he's a cyborg general...more machine than anything else. he's a new character, not in ep. 2, so you wouldn't have heard of him unless you've been keeping up with leaked info.

Im definitely not a fan of the acting either. Actually, the only person that really ruins it for me is Hayden Christensen. This guy is about a 3 out of 10 as far as acting talent goes.

That trailer kicks ass. I think this movie will be the best out of the first 3. I cant wait to see how Anakin gets the Darth Vader suit. This is something I have been dying to know since The Empire Strikes Back.

After watching the trailer I just can't beleive Anakin did that to the Jedi. Its so dark.. this movie is gonna be a good one. I am waiting for it. counting the days.

I can't wait to see that conehead jedi dude meet his violent end. Han Solo was the best character in ep.4-6 I'd like to get some of his backstory. Obviously ep. 3 will be judged primarily on the presence Admiral Ackbar has in the film. Based on the preview I've seen I'd have to give it 0 out of 5 stars.

The main reason everyone hated ep.1-2 is that the basic formula for ep.4-6 has been copied so many times and regurgitated by Hollywood. Lucas is left with a pallet of cliches to create with (not much clamoring about the upcoming Krull prequels is there?).

Now that the most cutting edge effects are coming out of New Zealand it looks like ILM is trying to add a touch of realism to compete.

LOL :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Dork!

One thing I'm looking forward to with seeing Vader in the suit is him fighting. Most of Vader's fights in the OT were dramatic, but not too impresive. I hope we see Vader fighing as quick as in the prequels.

I looked for this in the thread and couldn't find it, so hopefully this isn't a repost. In all its glory, I give you: Star Wars: Episode III trailer for the 1337.

EIII for the 1337

Unless you are pretty good with online game slang it'll be pretty incomprehensible, but if you get it, it's hilarious. Enjoy.

That was gold Frosstbyte, fucking gold.

another "fun" trailer:

http://homepages.tesco.net/michaelgj...aceknights.mov

yeah that l337 trailer was AWESOME!

The oldtime trailer was very well done!

rofl
"obi (to anakin): stop tking!@! u FAG!"

my gut feeling is that 1337 subtitles will be the only way to redeem the shitstorm of a movie Lucas is sending our way.

that's funny stuff


I like this one, too;

http://www.sequentialpictures.com/mo...sepisode3.html

From theforce.net

Ive seen the footage on TV ans it is really cool!

Holy shit..

This movie was fucking awesome.

The end.

it was very good. that may just be the adrenaline rush talking, though. :)

There were things I would've had done differently, but it carried off a note of finality well.

And I feel... strange...

While I still love the originals better, there's a sense of... closure... here.

Where do we go from here?

We go to television, my friend. :thumbsup:

Wow, the movie thankfully lived up to all the hype. It was just really great, I felt like it really connected with the originals and had real strong emotional content. The action sequences were really well done, and the ending was just chilling. So many good things to say about it, but seeing as how it's like 4am and I'm both excited and exhausted at the same time, I should get to bed instead of rambling. :p

Go see the movie, you won't regret it! :)

I found it far better than I had hoped- not great maybe, but much better done than the eps 1 and 2, and it did do a good job of seaming it all together......

EP3 was the best of the new trilogy (wasn't that hard though...)
I think the fun part at the beginning was a bit overdone (R2 vs. Battledroids)

Has anyone a picture of a seperatist trade federation ship?

Oh man I can't wait! I'm not going thought til 11pm tonight :(

If only I had someone to watch my kids for a few hours this afternoon *sigh*

I'm glad so far all the comments have been positive!

I won't see it until tomorrow night at the earliest. Please don't post any spoilers!

There were CERTAIN parts that you could probably nitpick like... Spoiler: his conversion to the darkside. One minute, after attacking Windu, he's yelling, "What have I done?!?" then 2 seconds later, "I will become your apprentice. Teach me what you know." It was very... swift. Although, you could tell at that point he was very conflicted with constantly being presented with the choice, "You can save Padme. This is your only chance."

There isn't much story behind General Greivous. He wasn't in EP 2, yet he's a big main character in this one. I wish there was something more given so that I cared whether or not he died. Those parts seemed like they were "filler" for the main event, but the main event was so good it makes up for the other mistakes and flaws in the movie.


Other than that, it was perfect and ended like it should have.

The last 45 minutes of the movie were just utterly twisted and jaw dropping. I mean, you KNOW how it ends, but actually seeing it in detail... wow.

Spoiler: I loved the reconstruction scene on Darth Vader... the droids operating on his body, putting everything together... then comes the helmet. You watch his charred face become hidden by the mask being vacuum sealed... then the breathing starts.

Also I love how it gives you a different perspective on Vader himself. In Ep 4 - 6 he comes off as pure evil, but in this one you actually see how he was manipulated and lied to... so in Vader's mind, the Jedi really did betray him because of how well the Emperor mangled the truth. In Vader's mind, he really did save the republic and restore freedom to the galaxy while vanquishing those who "crave power" (Jedi). Very well done.

