I think he is quite obviously mentally ill. If nothing else, the "man" needs counseling. If he's guilty, I hope he doesn't get O.J.'d and instead pays for his actions. I can only imagine that the prosecutors really made sure to dot their i's and cross their t's this time around - the old "fool me once..." saying applies I'm sure.

Maybe he'll make money by being a motivational speaker for NAMBLA?

Yeah, you're right, it's rude. It's also what I believe should happen to ALL convicted sex offenders. (yeah, I know, he hasn't been convicted yet, if at all) Life sucks, it's what happens in prison, like it or not.

maybe it does... but who are we to convict someone... especially when the story hasn't even been heard?

Um, that's what the jury system is based on, us convicting/freeing someone.

Seriously though, the Smoking Gun has some info on the parents of this kid. Maybe Jacko's innocent after all?

Edited:

Good job Dano, you moron. You forgot to post the link. Sorry, here it is.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/mjaccuser1.html

i think he needs to be arrested

We're not convicting him. We're mearly having a discussion...

I am waiting to hear what the "rubba rubba" game is that he supposedly played with boys.
And while an occasion might occur where a 13 year old would sleep with a man who was not his father or brother, to make a practice of it seems very suspect.

as usual, I wonder how the Smoking Gun gets a hold of all these things when "real" news agencies have nothing.

Bias may work both ways, but Im inclined to smile at the TSG Article.

This is one sick puppy,guilt or not he is in the shit.

Well I could feel symoathy for him if he's not guilty, but being the celebrity hating bitter cynic I am:

In the words of Nelson Muntz: "HAR HAR"

Not to sound harsh, but really....If you had a rough childhood and have "issues", sleeping with 12 and 13 year-old boys is not the answer!!!

Go to therapy. Talk this out. Exorcise your personal "demons" and get on with your life. But act like an adult, for Pete's sake! Okay, I realize that 45 is about the time when a lot of men have their mid-life crisis, but since Michael's been doing this for pretty much his entire adult life, I don't think it qualifies as "crisis"-type material.

I agree with Art....just as the Catholic Church is dealing with its mess - rather publicly, I'm glad to say - the law's focus is moving on to Michael Jackson. In both cases, loads of money have been thrown about, but now that it's gone to criminal proceedings there cannot be a settlement in either case that doesn't involve some sort of jail time.

Good!

I'm sure Michael will make someone a lovely wife in the "big house"....

Oh, and just so you know: the reason he's so afraid of the sun is simple - he can melt, you know! That much plastic surgery on anyone is just inviting disaster.....

I find this whole public lynching even sicker than the thought of him being guilty of what they accuse him of having done.

A replay of what happened a decade ago. He paid to make the trial go away, and quite frankly, I would have too. When bullshit like this gets started, common sense and facts go out the door. Few people on this board have any facts regarding this case, all of it is based on what you read in the papers or watch on FOX. Sorry, but to me that is not enough evidence to get a public lynching and bashing any support from me.

Even if he were a pedophile, he's a far cry from being the only one. I'd say that few pedophiles out there get as much media attention as this alleged one. He's a pop icon, he's rich, he's socially awkward. So naturally he MUST be guilty of at least SOMETHING.

He's innocent as far as I am concerned unless he gets convicted. The fact that he paid to make the trial go away 10 years ago proves nothing to me, one way or another. The kid whose parents took him to court ten years ago said at the time that MJ never did anything to him. Besides, if my child was sexually abused, I wouldn't accept a plea bargain. That's like setting a price tag on your child's innocence and emotional security. It doesn't matter what you end up using that money for. It's immoral to accept a cash settlement under such circumstances. But that's just me.

The public needs someone to vent on. The media needs someone to make money off of. This month is MJ, next someone else. Who gives a fuck.

For those of you who think he will get off by throwing money around, you're wrong. Right after he did that last time, they passed a law that wont let him pay off an accuser until all is done with the courts.

That law gave the courts the ability to stop the legal proceedings associated with a civil trial if it may impact a criminal trial. There is no way for the prosecution to compel the testimony of the alleged victim if the victim and/or his parents don't wish him to testify. If MJ decided to pay the "victim" off he could always just put some cash in an account in the Cayman's or somewhere and when the boy refuses to testify, the funds are released.

Of course, I am of the opinion that he will be vindicated and I think the last thing he will do after the public relations fiasco of the last time is settle. I just wanted to point out that there are ways around the new law and that it isn't as broad in scope as the prosecutor and the media make it out to be.

From MS-NBC

“I am told that this whole thing started when the boy went to a therapist and started talking to the therapist,” says Levin. “And certain things were said that alarmed the therapist. Under California law, he has a duty to contact authorities if the therapist either believes or has reason to believe that there’s child abuse. And that’s what the therapist felt.”

I don't know about MJ in all of this, but I do know that I do NOT trust anything that comes from the couch of a therapist.

And before anyone rushes to defend therapy...no I have never been, no this is not based on anything more than a gut feeling, yes I am glad that therapy works for some folks, etc. etc.

Mainly I guess I'm too afraid of false memory to trust therapy. Especially on a young child who has apperently been previously abused by his father.

Apparently the accuser is the boy who was in the documentary. I'd post a link but I don't know what the protocal is on that here.

Here's the link
http://dailytelegraph.news.com.au/st...storyid=534904


I saw the documentary with this boy, and it was CREEPY.

I'm not sure why it was revealed that this is the accuser. It could be totally false, ala the Kobe Bryant leak.

Ever heard of people in realityshows saying that they cut the show so taht certain aspects looked worse than it really was?

Yes, and I say they're idiots. You can only do so much with editing. Jackson said the things he said, there is no doubt about that. You can't edit words into people's mouths.

