Tilted Forum Project Discussion Community

Tilted Forum Project Discussion Community (https://thetfp.com/tfp/)
-   Tilted Fun Zone (https://thetfp.com/tfp/tilted-fun-zone/)
-   -   "YOU'RE FIRED!!!" (https://thetfp.com/tfp/tilted-fun-zone/49609-youre-fired.html)

Hanxter 03-19-2004 07:54 AM

"YOU'RE FIRED!!!"
 
Trump bags 'You're fired' pay-off line

US billionaire and property tycoon Donald Trump is set to copyright the phrase 'You're fired!'

T-shirts with the words, You're Fired, written across them have already gone on sale at the famous New York department store, Bloomingdales.

So he has filed a request with the US Patent and Trademark Office that companies be banned from using the catchphrase on any merchandise without his permission.

linkage

Charlatan 03-19-2004 09:26 AM

That's just ridiculous.

God of Thunder 03-19-2004 09:43 AM

I don't think so. They are trying to capitalize on his show without him getting any of the profits. He is just trying to make sure that he controls the merchandising of the show that he is executive producer of.


Translation:

Bloomingdales: Oooh there's a new catch phrase out, lets make some money off of it.

Trump: You're fired



sorry, couldn't help myself.

water_boy1999 03-19-2004 09:43 AM

Is there no end to the madness???

Seriously, Trump is either really smart for capitalizing on the catch phrase, or he is a real dumbass for capitalizing on the catch phrase.

shakran 03-19-2004 09:44 AM

why?

the smileyface is copyrighted.

Shit Happens is copyrighted.

"big johnson" is copyrighted.

Why can't "you're fired" be copyrighted. why would trump want to spend all the money required to develop this line of merchandise only to have some asshole make cheap knockoffs and then undersell him?

Midnight_Son 03-19-2004 10:26 AM

you know...you're suppose to send some shmuck a check everytime you sing "happy birthday" too....

FaderMonkey 03-19-2004 10:29 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by cnor
you know...you're suppose to send some shmuck a check everytime you sing "happy birthday" too....
That's true...I don't think "Happy Birthday" is public domain yet.

Batman976 03-19-2004 11:47 AM

I have a friend who used to randomly tell people they were fired all the time. He should have trademarked it back then. What the hell was he thinking?

I'm going to have to start trademarking every little thing I say more than once a day. That way when it becomes a hugely popular catch phrase I'll sell my rights for thousands of dollars.

I was yelling "WHAAAAATT?" years ago, before Dave Chapelle did the Lil' Jon sketch on his show. Lately everytime I go out I hear at least one person yell it. Now it's already so annoying I die a little inside everytime I hear it.

grumpyolddude 03-19-2004 02:54 PM

Unfortunately, I've had opportunity to use the phrase way too much lately.

It's been about three weeks, actually. **looks around the store ominously**

balderdash111 03-19-2004 03:17 PM

Ok, folks, here's the deal on this, and it ain't as bad as you think...

Trump isn't trying to copyright "you're fired" he's trying to trademark it. There is a HUGE difference.

A copyright is a right of authorship and it means people can't copy from you. If he were to copyright the phrase "you're fired" it would effectively be taken out of the lexicon. It is largely for this reason that you can't copyright a common phrase like this.

But that's not what he did. He sought a trademark.

A trademark is a designator of goods and services. In other words, a trademark is something you use to identify yourself as the source of a product. "Coke" is a trademark - when you see it, you think the product being sold under that name is from Coca Cola.

You can get a trademark registration in 2 ways:

1) Use the mark as a source identifier, and then apply for the mark claiming first use. That means you tell the Patent and Trademark Office that you have a trademark and you have been using it since ______ date.

2) File the mark as an "intent to use" application, where you basically say "I mean to use this mark, so I'd like to get my application on record before everyone starts copying me."

Trump is doing the latter.

The other thing you do when you establish a trademark is you identify the types of products you sell using the mark. Just having a trademark on the word "Apple" (to use a classic example) doesn't mean you get to stop everyone else from using the word "apple." It means you get to stop others from using the word "apple" to sell the same things you do. (This, incidentally, is why Apple Records and Apple Computer are in a fight: everything was fine and dandy until Apple Computer started selling music)

So, what Trump is doing is saying "hello world, I mean to start marketing some products under the trademark "You're fired""

Ah, and what line of products does he claim he wants to sell? Games, playthings and casino services. He's not trying to stop people from saying "you're fired" at work or anywhere else. (incidentally, I read into this that Trump is exploring a home version of "The Apprentice," as well as some sort of casino game - I'd be interested in seeing what his deal with Burnett and NBC has to say about that).

The simple fact is that if nobody else uses the phrase to sell games, playthings and clothing, then he has every right to start and to stop others from doing so after him.