Saw it last night (this morning) and I loved it. Best of the prequels. By far the most pure action in any SW flick (though it does have its fair share of exposition), and thankfully the stupid comic relief was kept to a minimum, most of it is in the first 30 minutes of the movie and as mentioned before involves R2 and some even more inept than usual battle droids. Jar Jar is finally seen and not heard. But Lucas' warning was right, this not so much a film for the kiddies as the earlier films were. Very dark, very intense, with a few visuals of a type never seen before in a SW film. So many scenes and so much dialogue foreshadows (or echoes?) scenes in the OT. The Jedi purge actually made me tear up, as well as the final scenes. They were filled with emotion and very well done. As always, the most powerful scenes are those without dialogue where the usual top-rate John Williams score, Ben Burtt sound, and epic, sweeping visuals are all that is needed. The acting is still very wooden. Hayden Christensen is a better actor than he has shown us in these films. Ewan McGregor carries this film as he does in all the prequels.

All in all, I rank it equal to or maybe a notch better than ROTJ but still behind ANH and ESB. Definitely worth the price of admission, although maybe not a 6 week wait in line. And a definite plug for Fandango. I spent a half hour in line for concessions, and about 10 seconds at the box office window after walking right up.

-Mikey

Spoiler: I think at that point he still believed that he could win against papatine. like he said to padme, his plan was to save her and then kill palpatine to rule the universe with padme.
his final "break" point was when he heard the he killed padme, all hope for him was lost after that he was without willpower to resist.

I really enjoyed it. I thought Hayden Christiansen did an admirable job with what had to be some tough acting--he's really grown as an actor and Lucas is not an actor's director. The last 45 mins. were pretty cringe-worthy. All in all, I was pleased.

After seeing EIII last night and being impressed, I can say that Episodes I and II should never have been made. Everything that happened in 1 and 2 could have been summarized in a 2 minute prologe and then got rolling with the action in EIII.

Some of my friends have never seen 1 and 2 and I am strongly encouraging them not to. They suck and make the whole series suffer with their suckage.

God, this movie rocked. I mean, just wow.

The love scenes were laugh-out-loud bad, but the last half of the movie more than made up for it.

Just, wow.

I heard that the movie has leaked to the P2P networks.

This thing seems to have been leaked all over, I wonder how Lucas is going tot feel about it.

Well... it's leaked, yeah, but ... not as bad as Ep2 was.

I had Ep2 a month before it came out in the theaters. They actually did a good job considering this wasn't leaked until opening day, heh.

Not as bad as the guy who leaked it when he's found out i'd imagine :crazy:

WOW what an AWESOME movie.

ep.3 just totally blew me away. the comic parts were genuinely funny. they didn't seem forced and weren't painful to watch (like C3P0 and jar jar were in TPM and AOTC) the order 66 montage and yoda's reaction to the jedi killings almost had me in tears, the final duels were awesome, and the end of anakin's relationships with obi wan and padme were tragic.

simply put: w00t EP. 3 ROCKED

I hate to say it, but it wasn't as good as I would have hoped. I expected much more out of it than I got. It was good. Better than I an II, but still not what I would have hoped for. I think the think I disliked most was how each scene and each landscape was more grandious and unbelievable than the next. Part of what made a new hope and empire that much better was that they were somewhat believable. This is just too out there.

Lucas: you are forgiven. Though the taint of ep 1 and 2 still mars this one somewhat, it was almost (almost) 100% completely awesome, and to finally get closure on the Star Wars legends from my youth is comforting in a quiet, sad way. I will never anticipate another film like I did the prequels (despite the fact that they were letdowns). Most significantly: I will never see another new Star Wars movie. And that makes me kinda sad.

Unless...

He is somehow convinced to make episodes 7-9, which should be based on the Timothy Zahn "Last Command" books, IMO. They are excellent if you haven't read them, and would translate well to the screen.

I thought it was a good ending to the trilogy.
I found the beginning too slow, but the last 45 minutes were awesome. They did have a couple approaching-cheesy-lines, but that's ok, the action sequences made up for that. :P
General Grievous *sighs* ahhh, good stuff. If you want to know more about him, watch the cartoon series Clone Wars, he's in there. :)

I agree, I read that series many years ago and I don't remember every detail, but I do remember at the time thinking how well they would work as movies. Unfortunately, I highly doubt it would ever happen.

I absolutely loved it! I had high expectations and it delivered on all accounts. Mind you, I had read/seen/heard nearly all the spoilers so I had a good idea of what to expect...

The acting was far more free, the dialogue less cheesy (though still off at some points) and Lucas' directing was superb compared to his previous efforts. Just look at the shot that reveals the opening battle, or how Anakin and Padme look to each other when Anakin is contemplating the huge decision in the Jedi Chamber, or when the Clonetroopers lead by a fallen hero march on the Jedi Temple.

One thing that really got me was the amount of passion in the first scene Anakin and Padme share together. The entire AOTC film lacked the equivelant passion in that one scene alone.

Obi-Wan's small speech with Anakin at the end of the duel really got me too...

