Darth Maul vs. Count dooku
 

Well saw this topic on imdb so thought I would bring it here...

Who would win if they met face to face?

My vote goes to Maul because he is fast and fights with an extreme movement in fighting style... But what do you guys think

Dooku... wise in the force and probably more powerful... Could crush a novice like Maul.

Maul was an apprentice, so he was still learning. So I'd have to say Dooku. If they had equal time spent studying though I would have to say Maul.

Maul never really had a chance to show his stuff really. Cut down (he he) in the prime of his evil years. I felt he was a bit of a tease, really. Would have like to see more of him.

Typical Lucas

Kills off his most creative character next to Boba Fett... who he *kinda* kills off as well...

What kind of "genius" kills off all his best characters? What a knob.

yeah, i was furious that jar jar lived to see episode two while maul was killed off immediately. qui-gon was my favorite character in episode 1 but neither he or maul made it far. lucas is frustrating.

however, dooku would clean up on maul... no doubt about it. maul was beat by a young obi-wan while dooku held his own against yoda in his prime. that's enough for me.

argh, I hate the new star wars. You know what i always wondered, why didn't you see Darth Vader use the force that much in the original star wars? He choked a guy, thats all I really noticed. I mean, what's the deal with that?

It was over 20 years ago. Perhaps Lucas has been evolving his ideas? Hmmm?

Also, if you remember, the Empire folks didn't believe in that "ancient religion" any longer. Once all the Jedi Knights were gone, there were very few left who could use the Force.

Mr Mephisto

PS - I can't believe I actually contributed to this thread. Must. Kill. Geekiness...

Dooku would win because Maul reminds him of Quilsang Kre, the first being that Dooku killed for calling him "dooky head". :D

^ haha

Asta!!

Giving an answer in this thread would just go to show how much of a Star Wars geek/fan/nerd I am, so instead I will just point and laugh at all of you awkwardly.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Dooku because he is more powerful and is much more skilled than Maul, however Maul is still more bad ass

I said nothing you geek.

well maul had kenobi but he dident expect that he would just like that jump up and have his saber plus maul fights 2 jedi knights at the same time...

You know, there are more than one Zabrak, just cause he looked cool and had a sweet double light sabre, people think he is the best thing to ever come out of Lucas. Dooku would blaze him down in lightning, then go take a crap.

If kenobi could block dookus lightning with his saber I would guess maul also could...

And I think Maul also is so cool because he is the first zabrak in the star wars films

So did dooky and he pimped both of em..not just one of them.

Asta!!

Three of them from a certain point of view.

Well dooku was fighting three but not at the same time maul fought with two at the same time...

wow! im a star wars fan but i didnt know maul was a zabrak...
<---giving up his fanboyness

I doubt Maul could have taken on Yoda. Dooku managed to hold off the greatest jedi long enough to distract him by trying to crush Kenobi and Skywalker.
DO NOT READ THIS IF YOU VALUE THE EXPERIENCE OF WATCHING STARWARS WITHOUT KNOWING WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.
Spoiler: The movie opens with 10 minutes of the best cgi space battle in history, after the ten minutes, Anikin defeats Dooku by beheading him with two lightsabers (the red lightsaber is later adopted as Vader's , and the blue becomes Luke's). Dooku being dead, Grevious becomes the lead seperatist under Sideous. This leads me to believe that Dooku, despite being the padewan of Yoda, is far from the great and powerful Jedi he is made out to be in Episode II. He is more of a politician than a fighter. Maul, on the other hand, was a bread fighter. I think that he was technically superrior to Dooku, but only fell short in experience with force powers. Had Maul trained more with force powers like lightning, I would say they were an even match.
I do agree that Darth Maul was overrated by fans. He was powerful and important, but he was not this amazing character everyone seems to think he is. I would have liked to see his character developed more. Maybe the Kamino cloners can crank out a few. :thumbsup:

Off topic: Couldn't Yoda have just moved them out of the way, rather then trying to lift that big ass whatever?

well we dont know if maul is any good with the force but i think he beats ass with his saber...

And yes george lucas should have kept him alive so we could se a bad ass sith knight in the episode 3


willravel : How do you know that about the movie...

The script got leaked on here a loooooooooong time ago..like last year. If you search it should be around. It tells the entire movie from begining to end though..it'd spoil the whole movie for you really. I read it though because I don't particularly care THAT much...any idiot could have put two and two together and figured out what was going to happen without reading the script anyway.

