over 100k buy it from the owner not a dealer. spend 2grand and have 5 left to fix whatever is wrong. 5 grand means hey new engine and trans if worst comes to worst but then you have fresh stuff to put another 100k on at least.
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Not when i have no cash, and need a vehicle asap. so if i have to finance it why not finance it with a minor lift, new wheels and tires, and the deluxe model with all the extra whos-yer-daddy's? plus i already bought it. |
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Congraulations!! I was looking at the latest pics and it is really clean and neat under the hood. I hope you bargained a little. Jeeps Rule the Trails!! Have Fun and wear your seat belt! |
i bargained a couple hundred off, sales tax and CA temp insurance F'ed me...
ill get some pics of it with he bumpers and such on |
Congrats Dude....lot's of aftermarket and enthusiast support for the entire Jeep line. Check jcwhitney, they have a whole section in their catalog dedicated to jeep replacement parts...from entire tubs to every single piece of the body, tops (hard and soft) doors, everything. I know there are many more, and probably better sources, but everytime I get a jcwhitney catalog I wish they had a section for vintage Bronco's.
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My 'ole 69 Bronco has pulled and/or recovered several jeeps from precarious situations after thinking this very same thing. -bear |
I learned to drive in my moms 94 wrangler 8 years ago, wanted one ever since...
everybody and their mother makes parts for the damn things, and there is a large stockpile of perfectly good use stuff from when people upgrade things. |
Here's an unnecessary update 3 years later :D
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2354/...9bf8bafe_o.jpg http://urbandev.net/jeepflex.jpg http://urbandev.net/jeepflex2.jpg http://urbandev.net/jeepflex3.jpg http://www.urbandev.net/jeepstucksand4.jpg http://www.urbandev.net/jeepstucksand.jpg http://urbandev.net/jeepsubflex.jpg And yes, my plates do say ERROR, that's not photoshopped :D |
I'm usually not a fan of necroed threads. This is a glaring exception.
Thanks for the update, urbandev. |
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glad to see it turned out to be a good purchase for ya |
I wish my liberalness would let me buy something like that.
That is a great jeep. |
it's looking good. what's the mileage now?
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Milage: 164,005
Mods/Upgrades done: Replaced & upgraded transfer case and rear driveshaft (the stock DS blew a u-joint going over donner at 2am, drove back to reno with no rear DS in 4wd) Replaced/Upgraded exhaust system (the above issue lead to the demise of my facoty muffler, as the shaft beat the hell out of it) Warn bumpers front and rear (they had the spare mounted to the tailgate, so when i would open the tailgate - it would fal about 2 inches due to the weight) KC lights and windshield mounts Front locker & posi-lock Tuffy overhead radio console with scanner and cb - rear antenna mounts(everyone bashed their knees on the little cb that was mounted under the dash) New, upgraded front springs - Rubicon express 4.5 XD (I ran it into a ditch in the snow and bent the pass front spring, so i had to upgrade) Cut those lame map bags off the seat as they served no purpose Replaced lame cassette player with lame cd player Threw lame spring mounted license plate mount in the trash and mounted plate on the spare Took factory center console out, ran it over and threw it away. (it had a screw poking out on the lid...it poked me so i killed it) Added a ton of scratches, bent the front passenger side fender a little and creased the hood (I'm stupid and tried to pull forward toward the garage with the hood up resting on the windshield) Overall I'm pleased with the purchase :D |
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