But I'm a huge Star Wars fan from way back, if you're a fan or just enjoy the series you'll love it, if you're not a fan then you'll probably enjoy, if you're a dick who likes to complain because it makes you think your're cool then you'll hate it.

just got back from it. thank you mr. lucas for redeeming Episode II. I can die a happy fan. this movie fucking rocked.

I agree 100%.

I'm surprised you also noticed the first scene that Anakin and Padme had. I was like, "What the HELL are the critics talking about? This is actually emotional and well-delivered." Then the rest of the scenes with them were ok, but not good (like the first one).

That movie was unbelievably good. I liked Episode 1. I hated Episode 2...and now this movie leaves the Star Wars saga with a pure, loving mindset. Star Wars is freaking awesome and I'm sad to see it go.

I've been leaving my avatar the same since I joined TFP in hopes that Episode III would be awesome...looks like my avatar is staying permanent. :) As my brother said, "If I saw George Lucas right now I'd give him a hug."

-Lasereth

tv shows, please be at least 33% as good as revenge of the sith...

Did anyone else see the Millenium Falcon landing?

It's RIGHT after the opening battle when Anakin returns to the council. (I think that's what he was doing... after Obi Wan said, "No, you are the hero today! Now go and enjoy it")

Yeah, I saw that, it was a nice little moment thrown in for the fans. :)

Haha I saw that too, was quite funny, half the theatre pointed at it (myself included) when it came in to land. I'm not sure if it's the Falcon or just another YT-3000, apparently it mentions it in the Art of ROTS book which I have got but seem to have possibly glanced over that little detail.

I'm going again tonight and straight after I'm watching A New Hope... can't wait to see the Death Star Hangar duel... especially after this...

I completely agree that the opening moments with Padme and Anakin are dead on, full of passion and love. Anakin's complete happiness and lack of concern for the concequenses of the inevitable discovery of their marriage, makes the ending that much more tragic. His complete and total acceptance and love of the news of the baby allows for the the consumption of his rage and hatred to allow for the dark side to engulf him.

Man I need to see the movie again like right now! Totally A1 movie!

The movie clipped along so fast moving from one scene to the next that even the dud/lull moments aren't bad because the next scene has so much action that you are captivated again and can easily forget/forgive the previous moment.

I think one of the best scenes is Spoiler: When Yoda walks into the Emperor's chamber and just force slams the two Imperial Guards against the wall to knock them out!

Also the use of the force by all the Jedi for throwing other people was so shockingly cool to see just how powerful the Jedi truly are.

I'm just bummed that I won't be able to show my son the movie until he's older. He's such a nut for Star Wars and he knows that the new one is coming soon but the end is just way to intense and dark for his little noggin to see.

Lordy this movie is awesome.

I'm only guessing, But I think he gained is fame from "The Clone Wars" cartoons series. in which eps 20-25 are the open scrall for Star Wars EPIII in deatiled story form. I never heard of him either until I was camping out in line and was introduced to the series.

I missed the Falcon :(. Another reason to see the movie again :)
Did anyone notice George Lucas, he is in the movie (or so i read in the paper. He says he is wearing a helmet but you can see his big beard). I didnt want the movie to end, i was hoping for just a little bit more of seeing luke/leia grow up. Spoiler: At least Episode 3 explains how Yoda & Obi Wan were able to just 'disappear' in Ep. 3 & 6. I wonder if the revised box set will include Qui Gon in the ending scene on Endor.
Throughout the other 5 movies you wonder how can a jedi become so evil, but watching Anakin turn to the dark side it is a reasonable decision and I felt sorry for him. I cant clearly say that i would not have done it if i were him but hey ya never know. does anybody recall the name of the original sith lord that taught Darth Sidious? I want to see if there are any books on him

Darth Plagueous (sp?)
This movie was.....awesome.
I want to see it again sometime very soon :)

M u s t m a k e t i m e t o s e e t h i s m o v i e ! !

Good movie, but nothing great. A movie cannot be great when the best part about it are the special effects. I dunno, I guess movies that are 90% fake kinda annoy me.

Spoiler: Why would Qui Gon come back to see Luke? He has no connection with Luke outside of some 6 degrees of Luke Skywalker thing going on.

sure the special effects are great but they aren't the best part about it to a lot of people. the immersive experience of another surreal universe is the best part, and the graphics make up a huge portion of that.

but I guess if you go into it looking for some graphics and that's it then you'd have that opinion

if you look past the graphics you will find an excellent story that builds up and structures 3 of the best movies of all time

I didn't almost come to tears during Order 66 because of the graphics, nor when Obi-Wan and Anakin have their speeches before and after the duel. The reason I almost came to tears was the cohesive effort of visuals, sounds and emotions

My favourite parts of the film were how people react to given situations, the outcomes and consequences of them and how they relate to the grander scale of all the movies as a complete Saga. Though this film had more special effects than any other it also has the most raw emotion, to get those two things to work together is quite extraordinary. Something fake with something real. Lucas and the entire team and LFL and ILM really need to be commended, I wish I could thank them personally for delivering such a wonderful masterpiece which really does bring the Saga to a fitting end.