Asta!!

hmm nice well i wont read it i will rather se it on the screen and now where General Grevious is one of the bad guys I just have to see the final design of him pretty much orgasmed when i saw the concept pictures of him...

^ Never tell anyone that again m'kay? :thumbsup:

Asta!!

Darth Maul would win because he has a double-bladed light saber and nothing beats that. kthx.

Dooku
Lets face it Obi-wan wasted Maul as padawanand then years later as a jedi knight he can't even scratch Dooku even with the help of his apprentice who happens to become Darth-frickin-Vader. The results are clear, it took Yoda to scare Dooku away while a padawan Ben sliced Maul in half... winner: Dooku

I say dooku.
in response to wiilravel above-

DO NOT READ THIS IF YOU VALUE THE EXPERIENCE OF WATCHING STARWARS WITHOUT KNOWING WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.
Spoiler:
" Anikin defeats Dooku by beheading him with two lightsabers (the red lightsaber is later adopted as Vader's , and the blue becomes Luke's). Dooku being dead, Grevious becomes the lead seperatist under Sideous. This leads me to believe that Dooku, despite being the padewan of Yoda, is far from the great and powerful Jedi he is made out to be in Episode II. "

Yeah, well, Anakin does this right in front of the "kidnapped" Palpatine.
Maybe Palpatine wanted Anakin to win, and had a hand in the fight, so to speak.


For what it's worth:
In the novelization, (DAMN I'm a nerd!!!) the reason Dooku is so hard to defeat is that he fights in the old style, more like fencing, than the swinging style of the two jedi. The new style is effective against blocking off blaster blasts, or whatever, but the fencing style is far better against other light sabers. Remember how Dooku's light saber looked different, curved handle, etc.. -well, that was what was originally planned, but they supposedly changed it because it didn't look as good on screen.

Revan could take both of them at once.

Darth Maul would win because Christopher Lee sucks in Episode II

Hmm I know VERY little about SW..Who is this Revan you speak of Ironchef?

Asta!!

Dooku would win because he could just use his force lightning, then it's all over for maul.

That's EXACTLY what I was thinking. Lee sucked it up (along with everyone else) in Episode 2 due to a craptacular script. Darth Maul had THE MOST BADASS CHARACTER MUSIC THEME IN ANY MOVIE EVER and had a double bladed lightsaber. Give me a break!

Oh, and Revan is one of the main bad guys in the best Star Wars game of all time, Knights of the Old Republic (which takes place 4,000 years before the first Star Wars movie). Play the game to see how the old Jedi used to get down.

-Lasereth

I see. I'll have to ask my bro n law about him.

Asta!!

That is a destinct possibility. I had considered that, but dismissed it as fanaticism. Good to know it's logical.

you should play Knights of the Old Republic for either XBox or PC. Then, when you're done, get the sequel. It tells the story of the Old Republic, which is thousands of years before Lucas' story. It's after Exar Kun's era, who is one of the greatest of the Jedi/Sith Lords. In order to explain, I have to start with the Mandalorian war.

The Mandalorians launched a campaign starting on the Outer Rim, devastating planets before the republic could send their support. The Jedi Council was reluctant to send the Jedi in aid of the republic. However, several Jedi ignored the wishes of the council and answered the call, unable to ignore the millions of innocents being slaughtered by Mandalore's forces.

The two Jedi who led those answering the call were Revan and Malak, knights who showed great potential in the force. Revan was a brilliant strategist, respected by the Mandalorians, and eventually led the republic to victory on Malachor V. While on the outer rim, however, Revan and Malak were changed. They talked the forces loyal to them into defecting and starting a new Sith legion, returning to the galaxy with a massive fleet, on a campaign to destroy the Old Republic. And so began the Jedi Civil War, which plays out over the course of the first KotOR game.

Darth Maul vs A Knight and a Padawan (Qui Gonn and Obi Wan): Result, dead Darth Maul, one dead Knight.
Dooku vs a Knight and a Padawan (Obi Wan and Anniken): Result, one injured Knight (not serious), and one maimed Padawan (missing arm). Seriously if Yoda hadnt interfered it would have been Dooku 2, Jedi nada.
My vote goes with Dooku.

In Empire, when Darth and Luke are dualing, all the debris starts flying at Luke; I think it's intended that Darth was hurling them with the Force.

