Matrix 2 and 3 DISSED by oscar
 

This is just wrong, but hey, at least peter pan is in the running! Because we all know flying effects are new to hollywood, peter pan is new to hollywood...

Ships and more Ships! M&C, Peter Pan, Pirates.

T3....didnt T2 win for best effects? Werent the effects similar?

LOTR does have some amazing visual effects and belongs here.

The hulk...no need to go there, its way to easy. X2 is a good choice for a nom.

30+ minutes of inner city war in the Matrix Rev, a 100 person plus brawl, a fantastic car chase sequence, the twins etc etc and more etc. I am extremely perturbed at this news, it shows the oscar people need a thicker perscription.


Cant hurt to sign this....
http://www.petitiononline.com/Matrix...ion-sign.html?

I wasn't that impressed by either Reloaded or Revolutions.

What about as compared to The Hulk or T3?

Online petitions are absolutely worthless.

Oh, and who gives a shit what the "academy" says anyway?

The oscars are the most coveted awards ceremony, and to not be given even a nod for your work which to me is clearly above and beyond most anything else (ROTK excluded) is just plain mean =P

Its like doing this really kick ass science experiment in school, but the kid who counted popcorn seeds over there got an award. The {matrix} brothers are gonna cry and never make kick ass science again..... bad analogy? probably =)

Online petitions, I do agree are fairly worthless but its interesting to see how many share the view (over 700 last i checked)

Well, even when you account the most horrid taste and/or judgement, either Reloaded OR Revolutions beats out, visual effects wise, AT LEAST ONE of those nominees. So the Oscars has basically been degraded as an institution with integrity.

seriously... I wouldn't say Revolutions really raised the bar.. at least not much... but I was very impressed with how well real life things blended with the CGI (and how real the CGI looked for the most part) - this, I think, is the mark of good special effects, which most of the other films did not have (even in LOTR, most of the effects can easily be picked out from the true live action)..
awards shows suck.

Couldn't have said it better. They just weren't as impressive as the first.


Personally I think "Master and Commander" should win. The visual effects in that were just seemless. In all the other movies there was at least one part that looked cartoonish.

A win for matrix is not what I'm really wanting, A nomination is. to me Matrix raised the bar with CGI blended with live action. It is very difficult to pick out what is live and what is not, when it is completely CGI in the 100 person brawl, how many cars arent real in the chase sequence, etc. The effects were made so complicated and costly as to not be repeated in the future by other films!

AMPAS gave Michael Moore an award for best "Documentary". That is all you need to know about them.

True, the Matricies should have been nominated, but the only possible winner is ROTK.

The Acadamy is nothing, in my opinion. They don't speak for all the people, so does it really matter what they think?

Terminator 3 had far more impressive Visual Effects than either of the two Matrix sequels (yes I loved the Matrix films too). Terminator had visual effects based more in reality and is perhaps the only movie I've watched where I haven't been able to pick out all the CG elements, the CG doubles in that film are brilliant.

Though Matrix had more inventive and technically wowing material it wasn't very impressive. The Burly Brawl was a great sequence but where realism begins and where CG begins is a very discernable line. There wasn't anything impressive about the Highway chase, only that it makes you realise that trucks should always have axels.

In Revolutions the only shot that I thought was brilliant is Neo's showdown with the Baby-face robot (the machine who goes "Speak"). Plus the Matrix, though excellent films, does get pretentious with its effects, they go for more of a "Look at me" feel which I'm sure the so-called film intellectuals at the Oscars are not liking very much.

With that said I do not know who should win the award, probably Return of the King, all in all it is a tough category which will definately be won by Return of the King regardless.

That's crazy! Terminator 3 had quite possibly the most embarassing special effects I've seen at the theater. Some of the scenes in the movie were downright horrid. The action scenes were great, but the actual CGI is a different story! I swear some of my PS2 games had better graphics than the huge crane scene, especially when it flipped over. Blah. I hated Terminator 3, but I'll at least admit if it had good graphics -- but I have to disagree.

The Matrix films did up the bar. Return of the King did an equally impressive job in the CGI department. The fact that the Matrix films didn't even get nominated is an absolute joke. As a matter of fact, the only film that has rivaled the Matrix movies in terms of CGI is Return of the King. HULK? HULK??? There's no arguing here, my PS2 games DO look better than that shit.

This is a very, very sad day. Media fanatics have gotten to the point where nothing they choose or rate is even worth looking at anymore. I loved the Matrix films; I thought the last two were much better than the first -- but that's not the point. The point is, these movies are still unparalled when it comes to blending together real-life PEOPLE with CGI. I'm still amazed at this. HULK???