This is the single best Star Wars movie. I don't see how anyone can believe ANH and ESB is better than RotS.

The acting got a hell of alot better; I didn't have to leave the theatre in embarrassment. It can be genuinely understood why Anakin turned.

Though I had trouble believing Yoda would give up that easily with the Emperor.

I am a huge sci fi fan. Mostly Star Trek. BUT I love Star Wars very much. And all I have to say is that over the past few years these new films have just not felt the same. It has been a great ride but I feel a little empty. Episode one was meh, episode two was a little better, and episode three was a good film. I remember seeing the old ones and not even thinking about the quality of the films. Episodes four, five, and six are legendary because of this flow. These newer films were just not the same. That is all I will say.

Your Pal (and Star Wars fan),
Holdem;D

You know, I had that same feeling, I'm a huge Star Wars fan. I was old enough to remember EP4 in the theater, But the last two seem more like Peter Jackson then Geogre Lucas. and the story line seemed pushed towards the emd to tie up all the loose ends to connect with EP4.

But that's just me. still. there where moments in the film where I was moved. and it does earn a place among the best of Star Wars films. But not THE best. I still have to go with ESB on that one. heck even the Space battle in the opening wasn't as good as the one in RotJ. But all in all. the story is what makes this movie so good. So if Geogre is true to his word. and this is the last of them. He did the last one with style and grace.

Did anyone else notice that the Repulic Soldiers - Temuera Morrison (The kiwi actor who starred in Once were warriors) - looked quite dodgy when they had their helmets off? Like their heads were wavering a bit on top of the model body.
It was entirley CG and it looked kinda dodgy.

Although nitpicking aside i thought it was pretty good; the corruption of Anakin was potrayed quite well - although i felt it went 100000 km/hour at the end, tying up the all the loose ends etc.

There was a rumor on the web that George Lucas actually appears in the movie dressed in "Galactic Gear". The rumor is true that George Lucas DOES appear in the movie but he was actually caught in a frame in his normal every day clothes. I.E. George Lucas dresses in galactic gear every day.

I saw it yesterday and wrote my opinion of it on another board and am just copy pasting it ...

I honestly wasn't disappointed in the movie because it had everything right, but it coulda been truely great and not just "blah" if they did a few things different.

Review has spoilers btw, lots of em so don't read it if you havn't seen the movie:

Spoiler: Well, I just saw it and heres my opinion:

It wasn't bad, but it just never held my attention ... why? Because ANAKIN CANNOT ****ING ACT. That in itself brought down the entire movie, the first fight scene I'm sitting there watching him and Dooku fight and I don't even care, theres no intensity/motive to watch, its just a bunch of pretty lights all over the screen and a two guys moving at the speed of turtles.

Then you have Anakin becoming darth vader .... Hes like "I sensed her being alive", and then makes the worst yell ever, chewbaca woulda sounded sadder then he did, he just sat there going like booo freaking hoo.


There were parts where it was good though: The middle hour of the movie, from about the time anakin goes crazy to about the part yoda and anakin fight (aside from the acting) I liked it because there was acctually some tension, like when the jedis were betrayed I acctually stopped focusing on how long until the movie got over and got into it, it lost momentum again after order 66 but if the entire movie was like that it would have been truely a masterpiece. Also, it was pretty dark when anakin betrayed Windu, I acctually got really into it then because it showed how evil he was becoming.

One thing was really missing in the movie I think and that was Build-up, you need build-up to make the people care about the characters, There was no real time in my mind where for 5 minutes I'm sitting there waiting for a fight scene because I know its coming, it just suddenly happened, and then ended just as fast.

Also, the music was good for the yoda/anakin double fight but other then that the musical score in this movie was sorta ... unintense.

I give it a B-, It had good parts and if you want to see a bunch of stuff getting blown up its a decent movie, but in no way does it deserve the title people are giving it as the most amazing starwars movie since ROTJ, I apologize if I'm being to over critical I just think it coulda been better.

BTW,the beginning was absolutely atrocious in my mind, there is nothing funny in a elevator constantly breaking and R2D2 lighting a bunch of dumbass droids on fire, I came to see some drama and ass-kicking, not some stupid robot turn into a pyromaniac to make the audience laugh.

On a side note, it had some sweet previews, Narnia and War of the Worlds have alot of potential, and I can't really understand fantastic 4 to well but it has some potential also.




I apologize if I sound like I hated the movie in the review, I just honestly expected something more, I'm not sure what was missing from it, I think it was just the lack of intensity throughout the movie that really brought it down, it really wasn't the script that messed it up either I just felt like I was watching a soap opera, not a drama with murder and betrayal. On a side note, I talked to everyone else I knew and I was the only one who felt this way, so maybe I just missed something or wasn't into it enough, I'm gonna see it again sometime in the next week and see if I get more into it.