Yeah, <pre>

Maul < Obi Wan
Obi Wan < Dooku
Therefore Maul < Dooku

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man how did I miss this thread..

Ok Maul.. Was a Darth but still and apprentice. Trained by I suspect the emporer. Therefore he too would have been strong in the force. he was skilled much like Exar Kun the first Sith/Jedi to weild two light sabers that attached at the ends to create a double bladed sabre.

I suspect if we had seen more of Maul he would have shown that he too was strong with the force. He not only challenged a Master and his Apprentice he Killed the master not just wounded the Master. Imho he would/should have lived through the fight between him and Obi Wan.

Dooku. Trained by Master Yoda. Lets face it .. the baddest Jedi in the Galaxy. He is strong in the Force and skilled with a Lightsaber. Cool and collected under fire. Attacked by an over zealous padawan, Anakin and his very skilled Master Obi Wan. Obi Wan although skilled in the force was also over zealous and head strong. He was confident but also by his actions asking for him and Anakin to attack in sync shows that he too felt over matched.

Although Anakin was dispatched quickly at first against the force lightning of Dooku, Obi wan was not. And held his own for a time. (not aswell admitedly as he did against Maul) Then with skill Dooku did not kill but only wounded him! Why? Because he is not a murderer. He did not want to harm either Jedi really. This shows alot of skill. He could have killed them both. Regardless of Yoda's presence.

As for how it all played out. Maul should not have been killed by such a feeble attack as the one so easily deffended upon from Obi Wan. But because of his murderous tendencies was too over confident.
Dooku was not. Skill in the force and battle is key.

Although I would have liked to see more of Maul I do think that Dooku would have ultimately put him down.

Vote: Dooku.

For all who pretend to be SW fans...how is it that you can not spell ANAKIN? :::Sigh:::
That is just SAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAD.

Anywho...Christopher Lee was much better in LOTR than he was in SW. But I'm going to vote for him because of the simple reason that I loathe Darth Maul. This being because he killed Qui Gonn. Bastard!

Spoiler: Don't worry, Qui-Gon is back in Episode III and actually teaches Yoda a lesson...

Hahahahahaha.. Nice Mr. Deflok.

Seriously.

http://www.millenniumfalcon.com/
http://boards.theforce.net/board.asp?brd=10331

I heard that got edited out though...

He got edited out but his voice is still in it (apparently).

I stayed away from spoilers for the past few weeks despite probabaly having heard them all now anyway.

Dooku, hands down.

Lets compare it to another battle, Anakin vs. Obi-wan. Who gets owned in that battle?

Both Dooku and Maul is still training in the art of the Dark Side.

Yoda said that there's only one apprentice and one master.

Maul first appeared 10 years ago in Esp I as an apprentice and was killed. Dooku is also an apprentice, although, he seemed to be more trained in the force. But if Maul wasn't killed 10 years ago, then Maul obviously would have more training than Dooku and hence, would've easily killed Dooku.

Lets not forget that Darth Maul was also a Teräs Käsi practitioner. Normally its practiced with out a weapon but Maul was working his Lightsaber into it. "quoteing the book Darth Maul: Shadow Hunter"

Maul spun on his right foot and shot his left leg out in a powerful side kick, slamming his boot into the droid's armored chest, stopping it cold. He dropped into a squat, spun the lightsaber like a scythe, and sickled the droid cleanly at the knees. Lower legs gone, it collapsed as Maul again twisted himself and his weapon, flowing into the form known as Rancor Rising. He brought the right blade up between Chain's mechanical thighs, hard, using his leg muscles to augment the strike as he pushed up from the squat to a standing position. The force of his strike bisected Chain from its crotch right through the top of its head.

So with the use of his saber and martal arts, Dooku would not have stood a chance. IMO.

Spoiler: Not really, he's only back as a ghost. Technically, he was always there, he was in Esp II, remember "Anakin! Anakin! Nooooooooooo"?

That scene is rather interesting, I forget what Qui-Gon said that made Yoda request to become his apprentice

Tie.

Spoiler: Obviously it's Obi-wan in Esp III simply because he manged to fight Anakin off to the point where Anakin falls into the Lava and become badly multiated that he needs the life support that makes Darth Vadar so famous for.

On the other hand, Anakin strikes down Obi-wan in Esp IV. (I don't care if Darth Vadar and Anakin are 2 different people for those of you who are hardcore SW fans).

