Getting raped in jail
 

Yeah we sometimes joke about it, but its pretty fucked up if you ask me. Why do we just accept it as a given that if you go to jail your gonna get pumped by some horrible fucker? Maybe we think that if you go to jail then perhaps you kinda deserve it cause you did something wrong.
I sorta knew a guy once who did some time in jail. He got raped too! What the fuck is going on. Our jails shouldnt be like this, or is it not as rife as we are led to believe?

Incidently, any tfp's done time anywhere? Whats your take on this.

i've thought about the same thing...but in terms of sympathy..i really have none..at least for violent offenders :)

I think that it is a nice detorent for commiting crimes. I really dont care if a criminal gets raped. However, I do think that according to the constitution that it is something that should be stopped. Any one remember "no cruel and unusual punishment"?

I've never done any time and hope I never will. I think it depends on where you end up. There are some jails, such as Camp Cupcake, that it doesn't happen. In general, violent offenders are put with other violent offenders and that type of stuff will happen. It is not openly allowed, but there are a lot of things that are not allowed that inmates do anyway. The only ones that I feel bad for are those that are wrongly there.

I know a few people who have done time in prison, and none of them were raped. They all told me that there is enough gays in prison now that it doesn't happen as often.

they aren't going to club med.

Here's what gets me about it (beyond the obvious horror and violation). As I understand it, a lot of these bastards doing the raping are the same guys that beat up homosexuals, grew up calling people "faggot" and and if you were to imply they were in any way gay they would deny it and beat you to death. So why on earth would they want to shove their penis in some unfortunate guy, not to mention forcing others to "toss salad" ,give head, etc. You could put me in prison for 500 years and another mans hairy butt would never appeal to me. SO I don't think the being without women excuse holds water either. OK, rape is supposed to be about power or some such more than sex but you've got to get the penis up before you can do anything with it and if these guys are getting erect at the prospect of porking another guy I think there has to be some latent homosexual tendancies. If not, how and why does it happen?

never thought of it that way stephensa. :/..hmm...i'm a girl and a guys hairy butt will never appeal to me ether...

maybe they think about women? or maybe its a dominance thing...maybe they just are aroused at the concept of hurting/abusing/dominating anyone..be it man or woman...?

When it comes to prisoners being raped while in prison, I don't think it is a question of "they're getting what they deserve" versus "I have sympathy for them. This shouldn't happen". My issue is that prisoners should not run our penal system. If we want prisoners to be raped while in prison, we should legislate it and include it in sentencing. I am bothered whenever I hear the "they're getting what they deserve" argument. Why would we ever want criminals raping other criminals in prison? It doesn't sound very rehabilitative for the rapists or the victims of rape. Once they've served their sentences, they're back out on the street.

I agree on the hairy butt comment for myself, but many of these guys doing the raping are in jail for the rest of their lives. I would think that being confined in a place with only other guys and know that you will never have another woman, would begin to warp your mind. So some of the settle for something rather than nothing forever. Not to mention, you have to be some what warped to end up in one of those places in the first place.

My first thought was that those guys derserve it, but when u thin about it slowly, u can`t denie it is a sick thing and it should be stopped. People's integrity should be protected everywhere, and this things happening only shows one of two things: 1.-Not even at jail law inforcement officers can do their jobs right, or 2.- Law inforcement officers gives a shit about what happens in their noses. You can bet those rapers are not the best behaved guys in prison, and they must have a good quota of power in the big house, that's something you don't want to happen in a high security prison with violent prisoners.

This is why I do everything I can to avoid breaking any major laws. I wouldn't last a day in prison. I spent time in a holding cell a few times when I was in my teens but never in an actual prison. I'm sure it happens quite a bit. It's either getting raped or savagely beaten. Prison is no picnic. Would people want to pay extra taxes to do something about this? My guess is that most people probably don't care.

When you're locked up without so much as the sight of a woman for so long, even if you're heterosexual, anything warm and concave starts looking good.

It happens.

Trust me.

I think the real concern should be the fact that the jail rapists don't exactly use condoms. I vaguely remember there being a 20/20 special on a guy who contracted AIDS in jail from being raped. If prisoners are raping each other and giving each other diseases, then there are going to be that many more people around to spread them once they've done their time.