Honestly, I think you were expecting too much or something. You associate your assessment to Hayden Christensen, only the first example you use of his "poor acting" is actually James Earl Jones. The music, well, it's John Williams. It wasn't really any different than what he's done for the other movies, minus there being no new musical motif introduced. Finally, I think this is the one prequel where Lucas finally gets the comedy bits right. It's not a lot, not at any really inappropriate moments, and it's very much in the same spirit as the comedy bits in the original trilogy. "I came to see some drama and ass-kicking, not some stupid robot..." I hope you hated every similar aspect of the original trilogy just as much then, otherwise it's just hypocritical IMO.

I just got back from seeing it... I fucking loved it. The first half hour got me a little worried with the humor (scared droids and 'clever' lines etc.) but after that it just rocked solidly until the end.

I didn't catch the Millenium Falcon but I did love seeing what looked to be earlier versions of the space ships seen in episodes 4,5 and 6. Like the trianglular ships that obviously are the early Star Destroyers, and those X-Wing type fighters that look like they could easily become the X-Wings from the later movies. And especially the TIE fighters, you could see those designs coming. I rememeber the fighter Anakin was flying in the opening scene had the same style of windscreen as the later TIE fighters, and towards the end of the movie small fighters in the same TIE style were getting that screaming/screetching sound that they have in episodes 4,5 and 6. I remember in episodes 1 and 2 people were concerned that the ships were so sleek and shiny and looked too modern compared to the original trilogy but I think they handled the evolution well.

Vader's 'Noooo!' scream towards the end was atrocious. I guess they were going for a Frankenstein's monster scene there. As soon as I saw Spoiler: the Death Star being built I wondered how Darth Vader had managed to get his evil empire kicked into high gear so quickly, when he could hardly walk in his new suit, but then I remembered that in many ways he's just Palpatine's puppet.

Episode 3 is by far the best of the new movies and I think it easily makes up for 1 and 2. If I ever have kids I'll be showing them the original three first, then these new ones.

EDIT: Spoiler: When General Grevious pulls out his four lightsabres, my first thought was 'Mate, that's cheating'. My friend turned to me and said 'That's cheating'. Awesome :D

Spoiler: well, the plans for the Death Star was shown in EP2. but what we saw at the end of EP3 wasn't the inner structure. But was in fact the Death Star Prototype. something as big but far less powerful so they could test the firepower of the Main weapon and to get an idea of what was needed to build the actual Death Star

That information was given to me but a hard core Jedi nerd who got that info from a Star Wars guide to Vehicles and Vessels.

some people have wwwaaayyyy to much time on thier hands

namely me :D

I guess I will add my two cents in...

The movie was by far the best out of the bunch. You cant really compare the originals with the new ones... it would be unfair. The lack of computer animation and technology make it difficult for the originals to hold there ground. But you can still watch those movies 20+ years later and they still kick some serious ass...

With that said, Episode 3 was a masterpiece. I was very impressed with all the visuals, all the fight scene's (Mace Windu's was bad ass), and yes the acting was much better... This movie was complete, it finished the story for sure!

I am definitely gonna watch it again, after I watch Episode 4 again....

Everyone's saying the Vader yell ("Noooooooooo") was cheesy but... I didn't think it was at all.

I mean... how else would someone act in that position when you realize you did it all for nothing?

I expected the Emperor to concoct some story about a Jedi role in Padme's death. Maybe despair makes a better short leash while he gets used to the armor?

I expected Vader to sustain more fire injury, and repair. Hayden Christensen needs a few "system upgrades" to fill out David Prowse's costume for E4.

I still have a hard time believing the Jedi Council would have accepted him as long as they did, or Obi-Wan. Anakin, at least as played by Christensen, is a whining bag of damaged goods.

The scream did seem out of character for the Vader costume, but I give allowance for his newbie-ness. Did anyone else think it sounded a lot like Luke's "father" scream?

There'll be more movies. Eventually. Whether George gets a second wind and brings back 7-9, or hands off the baton, the franchise is worth too much to leave alone forever.

Anyway, so much better than E1&2! If I have the time I'll pay to watch it again.

...and now to give thanks for the muzzled JarJar.

Spoiler: I thought Qui Gon would ne at the final scene of ROTJ b/c Lucas had already chose to change one actor in the final scene so it may have been possible.

Spoiler: yoda gave up because he felt a bit over powered, that's my opinion...he was holding his own for some time but after getting knocked down to the main floor and losing his light saber....I don't think he felt it was still necessary to keep fighting. He could always regroup and try another day.

Also, lucas and his daughter are in the scene when Palpatine is at the opera house with anakin.

Yes, the anakin/padme acting wasn't the best but the overall acting in star wars isn't any Academy award worthy stuff...its no LOTR..the opening aerial battle was not the best in any of the star wars episodes. I did like when Spoiler: anakin jumped from his crashed fighter ship and got to work w/ the lightsabers.

Watched it yesterday. By far the best of the first three (not the originals). I really didn't like the first two, so I didn't go in expecting much, and came out pleasantly surprised.

And to share a silly tidbit...I always get choked up when I see the STAR WARS motif and hear the opening strains of the music at the beginning of any of the movies...I suppose it's just something in my subconcious...

Same here, I think it's because after all that time waiting in line the movie is finally starting.