-Lasereth

I wasn't tooo terribly impressed with either the 2nd or the 3rd Matrix movies, although I did like them nonetheless. But I agree that one of those 2 movies should shove either T3 or The Hulk out of the way without a doubt!

The special effects in T3 and The Hulk were impressive of course, but they couldn't even compare to some of the mind-blowing stunts that they had in the Matrix sequels!

I saw the Hulk and I practically fell asleep 10 minutes into the movie! The story is just tooo BORING. I know that I was too riveted to the screen while watching ROTK to even so much as blink, so that definatley deserves a spot there and I hope that it wins!

Too bad at least 1 of the Matrix sequels weren't nominated but oh well I guess, they were still great movies and better than a few that were nominated instead of them....But, what can ya do right??

....stupid oscar people! :lol:

The Oscars are traditionally conservative,
and usually ignore most sci-fi and fantasy.

It is unusual for them to give any type of acknowledgement to this genre.

The only CG in that sequence was when it flipped over and the digital double in front of the FireTruck of Arnold EDIT: a couple more minor shots actually. Oh and comparing the effects to a PS2's graphics is a pathetic statement and you know it, it's exactly the statement the 'Media fanatics' as you so aptly called them would say.

None of the films up for a nomination have poor visual effects. Matrix Reloaded or Revolutions should have been nominated over the Hulk and Peter Pan but they're still pretentious in the display of their effects and the Oscars won't see past that fact and realise the technical achievement of the visual effects of the two Matrix sequels.

Anyway, didn't Joel Silver say something about this a while back, that the two films were not able to be submitted for Oscar scrutinization?

In the end Return of the King has the best bet and is the most earnest of the films up for nomination, after all they put the acting and the story ahead of the CG.

No matter what, a movie that involves all the effects shots and makes every last one of them look absofuckinglutely real, should get an oscar nod, if not fucking win. Its complete bullshit IMO.

I think Silver stated that he wouldn't allow having both of the films nominated because both have a chance of winning. :) Now look at it. Not even one.

Yeah, I was joking about the PS2 statement. I just get tired of seeing the CGI like the crane flipping over in T3. It's blatantly fake, and it seems like the visual effects artists don't really care. The rest of the movie has average special effects, but certainly nothing to win over. A nomination? Sure, but I still find it ridiculous that it placed and the Matrix sequels didn't. I'm simply stunned that this has happened after all of the time and work put into the Matrix sequels, especially in the visual effects area. It's a sad day when The Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences won't nominate a movie simply because the mainstream audience didn't like it.

-Lasereth

fuck em!!1

Well, I think the Academy decides how the best visual effect depends on how well it works with the storyline.

Terminator 3 had a poor story line and I wasn't all that impressed with the effects.

The Matrix storyline and visual effet was impressive in my opinion however, the reloaded and revolution had a poor storyline and the visual effect didn't work too well with the story.

Master and Commanders was excellent excellent excellent. Then again, that may be biased as I am a huge fan of 17-18th century ships.

Pirates of the Caribean was alright. The visual effects of the sketlon crew didn't really impress me at all.

Hulk was sooooo poorly done by the filmaker. The storyline sucks. The acting suck. The visual effect sucks. Period.

Peter Pan. Can't say much about that since I haven't seen it obvoiusly...

Some of you are right, the academy aint worth shit to us. Just to the hollywood. I just watch movie and I decide whether or not I like em. I ain't gonna let the stupid academy decide that for me.

I'm completely unimpressed with the visual effects from the Matrix movies compared to the LOTR series... But the Matrix movies do blow T3 out of the water... what the heck is up with that? I never saw the Hulk, but from the previews it looked cartoonish at best... and not a good cartoonish like Pirates of the Carribean, which I thought was very well done.

They were "dissed" because they both sucked ass.

No more needs to be said besides these two posts.

It's hard to take them seriously anymore, it seems as though all they're trying to do these days is be alternative ie give an exiled pedophile an award for Best Picture and give all the black actors awards on one night. Don't be surprised if Hulk or Peter Pan win this award.

We're in the visual effects category; whether or not viewers liked the movie has nothing to do with how good the visual effects are.

-Lasereth

I think you'll find the trilogy was tarnished by two rubbish films.

This isn't about who liked the Matrix and who didn't, it's about the fact that the visual effects were stunning, and neither were nominated. And for the record, these two movies were brilliant. They're about as far from rubbish as possible. Terminator 3? That's rubbish.

-Lasereth

"for the record these two movies were brilliant"... what kind of statement is that? It's utterly subjective, and furthermore, I don't know anyone that wasn't disappointed by them.

But because you say so, I guess I was wrong. That settles the matter then.