I just finished reading the autobiography of Art Pepper, a jazz saxophonist who was prominent in the 50s, but spent a lot of time in jail. According to him, after so many years in the joint, man-on-man encounters were not even considered to really be homosexual activity. It was just a part of survival/sanity. Art was offered "service" once in the slammer and was told to just close his eyes and imagine it was a woman. He couldn't go through with it even though it would have meant increased privileges (such as extra cigarettes, better clothes).

This brings to mind Mike Tyson's outburst where he shouted at a male reporter "I'll fuck you until you love me."

No logic, no cognition.

I have a cousin in jail and according to him if you don't cross people you are very unlikely to get beaten up or raped. Not to say it doesn't happen but people have this misconception that if they go in they are going to get raped if they don't act hard so they go in and attempt to act all tough. The really hardened people see this they key in on them and make it their job to either take them down a peg or two by sexually assualting them or beating them up.

But as for saying we need to stop it. Yes we do but how do you do that exactly? If we can't keep controlled substances out of prison it would be kind of hard to totally eliminate rape considering we HAVE to have multiple person cells, we have to allow them some modicum of freedom of movement. The only way to stop it is to keep them chained in leg irons all day and night and that's "cruel" so it won't happen.

Rape is a power thing. That doesn't mean that they arn't sexually excited from it though. Heard of a pyromaniac? Well did you know that they get off on setting fires? They leave seamen at the scene of the crime, which is how they get convicted.

I think the American jail system is broken. These people are not going to get better, they're going to get worse. We need to stop this prison violence and violation, and rehabilitate these people. Otherwise, like people have said, they'll just get out on the street and commit crimes until they get caught again.

As for how to stop it, the prisoners need to be supervised better. Maybe hire more guards, add more cameras. something. It's not acceptable for this to happen.

And maybe more psychotherapy and job training. I dunno, I'd have to read studies on effectiveness of different techniques.

I don't think it happens as often as you'd think. It's a good scare tactic though. The more people are afraid of jail, the more likely they'll want to stay out of it. ;)

There is one guy in there that I hope is getting his right now----the SOB molested his 3 step-daughters, and knocked up the 12 year old...I held that baby the other day, and prayed that she would never know how she was concieved...all three (4) are togather in foster care at this time...and a good home..VG

So here's a weird question...

If you were being raped in prison, would it be better to pretend like you like it? Maybe if you acted like you enjoy it, the guy will get grossed out and stop.

I'm not sure it's really the kind of situation where they care what you think...if they were afraid of being gay, I'm not sure they'd be raping you in the first place. It seems like the kind of thinking you just don't do in a situation like that, especially since you're so far removed from all the normal roles we have in society to begin with.

Right on the money.

The cold reality is that the prison system in general is sorely underfunded and overcrowded. Overcrowding leads to many things, including increased aggression levels in prisoners. As far as underfunding is considered, the prisons cannot hire as many corrections officers as they really need. When corrections officers are able to come across a situation such as a prisoner being raped, they are severely limited as to what they are able to do for both legal and personal protection reasons.

Unfortunately, our "rehabilitative" prison system is far from that, due to a lack of funding and lack of proven rehabilitative methods. There are lots of theories on what *should* be effective in decreasing recidivism, but unfortunately they have not really worked. Because of these problems along with many others, our prison system is not much more than a holding facility to keep convicted criminals out of sight and out of mind.

Probably more anal sex at Club Med anyways.

When I was a kid, I remember flipping through the channels and coming across Scared Straight. A big con was up in some kid's face screaming "how would you like to wake up in the middle of the night with a big black dick up your ass". That made a hell of an impact on me. Not that I was a troubled kid headed for more trouble. I'm just saying that if more kids knew what jail held, perhaps they would pull their heads out and wipe their eyes.

That's exactly what I heard from some people I know. You're pretty safe because there's a big enough supply of gays to fulfill the butt-sex demand.

Let's say you stole someone's car and robbed a bank after a drug deal went bad. Then the cops caught you because the trail of money from the ATM you stole lead them straight to your house.