Overall, I really loved it. Sure, I had some petty grievances, but I think it answered all the questions I had as to how we got to EpIV

One thing that did bother me that no one has mentioned yet is Spoiler: Padme's strength as a character was completely stripped away in this film. She was never as fiesty as Leia, but she was a former queen who didn't mind picking up a pistol and getting into the action. In EpIII, she was reduced to a worrying, hand-ringing, timid creature. The majority of her screen time involved her looking worriedly out the window. What happened to the strong leader and champion of democracy that we met in the first two prequels?

Also: Spoiler: In EpIV, Obi-Wan gives Luke his father's light saber, telling him "Your father wanted you to have this, when you were old enough". In EpIII, we see Obi-Wan leave Anakin for dead in the lava pits, taking his light saber with him. I think it would have been more poignant to the original series had there been a scene with Obi-Wan and Anakin (pre dark side) where Anakin made this wish known. Small point, but all the same....

Yeah, I think so...it and many other things connect so well to the originals.

I saw the movie, really liked it. I don't get one thing though what was so special about Spoiler: Yoda slamming two guys into a wall?. I mean, people applauded after that scene and I was like "meh". Also the Spoiler: NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!111!!! was cheesy as hell. I know that he was just adjusting to being all evil and shit, but they could've easily gone without that part. Another rather stupid part was when Spoiler: Obi Wan jumps on a platform 3 inches higher than the Anakin was standing on and said something along the lines of "you lost, I've got the higher ground"

Good movie.

Yoda kicking ass is always special, see my above comment for the relevance of that line by Vader, and being physically higher than someone in melee combat IS a huge advantage.

I thought it was good. Works with his Harumph facial expressions.

As for higher ground, it seemed like 4-6ft, not 6 inches. Another rash Anakin move instead of moving up or downstream to cross the divide.

I liked it a lot, and agree with most people in this thread. Rather than repeat it, I'll get straight to the part I didn't like. General Grievous.

I saw pictures of Grievous long before the movie came out, and thought "Wow, he looks badass!" But in the movie...he's portrayed as a rickety old man. And he coughs, for god's sake. A robot, coughing? They made him out to be a Mr. Burns clone. I'm so disappointed...

You must have missed the 4 or so shots of organic material underneath the robotic shell. Grievous was a being kept alive in a droid's body. I thought the cough was pretty silly at first as well, until they showed his organic parts and then it made sense.

The latest issue of Rolling Stone (with Vader on the cover) tells how the cough used for Grievous is actually Lucas'!

As for the gripes (not necessarily posted in this thread but in national reviews et al) about the acting and writing, I have to say that the scene in which Obi Wan confronts Padme for the location of Anakin is one of the best delivered scenes. The first time I saw the movie I was completely gripped by Padme's denial and then acceptance of Obi Wan's information. Upon a second viewing I knew what was coming and was able watch with a more skeptical eye but was still completely gripped by their performances and the writing in that scene wasn't clunky at all :)

I watched ESB after watching ROTS and for everybody's complaint about how whiney and petulant Anakin is about not being a Master or a more powerful Jedi, I suggest you watch how whiney and impatient Luke is when he is around Yoda. Lucas has done the right thing in making Anakin a whiney brat because that was how Luke was too. In the overall structure of the series Luke is following in the same footsteps of his father. Yoda knew what Anakin was like and if he didn't train Luke properly then all was lost for certain. /soapbox

The hour that I saw was awesome...I'm going back Tuesday to watch it again.

BTW, did anyone else notice the Duracell battery in Aniken's arm (when he gets up after the first nightmare)?

That would make sense...but at the very beginning of the movie you see him fly out the window of his ship, but manage to stay alive in the vacuum of space long enough to get back on board.

Pregnancy.

dude, have you ever been around a pregnant chick? all i'm saying is if she was somebody i wouldn't mess with before she was pregnant, i sure as hell wouldn't mess with her while she was with child.

but seriously... (gotta learn how to use that spoiler text. oh, well, it's in the title of the thread.)

my wife and i were talking about this today... padme was such a strong character through the first two movies that it's hard to believe that she would lose the will to live from being heartbroken over losing anakin. and even if she had, once she had delivered those babies, i would have thought that she would have found the will to live and the desire to keep her babies safe. oh, well, i guess lucas had to give a good reason for luke and leia to have been separated and spent their lives not knowing each other.

A fair point. The coughing is explainable...as for that though, I have no answer. But, come on, it's a space fantasy. Does it really matter? :)

Those little intra-ship excursions and resulting damage on his organs may explain his coughing. Going from a pressurized ship to almost zero and back would play hell with the tissue and gas carrying fluids.

Do any SW books talk about his coughing? It was on the weird side.

read this on another message board. personally, i haven't seen the clone wars cartoon, but it sounds reasonable...

I know this may piss people off and they make think im crazy or something, but I loved this movie. I think it was quite possibly the best in the series. George Lucas made a couple of mistakes with the first two, but not enough to ruin them. The first two were still good movies IMHO. With the last movie he has completely redeemed himself and I can't wait to get the trilogy set for the first 3 movies.