FYI, he's also seeking a mark for clothing, but only for the phrase "You're fired! Donald Trump." Based on a quick perusal of the PTO web site, it seems he was not first at the door for "you're fired" all by itself when it comes to clothing.

Conclamo Ludus 03-19-2004 05:34 PM

I'm copyrighting "too bad, I quit".

queedo 03-19-2004 08:28 PM

Spike Lee sued Spike TV and won! Spike lee said that they were making money of his name. He did invent the word spike after all.

TopRamen66 03-19-2004 10:44 PM

"Lets Roll" is trademarked by some lady in my area actually. I've always wanted to tradmark the words "fuck" or possibly "fuck you" after hearing that this is possible. I'd be FUCK-ing rich.

Scorps 03-20-2004 08:24 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by queedo
Spike Lee sued Spike TV and won! Spike lee said that they were making money of his name. He did invent the word spike after all.
Omg he own that....thats bullshit! his real name isn't even spike!

balderdash111 03-20-2004 03:24 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Conclamo Ludus
I'm copyrighting "too bad, I quit".

Um... no, the case settled. That doesn't mean that the Spike TV people (Viacom) thought he would win. Rather, they realized that it would cost more to fight than was worth it - plus the downside of losing was huge..

H12 03-20-2004 08:45 PM

Vince McMahon is goin' to be furious when he hears about this.

illesturban 03-21-2004 10:52 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by queedo
Spike Lee sued Spike TV and won! Spike lee said that they were making money of his name. He did invent the word spike after all.
no uhhh you're wrong buddy. They settled that lawsuit. You can read for yourself here: http://inventors.about.com/b/a/007680.htm

and feel free to look more into it on other sites as it's all over the place. Be sure to get your facts right before you spout off information incriminating someone. :rolleyes:

but yeah i think this is hilarious about the "you're fired" thing. At first I too thought he was trying to copyright it, but now that it's been put more into perspective for me, I don't see it as that bad of an idea; he's just trying to make sure no one else can come along w/ a tv show w/ the tagline "you're fired," (which now people do associate with Donald Trump I think) and possibly get more rich than him.

balderdash111 03-22-2004 08:38 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by illesturban
he's just trying to make sure no one else can come along w/ a tv show w/ the tagline "you're fired," (which now people do associate with Donald Trump I think) and possibly get more rich than him.
Actually, he's not doing that. Mark Burnett (the producer) is.

Trump is trying to get a mark for casino services and games.

Hanxter 03-31-2004 08:09 AM

Careful Donald - YOU may be fired...
 
Trump may have competition in Illinois
By Del Jones, USA TODAY

Donald Trump's attempt to trademark the phrase, "You're fired!" may falter in Glenview, Ill. A woman there who named her ceramics studio You're Fired! in 1997 says she will fight the billionaire.

Susan Brenner, 54, filed for the trademark in 1998, but the filing is listed as "dead" by the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office, possibly because she did not pay renewal fees. But she plans to claim common-law rights to its use. Her lawyer mailed a letter Tuesday warning Trump not to license "You're fired!" merchandise in the area reached by Brenner's mailing list of 5,000 clients, which extends into Indiana, Ohio and Wisconsin.

linkage


All times are GMT -8. The time now is 06:08 AM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0 PL2
© 2002-2012 Tilted Forum Project


1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 73 74 75 76 77 78 79 80 81 82 83 84 85 86 87 88 89 90 91 92 93 94 95 96 97 98 99 100 101 102 103 104 105 106 107 108 109 110 111 112 113 114 115 116 117 118 119 120 121 122 123 124 125 126 127 128 129 130 131 132 133 134 135 136 137 138 139 140 141 142 143 144 145 146 147 148 149 150 151 152 153 154 155 156 157 158 159 160 161 162 163 164 165 166 167 168 169 170 171 172 173 174 175 176 177 178 179 180 181 182 183 184 185 186 187 188 189 190 191 192 193 194 195 196 197 198 199 200 201 202 203 204 205 206 207 208 209 210 211 212 213 214 215 216 217 218 219 220 221 222 223 224 225 226 227 228 229 230 231 232 233 234 235 236 237 238 239 240 241 242 243 244 245 246 247 248 249 250 251 252 253 254 255 256 257 258 259 260 261 262 263 264 265 266 267 268 269 270 271 272 273 274 275 276 277 278 279 280 281 282 283 284 285 286 287 288 289 290 291 292 293 294 295 296 297 298 299 300 301 302 303 304 305 306 307 308 309 310 311 312 313 314 315 316 317 318 319 320 321 322 323 324 325 326 327 328 329 330 331 332 333 334 335 336 337 338 339 340 341 342 343 344 345 346 347 348 349 350 351 352 353 354 355 356 357 358 359 360