Now you're in prison and, to make matters worse, your cell-mate, Bunny, pumps your ass all night.

The extra punishment doesn't fit the crime. Who deserves an ass-pumping (other than those violent sex offenders)?

A long time ago, the fate of a criminal would depend on scientific methods (though crude) for imprisonment or other forms of punishment, but perhaps we've since wandered a bit off course.

Not until sociologists, psychologists, and scientists play a more important role in the current sentencing/punishment/rehab aspects of the justice system will we ever have fair and effective treatment of criminals (with less non-consenting ass-rape). Despite obvious advantages, the road to such a system is nowhere near as straight, determined, and unwavering as your cell-mate's throbbing love-shaft.

Wow, I hold what seems to be a very different viewpoint here. If women that were in prison were being raped-especially as frequently as men are - everyone would be up in arms. Not all people in prision are horrible people. Granted, some are monsters, but others are in prision for less monstrous crimes, like money laundering, breaking and entering, grand theft auto, ect.

Obviously, rape is horrible - and for men to be raped is just as damaging psychologically/emotionally/physically as it would be for a woman to be raped.

Unless being raped is sentances, which I believe would fall under cruel and unusual punishment, it should not happen to anyone - male or female, prisoner or not.

I've done time in jail, but I'm female...but my boyfriend also did, and he never got raped. Let me point out that there's a significant difference between "jail," generally a county facility, and "prison," which is state or federal. I think there is a lot more of this sort of thing happening in prison than in jail. In jails, you're more likely to get beat up, have your commissary stolen or be coerced into trading your mystery-meat sandwich for an apple, be threatened by people of a different color than yourself, or get gang tags drawn on your ass while you're asleep. In prison, rapes happen more often, although as far as I know not as often as the myth would have it.

I'm appalled at those of you who are self-righteous enough to say "they deserve it if they're in jail." Do you really have so little compassion? Who do you think you are? Don't you realize how easy it is for any one of us to end up in jail at least for a day or two? You can get in a car accident and end up in jail. You can be in the wrong place at the wrong time and end up in jail. Do you obey every law 100% of the time? Hell, you're probably breaking one right now!

That would be fine, Id be in a womens prison lol!

Most of the women I was locked up with were scraped out of some ditch. Haggard, ugly, scarred, nasty foulmouthed bitches. Seen "Monster"? Sorry to disappoint.

I had a friend who got caught dealing grass out in Antigua, both him and his mate were teenagers at the time with long, blonde hair that was typical of the sort of skater crowd they were in. I can't begin to imagine how they were viewed or treated in prison, I saw the guy a few years later and apart from a slight speech impediment which caused him to say: "Yeah, Yeah, Yeah, Nah!" when trying just to say "yes", and the fact that he would no longer meet my gaze. He appeared relatively o.k!

I didn't have the heart to ask him any tough questions, I just hope he managed to look after himself the best he could in there...

..i'm sorry but that just made me laugh for like 10 minutes :) not dissagreeing or anything..just ...wow whatta way to put it lol...i cant help feeling that some people do deserve it..i was raped myself and i have to admit i wish the creep was in jail having his ass ripped open...but yea if all you did was like steal a car..then it shouldnt happen...but seriously..if it was a voilent crime then maybe its the actal punishment part of jail..since alot of offenders came from very low class areas..wouldnt jail be sorta like ..nice? warm, roof over your head, food, a soft bed ect...? i dont want my tax money to be going toward keeping some fucktart warm and happy in his cell..

oh i wasnt raped in jail btw..never been in jail...hopefully never will be..lol i think twice before jaywalking..then give myself a guilt trip later :)

That sucks Kiwi. Not agreeing or disagreeing with anyone's opinions here, but I'd like to point out that prison, while originally created as a form of punishment, has had its role altered. It is now considered to be a facility for resocialization, and is supposedly focused on creating productive members of society upon their release, rather than punishing them for what they've done; the warm, roof over their head, food, a "soft" bed, etc. stuff does not necessarily interfere with this role.