Note: just my opinion, don't get upset

I have heard two people so far say this was the worst of the 6 movies. i disagree 200%, i think episode 1 takes that cake. episode 2 is very close, but if it werent for the ending clone wars battle scene then it would have sucked major Jedi ass cheeks.

I would have liked Episode 3 to have a little bit less CGI, Lucas sort of left his originals hanging especially since this is the link to the original set. i thought he should have relied more on puppetry/miniature models (like ep. 4,5,6) and not so much on the computer graphics.

Also, i thought Dooku could survive outside of the space craft because he is part robot.

First, I have to say this was the best of the prequel trilogy. It did have major shortcomings, but I think the drama of actually seeing the story that we already know made it special.

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As for the negatives, at least George Lucas is consistent. He and his script writers must be so detached from reality at Skywalker Ranch. When Padme said "You're stressed out...", I was embarrased for Lucas. If the script weren't bad enough, we also get the greatest emerging thespian: Hayden Christiansen. He basically has one facial expression in both Episodes II and III and he couldn't deliver a line with sincerity to save his life. In turn, I think he brings down Natalie Portman and their chemistry; she is at least decent in most of her other movies. His bad acting even permeated through the Darth Vader suit in the Frankenstein sequence. Someone on Rotten Tomatoes actually had the temerity to say Christiansen was a better lead than Mark Hamill. Ha!

The parallel seen of Padme "losing the will to live" was also too lame--childbirth, especially with twins, can lead to plenty of real physiological complications. For a mother to die for this reason runs incredibly counter to the biological drive to nurture and protect children.

Nonetheless, I think the movie was salvaged by just about everything else. Ewan McGregor was the one saving grace in terms of acting. He was the only one to convey the tragedy of Anakin in an emotive way. I think Alec Guinness would have been pleased with the younger Obi-Wan in the final Star Wars film. Of course, the special effects were not disappointing. It seems Lucas may have been frustrated with illustrating the grandiosity of the galaxy and all its planets and races in the original trilogy. In Episode III, you get a better idea of what is all at stake if the Republic falls.

And a random question for the Star Wars experts:
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What is the control mechanism of the clones? After all, they are humans, so how is their loyalty decided? I somehow doubt Palpatine is Force-controlling them across the galaxy.

This goes back to Episode 2 when the clones were introduced. What happened was before Episode 1 Senator Palpatine went on behalf of Jedi Master Syfo Dias and requested that a clone army be created. The problem? Syfo Dias had been killed. Palpatine had that army created to follow his every command. In Episode 1, he worked with the Trade Federation to help them occupy Naboo. He then helped Padme in overthrowing the Chancellor, therefore making him the chancellor. With the emergency power that the Senate granted him, he "approved" the creation of the clone army that he had started building several years before.

Episodes 1, 2, and 3 are basically about Palpatine's rise to power and how he manipulated everyone around him by leading a double life as both the Supreme Chancellor of the Republic and the Dark Lord of the Sith. He used that power to create the clone army that would work closely with the Jedi. Then when the time was right the clones would kill the Jedi across the galaxy. It's a truly remarkable plan.

I just recently watched all the prequels and im positive they never directly said that Palpatine was the one who had the clone army created, however I would agree it was implied. If there is a specific point where they said this, tell me.

Yes, you are right. It is never directly stated that Palpatine was the one who had the army created. It was only implied. When Palpatine orders Order 66 you know he was the one who told the people to make the clones.

I'm aware of all that. My question concerns:
So were they genetically engineered to follow him specifically? They're still humans albeit clones.

The answer is yes. At the very least, they were genetically enginered to obey their commander unquestioningly. Their commander is the Chancellor. At the very most, they were specifically programmed to obey Darth Sideous. Either explanation works and is quite reasonable.

you aint seen it dont read... you were warned .. but holy crap someone that has seen it back me up..

















at the end you see the emperor and darth standing on the flight deck.. as the emperor moves up or was it darth.. crap.. any ways.. there is this old english like officer standing on the shot on the left.. was that a peter cushing look a like.. ???!!!???? i was like woot but dont know


btw.. here is my take on a different view. my dad took me to see a new hope when i was a child, and it was opending day here in this small town i grew up in. years later, in the same theatre i have my son ... he is the same age i was and im in the movie place .. the same one although renavated and up to date.

i was like "my god i was here for the frist one now im back for the last one" how special that was for me. even had a dude a little older than me saying. "i remember you. you was the kid that was jumping up and down you were so excited about the movie back then."

one of those moments in life you never forget and they way it played out was just awesome that it happened.

btw my son is like 8 and he had no trouble understanding the movie and the plot. just depends on how you raise your kids. my son reads alot and understands more scifi and fantasy terms and ideas than other kids his age.. just as i was. its the imagination that holds the attention of a child in my family not flash and dash heh

I went to see the movie last night and quite enjoyed it.

When General Grievous was speaking, who was picturing the mob guy Tony from the Simpsons. I wonder if it was the same guy voicing him.

Yep. Someone from central casting with serious prosthetics on.