Anakin 'kills' obi-wan in ANH because obi-wan lets him, theres no other way of looking at it.

If Dooku and maul were both unarmed, who do you think would win? Dooku. It's only because of a lightsabre people are actually going for maul, or saying it was a tie.
A lightsabre isn't the only thing in a jedi/sith armoury.

Spoiler: Yeah he comes back and tells Yoda that his way of the Force is outdated and incorrect and that he should respect the Living Force and learn from it. The Jedi hit a stalemate and were using the Force as a tool and regarded it as a science as opposed to a mythical force.

Qui-Gon sets that straight and Yoda goes to Dagobah where there is mass life readings (Luke says this himself) which is the best place to learn about the living force. So yes, Qui-Gon does teach him a lesson.

I thought Yoda picked Dagobah because of the fact that he once killed a Sith there that left a dark power and by going there, it cancels out his light side force so that he can hide from the new Sith order.

Sorry about thread jacking.

Maul is amazingly overrated. Yeah, he killed Qui-Gon but he couldn't do it until Obi-Wan had been separated, so it was a one on one fight. Qui-Gon isn't really that amazing of a fighter.

Obi-Wan however was kicking Maul's ass. He completely manhandled him, and I don't see how anyone could think Maul was any better than Obi-Wan. He cut the saber Mau's saber in half, and would have won but Maul snuck in a force push. Then Obi-Wan flew up and cut him in half anyway.

If Maul was no better than padawan Obi-Wan, the master Obi-Wan would annihilate him. And he was defeated by Dooku.

So easily Dooku > Maul.

Hmm. I'd go the other way. Darth Maul and Boba Fett were barely even characters at all. They were merely plot devices who performed their limited function then were disposed of. IMO, they were one-dimensional bit parts, nothing more.

Perhaps, but the coolest one-dimensional parts ever!

an ewok will win.

Imagine an army of them coming for you...

id freak out, then try to hug all of them.

I would like to say Maul but his Force powers are much weaker than Dooku's. As mentioned earlier by Kazic, Dooku has honor even though he is a Sith..so he would prefer to just battle with a jedi until either party gives up or retreats. which he did in episode 2. In a straight saber duel, Mail would win. He kicked Obi Wan's ass (for a short time) and he killed QG. His martial arts plus the dual lightsaber made him a respectable opponent.

Question, why isnt Dooku considered a 'Darth', but a 'Count'?
Spoiler: When Palpatine ordered Dooku killed in the opening sequence, Dooku looked surprised. Do you believe it was shock that his master ordered him to be killed or just that Palpatine wanted him killed..basically do you think Dooku knew who Palpatine really was.

Answer is that he WAS a darth; he was referred to as "Darth Tyrannus" by Siddious in Ep2

Maul
 

Darth Maul,

Cause.....

A. Darth Maul is and always was the SHIT.
B. Darth Maul is the coolest.
C. Count Dookuuuu has old balls.
D. Darth Maul has a double bladed lightsaber.
E. Darth Maul has wicked awesome face paint.
F. Darth Maul is way more on the dark side of the force.

Yeah

Those were tattoos.

Does anyone know of a book that talks about Darth Tyrannus?

Just in case you didn't know, and I not saying you don't, but Count Dooku and Darth Tyranus are the one and the same.

I do believe there is a novel based on him but I don't follow the EU closely so I could be mistaken.

I haven't seen any books (that doesn't mean they aren't there, but I'm usually pretty up-to-date) specifically about Dooku. I've seen (and read) one about Maul though.

So - the general feel seems to be that Maul < Dooku and that Obi-Wan > Anakin/Vader

Go for the Jedi/Sith Royal Rumble.

Starting with QuiGon, Yoda, Windu, Luke, ObiWan, Vader/Anakin, Dooku, Maul, Palpatine in the ring, who goes out in what order, and who wins in the end.

If you want to make it interesting, who allies with who durning the battles?

I think many people are missing the point that skill isn't the only thing that dictates who will win the fight. Luck is always a big contributor. We can say that Obi killed Maul but couldn't take Dooku, therefore Dooku is the best. However Anakin killed Dooku but was beaten by Obi. Therefore, couldn't that imply that Obi was better than both Anakin and Dooku? Logically, in Ep IV, the only reason why Vader was able to kill Obi was because Obi let him.