To my knowledge I have not had much contact with hardened criminals. I have not heard it "from the horses mouth" that there's much sodomizing going on within the penal system. I know it's not right by my tendency is to be disbelieving of this really being a rampant problem in the system. I imagine most of the general population has a somewhat similar response. They haven't heard it from and experienced or authoritative source so they would rather pretend that it's only a "urban legend" and go on with their lives.

My gut response is that if the criminal is a sexual offender I would allow another criminal to give him the same kind of treatment he gave. Otherwise I see it as just plain wrong. I would imagine that in some cases the prison authorities look the other way for several reasons. 1. Why SAVE a criminal from "punishment"? They ASKED for it. (I imagine some prison guards may adopt his kind of mentality when they must deal with these people on a daily basis.) 2. If the guards were to step into a situation they are possibly just delaying the inevitable since the situation will probably arise once again with that same individual that they protected because then they are "teacher's pet" so to speak. What did anyone ever think of the teacher's pet? They hated them usually. 3. Why would the guards endager themselves to protect a "criminal".

I disagree with this entirely, but not out of sympathy for the criminal/rape victim. We shouldn't allow any criminal to rape any other criminal because criminals should not be allowed to be rapists.

You're absolutely right. That's why criminals should not be allowed to do what they please while in prison (includng raping others).

Yup. Just because you are in jail does not mean that you did something wrong. You can spend months in jail waiting for your chance to prove your innocence in court.

"We find the defendant not guilty...sorry about that butt-full of semen. I guess you didn't deserve that after all. Rest assured that your new case of hepetitis can be controlled and you may not actually have AIDS. But get tested every 6 months, OK?"

Gah I just watched American History X for the first time. Great movie but damn.

I know a couple of people who've been in prison, and nothing like that happened to them. My uncle has been inside a couple of times, and he said that the only thing about it is how bored you get and how trapped and claustrophobic it gets... he said there were some people who had homosexual relationships, but not really any rape.

Perhaps it is different in the states, I dunno?

yeah, rape can definately be a power thing. As much as i dont care about what happens too much to really bad criminals, i dont like the idea of our prisons just being like satan's torture room.

seriously, if I was in prison and I saw a bunch of rapes going on, I'm NOT WIPING MY ASS AFTER I TAKE A DUMP.

lets see how sick and dirty these guys are if they want to pump my dirty, crusty hole. :lol:

I have a friend who works in one the state prisons where I live. He has told me stories of catching guys "in the act" or in another case, finding someone carrying a jar of Vaseline looking for a friend. He told me that the biggest problem is that once it has happened, the victim is usually either too frightened or embarrassed to say anything so the actor is left to continue his ways. Once they find out about it, the person is either held in solitary or sent to an area which is monitored closer. In other words, if it happens, say something.

I hear the trick is, kick someone's ass the first day or become someone's bitch. Then everything will be alright.

You'd be terriblely wrong.

Let me run it down for you the way my cousin told me.

1) You pick a fight. You don't know WHO that guy is or who he's connected to. So let's say you pick a fight with a guy who is a lifer. He gets to kick your butt since you started ish with him and likely the guards won't do much to stop it since you started it up. But let's say you do this and you win.
The likelyhood of you jumping somebody that belongs to a set is VERY VERY high. You not only just made an enemy with THAT guy which is stupid to begin with as he'll be itching to get you back unless you kill him as you just made him look like a bitch, but you also just made the enemy list of every guy in his set. And it'll be that much worse if you attack somebody not of your race. Which means you are fucked because there is no way you'll live after that if you make the enemy of a large prison gang if you are by yourself. So that means joining a gang yourself to have them watch your back. If you are lucky they will accept you but that now means you are their property until you get out of prison and in many cases even after you are out. But that also means if they tell you to shiv somebody...you've got to do it. If they tell you to gang rape somebody...you've got to do it or else you are now marked by two groups of people and nobody else is going to touch you.

So as you can see the movie stereotype of come in like a hardass and you'll be ok is a lot of crap and likely will get you beaten horriblely or killed in the long run.