Well, they are all clones of Jango Fett, who was loyal to Palpatine/Sideous. So it only stands to reason that the clones would as well.

genetic programing, selective programing, brainwashing, and just the personality.

there were sleepers all of them. acting the part they were created to. then the moment came and pow.. the empire has its troops. least i got to see the force choke i so love.

also if you look into the liscensed work that lucas let out .. sith back ground are jedi and somewhat of dark magic like powers.

and you gotta remember the empereror was a master of cloneing himself. hehe plus the fact that his "master" could manuplate life itself.. who's to say there wasnt a sith factor involved in all this.

the fact that in 4,5, and 6 he's it the umtimate supreme power in the galaxy. with darthy as his enforcer ...

aslo with grevious. hes a hybird. and well he's more machine than creature in the movie.. so...

the tech taken to make him could have been outlawed everywhere in the known galaxy, his warrenty was up so to speak. plus all the jedi he fought "in his background story" yeah he'd be like that. also even before he jumped out into space to get away, we was a "sickly" critter to begin with.

i gotta say the death of dooku was a bit hasty. the look on his face when palp said kill him was worth all the time i waited heh.

also when he told vader that in his anger he killed paddy.. there you saw for the first time the power that was darth vader. as he stummbled out he was still getting used to all the tech that replaced his organics.

which comes to 4, 5, and 6 where you dont see the splash and dash of cgi "granted they didnt have it back then" of jumping and such. you can only do so much with the force. at that time vader didnt need to jump and roll around. he probally couldnt with his implants yet why would he have to when he could force choke you half way across the galaxy.

its the umtimate tradegy where you see the hope and glory of a group have to witness the fall of a great hero. and yeah heres my point on all this chosen one

a. he's the chosen one
b. his coming brings about balance to the force.
c. the force has a dark and a light side.
d. there is always on Dark Lord of the Sith and his apprentce.
e. there were thousands of jedi

if i was a jedi i would be like "wait he brings balance to the force..hmm check plz" and i would have gotten the hell outta dodge in epi 1.

but anakin brings balance to the force. in epi 6 he kills the emperor. also he has luke and leia.. balance

padame.. she dies said so in the original but not her name. she watches her "champion" fall, the one love that she ever had turn to evil. she knows about jedi and their ability to see the future. she feels a strange feeling at the core of her being. you can see this throughout the movie. also the greatness of the republic is crumbling. she is a big political figure in all this and to see her dreams and life work crumble. she has a strong pschy and character yet all this can wear one down.. and just how would you feel to learn that your love killed hundreds of jedi then have the same one turn on you though he was tricked and lied to yet nothing you can do to change it.

and above all else the evil taint of the sith was used on her. "woot force grip" how badly damaged was she physically and mentally. then child birth. ahh but i bet she wasnt really near her time with the twins .. they "had to take them" cuz she was dying.

all in all it will ..1,2, and 3 will never come to the joy and love i have for 4, 5,and 6 but they are of the same saga.. i feel selfish to tell the truth. in the fact that I.. I alone saw they originals not all these young kids or the parents that have to take and are forced to sit through these movies cuz they didnt care for them then or now.

younger kids now a days are spoiled in the fact that cgi is everywhere even weekly shows. to me they dont really care for a plot anymore just splash and dash.

the factors of the original that drew everyone to star wars
1. jedi
2. titanic space battles
3. did i mention the alure of the jedi?
4. it was different.. you had what star trek but that was weak but still i loved it. its the fact that omg not another western.. this is scifi hardcore my god ...

nuff said

This may help with the historical part of the Sith's. This all gets to complex for me.

http://stuffo.howstuffworks.com/sith.htm


Follow to the bottom of the page for the table of context for the series.

Myself, i liked the original Star Wars best. It's like, prequels are afterthought's trying to catch up with the original.

THIS KICKED ASS!!

I just got back. I LOVED it. It provided so much clousure to the series. When I actually figured out that Anakin did it all for nothing that just blew me away. I think that was the saddest part of the film. He so much wanted to save the love of his life and he was doing it in the best way that he knew how but in the end he was lied to and manipulated so that Palpatine could use him and the worst part was that she died anyway. Tragic.

I missed the mllenium falcon though. I'll look for it again on the DVD's.

Don't stop now George Lucas! You're on a roll!

Ok, yeah... I just realized the amount of continuity errors.

There are a LOT of them. Too many of them that it's kinda disturbing ... and the old trilogy really doesn't link to the new one AT ALL.

Two that I can think of right away are:

"Your father wanted you to have this light saber" Obi Wan says this to Luke. That never happened. If it did, it was offscreen.

"...seek Yoda, the Jedi master who trained me." Obi Wan says to Luke. Yoda didn't train him, that other guy did from EP 1. This is repeated often throughout ESB where Obi Wan refers to himself and his "training" with Yoda.

...so they pretty much created the new trilogy without even giving a single glance at what was said or done in the original? A lot of stuff DOES link up, but the more important stuff, the stuff you WILL see when you watch the original 3 after seeing the new trilogy, does NOT link up.. and it's quite disturbing.