Both those movies were bitter disappointments after the first, although I must agree, some of the effects were striking. But I don't think a shit film with great effects should be able to get an oscar. You have to view the effects in the context of everything else, characterisation, plot, story, script, dialogue. An award should be about rewarding an all-round good film that has excelled in a particular area.

Anyway, I'm not arguing about that, I'm taking issue with that retarded quote about the trilogy being tarnished by bad reviews. Maybe the bad reviews came in for a reason?

"But I don't think a shit film with great effects should be able to get an oscar."

Terminator 3? That was the most embarrassing theatrical experience I've had since Dungeons & Dragons. That movie was TERRIBLE. It left a hollow feeling after the movie was over. I had to go back and watch Terminator 2 again to regain my love of the series. Graphics: Come on people, THE CRANE. And when the T-800 was being pulled through the building by the crane.....CG. It was blatantly obvious. When his head got torn off. CG. Obvious CG. Almost all of the action scenes had that "one part" where you could tell it was just blended into CG and it all became fake. Just to make sure, I booted up the DVD (I'm still a huge fan of the Terminator series) and looked at the "special effects" part, and yes, all those are CG. I was right.

You can even pause it at certain parts on the DVD and laugh at the horrible CG. Boot up Reloaded during the "ultra cartoony and obviously fake" Burly Brawl. NOT ONE PART looks fake if you pause it. The only reason people say it looks "cartoony" and "fake" is because nothing like that could EVER happen with real actors. It's called Excellent Use of CGI, people. Just because the characters did some kung-fu moves that a real person couldn't do in real life doesn't mean the graphics are bad. It means it's amazing.

And then skip to Revolutions. The APUs. (Armored Personel Units). Those things looked REAL. The sentinels. They looked excellent! Think of all those Agent Smiths lined up at the end. THOUSANDS. It didn't look fake at all!


All I'm asking for here is a NOMINATION. I don't care if it wins, Return of the King had EXCELLENT graphics as well. But they deserve to be nominated at least. Peter Pan? Come on.

Like I say, I wasn't so much arguing that point as the self-deluding guy who says the Matrix trilogy was tarnished by bad reviews and poor box office, almost as if it's the film fans' fault for not 'getting it', when in actuality the films were flashy, showy, great-looking turgid nonsense.

While I don't disagree with the majority of your post... if you're going to try and tell me that those mech suit things looked real... :hmm: They might have been cool, but real? No... Going off of memory, those were the "fakest" looking things in the movie to me.

In the Burly Brawl sequence Neo looks incredibly fake, however the CGI Smith's are done quite well. I was underwhelmed by the APU battle but it was still interesting and I still love Revolutions far more than Reloaded but whether I like it more than the original Matrix I don't know.

And like Lasereth said, this is a category for Visual Effects, not Best Picture, I disagree wholeheartedly with those of you who think T3 sucked but this category is for Visual Effects, remember that.

Only Revolutions was submitted for consideration in all categories, Reloaded was never submitted by either Warner or Joel Silver. They only submitted one of the films because they were concerned that if they submitted both, it would split their votes and ensure a loss. I guess that's a moot point now, eh Joel? :)

Let me rephrase.

The visual effects in both The Matrix Reloaded and The Matrix Revolution were lackluster, and hardly anything groundbreaking/original.

I'm sorry, but The Hulk f***ing sucked.

Pirates of the Carribean was a good movie, it should win. :D

omega2K4, I'm curious to know what you think should be chosen of the 7 listed above for best visual.

Have you seen the movies? :) I believe that the two Matrix sequels are the only movies this year that have delivered groundbreaking or original visual effects. Return of the King had absolutely spectacular visual effects, but huge armies and landscapes have been did before -- just not so damned well. I honestly don't see how anyone could watch the Burly Brawl, the balcony fight, or the highway scene in Reloaded and not say it was stunning. Check out Zion in Revolutions! Look at the machine capital! Saying these movies are lackluster in the visual effects department is odd from my eyes. Which of the nominated movies do you think were so much better than the Matrix sequels in the visual effects area? Or better yet, can you explain why the Matrix sequels featured "lackluster" visual effects? Seeing 100 of the same man fight one person simultaneously, seeing an actor jump from car to car in the middle of a highway, and seeing a war go on between humans and machines is not unoriginal.

-Lasereth

Reloaded was very lackluster in visual effects. Zion was not very spectacular from a technical standpoint. The 100 Agent Smiths fight looked like an Xbox game at many points and the only saving visual grace was the freeway chase, which had many great stunts in it, however none were that over the top or that outstanding.

Haven't seen Revolutions yet.

The only movies even mentioned that I've seen are Reloaded and Hulk. I think it goes without saying that Reloaded could have easily taken Hulk's place in the nominations, hands down.