Just be respectful of other people and their property. Accept no favors from anybody as there is no FREE favor. Keep to your own race(sucks but it's true), and keep your eyes and mouth shut. You didn't see anything you didn't hear anything. And if at all possible if you remotely have any religious bone in your body getting in tight with the religious people as prisoners will be less likely to screw with one of the "model prisoners" as that will likely get the guards on their asses for no reason.

I was paraphrasing office space.

But I will keep your advice in mind.

That made me lol.

I agree with what someone said earlier, the guards and the government should be running the prisons, not the prisoners.

Lockjaw has it right. You can't walk in and act like you're going to be running the place unless you've already earned some respect somehow. And you have to remember that when people are locked up, their world gets really small, so little things (like sitting in someone's chair) count for a lot. It's much better to lay low and get a feel for who's who first, and show them some courtesy.

This worked for me for about six months until I unfortunately got picked on by a Mexican woman and had to stand up for myself...the outcome was that I ended up having to associate myself with this awful white supremacist chick (I'm white), as much as I disagreed with her whole trip and disliked her personally, I needed the protection and it was better than having all 30 of the Mexicans in the place making my life a living hell. It didn't help that I was friends with the two black women in the place (there were only two of them), and it didn't help that I'm a free-thinking liberal, unbiased type. When you're in their world you have to play by their rules pretty much - it's adapt or lose, that simple. It's exactly like Lockjaw said, I ended up having to join a group I didn't really want to because nobody else was going to watch my back. The women, of course, aren't big on the whole ass-raping thing but they will do plenty of other things to mess with you if they take a dislike to you.

Lockjaw's got it spot on.


and I only saw one person get raped--someone who shook his baby to death while he was angry.

Most weren't comfortable with what was going on, but fucking with the situation would have sparked some nasty race shit.


My understanding is more raping happens in the women's pen than ours, maybe squisher can confirm.

oh, and btw, squishor, penitentaries were originally not forms of punishment, but places of confinement while the prisoner got right with his soul (not least of all because he was about to be killed).

That must be why they call them penitentaries, huh?

I was never in prison, but spent a fair amount of time in county jail. I only heard of one rape having occurred - just a story someone told. And I was talking to a lot of the parolees, too, since I thought I'd be going there. But who knows, maybe it does happen more than I know - I'm no expert.

BTW it's Squishor. :)

Interesting thread. I personally think that being sent to prison is punishment enough and the rapes are totally unneccessary even if the person is a monster freak.

So, Squishor, what's it like in womens jail, is anyone there ever hot? What kind of weird stuff have you witnessed? I'm just wondering.

I'd say the percentage of "hot" was about 5% or maybe 10% to be generous. Except in the summer when everybody was hot, since of course there's no AC.

I only ever saw the inside of one little county jail in my medium-sized town, so like I said, I'm no big expert. But it's mostly like being locked in a big cement room with a really high ceiling and no windows with a bunch of sweating, cursing, scarred-up, nasty drug addicts who want to steal your stuff, listening to really loud rap music echo off the walls. The other times, it's like being locked inside a much smaller cement room with one other smelly, nasty, scarred-up drug addict who won't stop talking about her sad life story. Oh, and a metal toilet, where you would like to flush your cellmate's head. Then, if you're lucky, you go to minimum security, where you either sit in complete bordom while the ladies watch tv and talk about each other and their sugar daddies, or you work like a dog in the kitchen slopping slop. Those days are the best, of course, because they go faster. I don't think there's any need to add rape to the day's activities.

I can't tell you how many times I've avoided criminal behavior and subsequently NEVER found myself facing or actually doing time in prison. The fact that men are raped there is not appealing to me. The consequences of prison should not include that however the fact that it does should provide just one more reason to avoid criminal, malcontent, socially deviant, thuggery behaviors that could potentially land you there.

i've always thought that it was just something that you hear in the movies or stories and that it is never true, how can you get raped in front of a official? i know they problaly don't care or anything but it's just wrong.

It's true. Not crazy wide spread like some would have you believe but it does happen. Just like you can get shanked, or somebody can put a hit on you.
As far as getting raped in front of a guard...one of two things...
1) The guards don't care.

2) The guards aren't going to be ever present.

Just for clarification, Jail is where you go until your trail.. Prison is where you go when the trial is over.