Yeah I know but I did an interview when I worked in gun sales. It was on the local television station. They cut and spliced things so that it looked really like I was some young woman come in to BUY a gun. Don't really understand why they did that. Maybe they couldn't stand the idea of a WOMAN behind the gun counter - or they couldn't get enough women who really wanted to BUY a gun. Either way. They can do so much more than you can imagine.

these charges don't have a thing to do with michael jackson's talent, generosity or childhood.

some part of me empathizes with anyone being sent to jail but that's what needs to happen.

whether michael jackson is some emotional developmentally-arrested peter pan manchild is irrelevant. those children he slept with were not.

Man, where to begin my short tangent here lol.. but anyways.

I liked a few of his songs, then grew tired of his lameness of a celebrity. When i saw him hang a child, (speculations are still out wether its a live or doll), out a bedroom window.. My mind was made up.. the dude had to go down. (he is a dude right?)

then the child thing miffed me.. wondering? read my sig below heh.

now they got a chance. soon this sorry sucker will have inmates singing his song "beat it" to him day and night. yeah see, no matter what prision you go in.. no matter what they had done.. remember this. they hate child molesters.. they usually get owned.

hey M.J. lol that glove trick wont work with you like it did with O.J.

I dont know- my gut reaction to the man is and always has been aversion- I think that he is guilty, but despite this I am (as usual) pissed at the media's handling of the situation- also, much of my reaction has no doubt been shaped by the media's portrayl, and I doubt that any of us would like the minute details of our lives showcased to the world- all in all its a bad scene- and I doubt it will leave the world more enriched or improved

I agree with Gak, Numist and Lordjeebus.

I feel very sorry for the guy, he is obviously extremely fucked up but that does not make him a child abuser. I am however not 100% sure that he isn't as you can never be sure. If my kid had been abused i wouldn't settle for money I would want justice and i think it is suspicious that they did settle for it.

I believe innocent until proven guilty so we will have to wait and see.

I didn't know his music too well growing up, just in the last couple of years listened to his old stuff. Makes no difference to me, than any other celebrity. If he's guilty, sure, lock him up.

Now it is being reported the company he and his lawyer chartered the plane from that took them from Las Vegas to L.A. taped their conversations and has been trying to sell those tapes to media outlets. Now I'm no MJ fan, but that's just low.

From CNN:

"Geragos said he and Jackson were recorded while flying between Las Vegas, Nevada, and Santa Barbara, California, where the singer surrendered to authorities on suspicion of child molestation Thursday.

Geragos said his legal team obtained a restraining order from a court in Los Angeles that prohibits XtraJet, the airline that he said placed the cameras aboard the plane, from disseminating tapes of the conversations."

Don't suppose that the celebs that can afford to charter those jets will be doing so in the future.

You know, to be honest, I have this strange feeling that this whole thing is bullshit. I'm still stuck on the fact th at R. Kelly got off and no one has heard too much about the outcome of a idiot who actually videotaped himself with minors. Geeezzz, how stupid could you frigg'n be. But, Jackson on the other hand, he may be weird and a "bit" (haha) color tainted still hasn't had sound evidence presented to the public. Hell, I can convince my 13 yr old daughter to admit that Jackson fondled her and make her like it for $20 million. Honestly, think about it. WHAT WOULD YOU DO FOR $20 MILLION DOLLARS USD?

Just a lil to the left, no, a lil more
Ok, curve it up, higher, higher.... Ahhhhh, that's the spot......
lol

Oh yeah, if you think Jackson is a menace, what do you think about all these dayum priests pocking these young boys all day everyday. That is a mother#@$@#%$ shame, and who's doing something about that? The Pope can't even control his peeps, actually, I wonder how many he's had himself....

Just something to ponder.....

Uh, you're going to hell for that you know... ;)

Here's an interesting outlook. Stanley Crouch's opinion piece on R. Kelly has a couple of things to say about M.J. too. The fact that M.J. leads such a bizarre lifestyle as it is, he gets a lot less flak from the press than R. Kelly.

STORY LINK

MJ is innocent on all counts.

just cuz hes weird doesnt mean hes crazy so maybe hes gotten addicted to plastic surgery that doesnt make him catholic

if they send him to prison hes going to wish he was still a normal black man instead of the little white girl he is now. im pretty sure most prisons keep sex offenders together away from the other prisoners to keep them from getting killed. but that also means he would be grouped with all the rapests.
Just a thought in case everyone else didnt think of it.

Bringing back this old thread... TheSmokingGun.com posted a bunch of stuff a couple days ago... if only 10% of it is true, than he should spend his life in jail, IMO.

I would say - first of all - I am suspicious that people making the allegations are going to law firms, and not the police. What is the motive - what is the motive of the first person you dropped their case in 1993 when they were paid off? if I had been abused, I would want justice, and I wouldnt touch the money of the person who did it to me.

I am not sure Jackson is morally responsible for his actions - whatever they are, in a very real sense I am not sure that he does understand what is right and wrong in this regard.

I think it is impossible for him to have a fair trial - clearly he has done things which are impropper, and I think he will be sent down, in my opinion it would be most appropriate for him to be committed to physciatric care... although I am not sure he will ever get better,

People can point at his hard childhood, but as has been pointed out, mant people have lived through worse and broken the cycle... Jackson has had more opportunities than most, but everything he has had has corrupted him. I just think he is not sane.

I don't see how any of you could POSSIBLY have enough information to decide whether or not Jackson is a pedophile/pedarest/whatever.

You simply don't have any good evidence...this is something our justice system will have to decide.

It seems like whenever these court cases get put on tv, everybody has to act as though they're some sort of expert. It really is disgusting to me. I guess I just don't like to see people judge others unless they know of their actions first hand.

quite right.

They better lock him up for good..I want to see that scum rot in jail