Not exactly.

Jail is used to house misdemeanor convictees, (usually < 1 year; although some unlucky sop might get a sentence of multiple sentences run consecutively)

prison is used to house felony convictees (usually > 1 year; although parole violators may get less)

Sapiens, i couldnt agree with you more! The people legislate the system and should have complete control over it, regardless of what crime the criminal has commited. It is a breach their constitutional rights and that is that!

I think a lot of people are confusing something that happens in prison to the punishment. Ass raping is not part of the sentence. The judge may sentence a violator to 10 years, but Bunny the Fister brings the ass attention. Eliminating it would require totally isolating prisoners and private cells. Both not very practical ideas. As it is, the ass pounding should serve as a deterrent.

It's a stereotype, it doesn't happen as much as the popular TV/Movies would lead you to believe.

I personally know someone in prison and he said that type of shit doesn't happen and everyone is cool with each other for the most part. Occasionally you get someone who thinks they're tough shit, but usually they get put in their place. Even when he was in Wayne County (jail in downtown Detroit) while awaiting trial, he said it wasn't bad.

It's no PARADISE, but it's not like they make it out to be in movies/tv.

But for the most part, if you're cool w/ them, they're cool with you.

My girlfriend knows someone in a pretty tough prison down in PA, and while that place can get rough, no one participates in the butt fucking.

Personally, if I was in prison, I would refrain from wiping after going numero dos. No one in their right mind would want to penetrate a layer of shit just for a few moments of fun :D

I didn't take the time to read all the posts. But here are some of my observations.

I worked as a corrections officer in Louisiana at Elayn Hunt Correctional Center as well as did my training at Louisiana State Penetentiary.

1) Contrary to popular belief in movies, the inmates DO NOT run the prisons. However, many officers do or feel they need to get a little "help" from some inmates. I worked in a dorm where you had two officers equiped with one beeper/one way-radio to 130+inmates. Unless the officer was doing something he wasn't supposed to be doing it was virtually impossible for an inmate to rape another one. Now consensual sex between a punk and his man is something different. As soon as they would be identified, many times by the inmates themselves, they would be separated.

2) Most inmates are not looking to rape or get raped. It is very few, normally ones that become problem inmates to other inmates or inmates that are very very weak. Normally, inmates take care of them by kicking their ass as opposed to fucking them in the ass. However, corrections officers can prevent it by just simply making their rounds or being alert.

3) Most prisons have protective cells where certain inmates can request to go into or they can make it so they get placed in there. Such as inmates that cause problems to other inmates or the staff.

It is not a given that you will get raped when you go into prison. From my experience, you just about have to be asking for it and I don't mean walking around asking someone to rape you.

All that being said there are exceptions to every rule.

Getting raped is part of your sentence. It's just something unavoidable when you kill somebody and have to live in prison for a couple of years. I mean, do you really think that this is only going to jail and stay there? it's not a vacation you know...

And I believe that when you're a big offender, I mean, a rapist, a bank robber or a murderer then you go to the most dangerous jails, and if you are not such a criminal (ie, when you don't pay your taxes) then you go to a more secure jail and you save your ass.

I guess...

Getting raped is not part of the punishment/sentence. That's a pretty ridiculous thing to say.

Regardless of how you personally feel about criminals, even one who, say, killed and raped a helpless old lady, it is illegal to knowingly give someone a cruel or unusual punishment. It's illegal for the guards or any correctional officer to knowingly allow this to happen.

As much as you'd like it to be, the system isn't "eye for an eye" because even though they're a criminal and aren't fit to live in society, that doesn't make them exempt from the 8th amendment.

Getting anally raped is considered torture and humiliation.

but dont some people deserve it? i mean there are people who have raped and killed their own children...dont they deserve it? i know i'm not the most open minded person...but i really think that not only is the sexual violence a deterrent but in some cases even deserved.

Still not exactly.

There are plenty of people in jail serving sentences for felony convictions.

The guards aren't doing the raping and if they can stop it they will but as I said guards can not be ever present at all times just not going to happen.

In the book of karma the true slime deserve it just like embezlers deserve a nice beat down, but I don't think anybody is advocating rape rooms for our prisons. You stop what you can and to be honest getting raped isn't the worst thing going on in the prison system.

Kinky Kiwi: Who are we to decide who deserves the punishment of rape? In my eyes the main function of a prison is to keep the public safe, and thus we are forced to determine how long someone must be locked away. But as far as cruel and unusual punishment goes i think rape is towards the top of the list and isn't exactly the best way to help a prisoner reform. I would much rather see someone who has commited a crime become a beneficial part of society and a reformed person, then see them be punished and locked away for the rest of their lives.

And if you're religous (christian), or just a reminder of a generally accepted moral... Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

Using that logic, then who's to say that people who've been killed/raped by these criminals didn't deserve it?

If you can find the key to rehabilitating prisoners you will be a very rich person. Different methods have been tried for years and years and the sucess rate has been pitiful.

Sure, just raise taxes. Why should all my hard work go to feed my family when I could use more of my paycheck to keep criminals better supervised.

The death penalty is very effective. Or could be with a few revisions to a few laws. Why keep a monster alive for so long when all he's ever going to do is make life tough on other people (guards/prisoners sentenced to less-than-life terms).

I don't mean to pick on mo42 specifically, but there are a lot of problems in this country and in the rest of the world. How criminals are treated in prison is WAY down on my list of things to fix.

the ethical route: for every x persons imprisoned, y is innocent. for every x persons raped in prison, y is innocent.
even heartless fucks who think poor people guilty of holding up a convenience store for food deserve to be humiliated in the already unfair and unbalanced and unchecked prison system in america surely don't think the many innocent people that are surely deprived, fuck this sentence...
the prison system in the us is the single most disgraceful aspect of our society and will live in infamy long after the united states gasp "rosebud"

as far as i've heard. they don't consider themselves gay. its the person they rape that is called gay... go figure! :confused:

but, i have no sympathy 4 crims that get raped.

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The death penalty is very effective. Or could be with a few revisions to a few laws. Why keep a monster alive for so long when all he's ever going to do is make life tough on other people (guards/prisoners sentenced to less-than-life terms).


i like this guys attitude.

GO VERMIN!!

Sorry to revive this ol' thread.

I've been sent to jail before..Didnt get raped but did get quite a beating. One thing I've noticed is that as soon as I was arrested til this very day I feel extremely sorry for what I did, and I would never ever do it again. Is it right to send someone to jail and be raped while they feel regret and sorrow for their crime?

I feel that yes, my imprisonment was punishment. I'll never do a crime again, but now I feel a cut that cant be healed is inside me. There must be better ways to punish/rehab our criminals.

I’ve been in the system 14.5 months (still have 8 to go ;-) hurry up August!!!). I didn’t end up going to prison, I was allowed to go into a work release program at a local jail. I work all day, go in at night. I was lucky, I kept my career as a software developer, I didn’t get a conviction, I learned a valuable lesson – greed won’t get you anywhere. I did a few weeks full time before they let me go back to work, you get by. Just keep to yourself, mind your own business and read a lot – learn something if you can. The worst part of my situation was waiting on my final court date to figure out what was going to happen to me. I was looking at 15 years in prison. I didn’t know until the final moment what was going to happen. It was the hardest thing I’ve ever gone through.

Comments like “criminals deserve it” really piss me off. Really, really piss me off. In my mind, a criminal is someone who causes harm to someone (theft, physical abuse, rape, etc). Just because you’re in the system does not make you a criminal deserving of any sort of physical abuse. Now a days people get locked up for being at the wrong place at the wrong time every day. Laws have been made to turn the system into a money maker for communities to generate revenue. People get setup and put into situations they normally wouldn’t be in for some cop to make a name for himself.

I’ve never seen any sort of sexual abuse happen – thankfully - but it’s a fact of life in and out of prison. In a lot of ways our fabulous media sensationalize the misfortune of individuals to generate ad revenue. Shows like Oz make it seem like it’s an everyday occurrence – its not. From what some of the other inmates say, prison isn’t too much different then jail, it’s just on a much larger scale (and it’s hard as hell to get work release ;-)).

Just remember:

Drive drunk? get in a bad wreak where someone gets hurt? You might end in jail/prison.
Sell drugs in college? Get busted? You might end up in jail/prison.
Do drugs? Get busted with the wrong amount on your way back from the dope mans? You might end up in jail/prison.

pretty much sums it up :lol:

Our jail has other "Trusty" jobs besides the kitchen crew. You can do laundry all day, clean the shit at the dog pound, work the jail maintenance crew, sort recycling goods at the land fill, and the ever popular "road crew" (where most people start off).

Road crew - you get to walk up and down the sides of the local roads picking up trash in black and white stripes for 8 hours a day, 5 days a week. I did that for a month. One time a local homeless vet died, he didn’t have any family or anything, so the road crew had to dig a grave and bury the poor soul. You really, really, really think about why your in jail, what you did to get in your situation, and what you can do to NEVER GET BACK IN F'N stripes again. You do get nice sack lunches for you 20 minute lunch break - 3 slices of <b>government</b> bologna *shiver* on 2 slices of stale bread and maybe a moldy apple or orange.

Manual labor is IMHO the best crime deterrent imaginable.

if rape is a just punishment, then why leave it to the prisoners to inflict?

would you rape someone to try to punish them or to restore social order?

i should hope not.

Oh, and recall how more juviniles are charged as adults? Think about that:

http://www.spr.org/

That people are willing to accept a criminal justice system whose terror is maintained with institutionalized sexual abuse...terrifies me.

I think this happens more in federal prisons than in county jails...I have several friends that spent a significant amount of time < 1 year in county jail and they didn't see any of this...it's when you get into prison that people get desperate because they will be in there for decades.

sounds like bad news if you ask me

I still want to know what judge and or jury has sent anyone behind bars to be raped. Getting raped is something that happens, not something that is designed into the punishment. I agree, getting raped in jail is likey a very bad thing and the prospect of getting your ass probed by your cellmate should be taken into consideration before pulling a gun out and taking a couple hundred bucks off the old man at the liquor store.

I my opinoin, prison is already to cushy...you don't do much work, get fed, get a place to live, etc, so in my mind, anything that makes it more a detterent to prospective crimineals in deffinatly a good thing

Uhm yeah, most people do work while in jail/prison. You basically do all the jobs no one on the street would want to do, and you do it for free.

Loosing your friends, family, significant others. Loosing your freedom that’s the deterrent.

Telling someone they deserved to get raped because they made a bad judgment call and ended up in the system is just as bad as telling "Jane" she was asking for it when she wore a skirt in public.

When you take a shit, just don't wipe your ass.

I don't give a damn how horny or "dominant" one might think they are, they're gonna turn away when confronted with an ass caked with shit.

Yea All the crazy "lifers" are in Federal Pens. Also county jails tend to be more isolated. The one in our county looks clean and new inmates have there own cells and they are in them for 24hours a day minus 3 meals and a common area time of 1 hour

So if people think rape is good punishment, why stop there? Why not let them murder each other? They deserve whatever they get for doing things like selling drugs.

One thing to keep in mind is that most folks in prisons will eventually be released. If you treat them like animals, that is what you will be releasing back into society.

The best advice I've gotten from a former inmate was "Never let anyone punk you." Even if you don't stand a chance, fight back, the guy isn't going to be looking for a fight; he's looking for somthing warm to put his dick in.

Jail isn't as bad as it sounds. Sure if you drop the soap it's an easy target. Remember some of these guys aren't going to see daylight so an ass is the only sex they are getting. If you know people on the inside nothings going to happen to you. Sure it happens at every prison. If you don't know anyone and don't know how to fight chances of you becoming someones "Bitch" is high. I know these things because a relative of mine has been in prison for 18 years. Now I have heard a lot of stories about stuff that happens. I been going to prisons most my life to visit and everything. Sure there is a lot of things that happens but depends the Jail/Prison you goto.

I feel sorry for people in jail who are innocent, but for the rest of them, I don't put too much thought into deterring this action. I just don't have a lot of sympathy for criminals.

Were you pitching or catching?