getting away with murder
 

if you could kill someone and KNOW you could get away with it, would you?

i think i could get away with it. first off, i'd use a .22, because no one tracks .22 ammo, and two shots in the head, through the eye (Mossad execution style) will drop anyone. its small and doesn't make a too loud a noise.

i would drive a few towns away, to a town i've never been in. at night i'd go to someone's house.

maybe i'd wear a wig. maybe i'd muddy up the license plates to the car, just in case.

knock on the door. whoever answers gets two shots in the face, and i'm gone.

i would be gone before people knew what happened.

no motive. no evidence. they won't have a suspect because the person wouldn't know me and i wouldn't know them. a totally random killing. nothing stolen, just a dead body for no reason. the perfect murder.


so i'm pretty sure i could get away with it, fuck, i know i could. would i do it?

no. i just don't think i could kill someone, not even for a good reason, like if they were a child rapist.

and i don't believe you ever truly "get away with it." you might never be caught, but it will always be with you, and it will eat at you for the rest of your life. (i guess that is the difference between me and a crazy psycho killer like the talking heads sang about. we both have the thoughts, but i know it's wrong and i won't do it)

so, i don't think i could/would do it. (see blahblah454, i'm not a psychopathic criminal. at least not a murderer)

you?

Well...I cannot make that same statement. With the proper motivation...yes, yes I could. "Proper motivation" being, of course, quite relative. To use your example of a child rapist, if it were your child, I may be induced to turn a blind eye, but I'm not going to do the deed. If it were my child, however, no amount of police protection is going to save him from me.

The "random" scenario that you painted, on the other hand, is just a little "out there"...to put it mildly. There is no amount of boredom that could induce me to just go out and put a bullet into the head of someone selected by process of eeny meeny miney moe.

I'm not killing anyone...

Whether I legally get away with it or not, a human's blood would be on my hand. I can't hack that...

I don't even kill bugs, man...

Well, There's tons of serial killers out there and the reason they get away with it again and again is the fact that there's no motive.

I swear there's been a thread like this before, I'm wondering what I said in it, heh. Anyway I don't think I'd kill anyone if I knew I'd get away with it. I don't think I could hate anyone so much that I could live with myself knowing I took their life.

I could think about it, I could plan it (I've planned many in my head a people that pissed me off to no end), In my head I've tried to plan the perfect murder (I read toooo many true crime books lol) but at the end of the day....I really dont think I could do it

That depends. Do you consider assisted suicide murder?
Because I strongly believe in the right and if I had the means and a loved one who wanted help, I'd do it.
Could I drive to someone's home in the middle of the night and pop them?
With the proper motivation, yes. Hurt me, hurt my family, my loved ones enough, yes.
But I'm not going to jail for some random person.

Interesting, I am not against assisted suicide. I look at like if you take something from someone without asking it's theft but if they ask you to take it, It's not. If you get in a fight with your friend, you could go to jail for assault, but if he doesn't press charges, then you're free to go. So to me, assisted suicide would not count as murder.

A random killing like you described? No, I don't think so. I think with enough motivation and a true threat to myself or my family, I could do it in defense.

My method: stab with an icicle (a super strong icicle?). Murder weapon melts, I'm very careful to leave no other traces of myself.

If you're assuming a muddied license plate, I guess you're assuming some kind of witness. A witness that will, if they can get your plate most likely will also get a make/model/color on your car. They'll also probably at least get your sex and skin color. If you drive a popular car, this can be a very long list, but that list has to be culled down to those also owning a .22. and Still probably a rather long list, but not as long as you might think.

You're also going to have to get all that mud off your plates, a tricky bit considering any trace could implicate you since 'muddied plate' is easier to remember than the actual number.

What about your neighbors, anyone around who might notice you missing? Say a second shifter just getting out?

Are you already in a fingerprint database? What about the tires on your car, the treads of your shoes, you're going to have to avoid mud with those things entirely.

I don't think it's as easy as you seem to think it is.

no, i don't see assisted suicide as murder. i'm talking about killing someone who had no plans to die that day.

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actually, i was assuming no witnesses, i just kinda threw in the wig and muddy plate as extra bonus. (just in case there were witnesses? yeah, what was i thinking).

at night, no witnesses. i'm not worried about the tire treads, this isn't cousin vinny.

If I had not motive for killing someone, I'm sure I could get away with it, but alas, that leads us back to my opening point.

Never. My henchmen do that for me.

*Baraka_Guru disappears into the shadows*

Of course, if you killed someone who harmed your child, you would never get away with because you would be the first suspect the police would look at .. so that does not fit the OP scenario.

I'll use myself as an example. Dark-colored Honda Accord. There are millions Accords out there, and green, black, blue, and grey are not easily distinguishable at night. White male, I'm tall, but people have guessed my height as anywhere from 6'2" to 7'0". There are tens of millions of .22 guns in the country, only one of mine was bought in a store and left a paper trail, there's no gun registry, and even if there was, neither has a serial number.
Quick hose-down and hit the carwash in the morning.
I have erratic hours. Last week, I was home as early as 3PM, and as late as 3AM, and I'll sometimes crash at a friend's house on weekends.
The fact that I have big feet is the narrowest category, but my shoes are size 13 right now and that's not all that uncommon. If it's raining, footprints and tire tracks aren't a problem, though. Fingerprints don't show up through nitrile gloves, and with thin cloth gloves on over them you'll avoid snagging.

Randomly killing someone and taking off leaves tons of evidence. If you are going to do it, you need to use a little bit of Dexter's style. Every last piece of the bodies of his victims is contained. There is no evidence that a crime was committed, only that a person has gone missing.

Well, this is a start. It shows considerably more forethought than the 'hop in the car with a wig and a .22' plan.

The scenario of no witnesses, guaranteed, still seems rather implausible to me.

Also, how do you expect the person to react to a stranger at the door late at night? Suppose the answer the door 12 gauge in tow, or call the police outright, or both. Especially if they can see what you're holding.

This thread worries me in the same way that it worries me when WillRavel comes over dressed in a $1800 suit with a nailgun in one hand and a rolled up tarp in the other. Random murder thrills? I mean, who sits around and ponders such things? It just doesn't sound kosher at all, guys.

...

Note to self: No TFP Meet-Ups with Squeeb.

I was fixing an axe-shaped hole in the wall, so I needed the nail gun. The tarp was because I was painting. I'm going to go return some videos.

In all seriousness, laws don't stop me from murdering people. The concern about getting caught doesn't stop me from murdering people. Not even the death penalty for premeditated murder deters me from murdering people. I place value on human life above all else. It's more valuable than anger, rage, hatred, vengeance, and jealousy, but it's also more valuable than laudable principles like justice, freedom, equality, and self-defense. If nothing in this world is worth taking a human life, then no human life will ever be taken.

True, but boy-oh-boy do they frown upon it!

Oh, but there is plenty in this world that is worth taking a human life. Just not worth it to you. Homicide, murder specifically, has an endless array of "yeah, why not?" motivators. It seems to me that the value of human life has undergone such ridiculous inflation in the last 200 years. What are we worth?

that is one of the best movie quotes EVER.

and no, I will not make any announcement of such deeds or tasks. Plausible deniabilty. Didn't anyone ever watch the Billionaire Boys club?

We're worth whatever we collectively decide. It's one of those things that should be objective that ends up being subjective. War, capitol punishment, "self-defense", terrorism, blah, blah, blah; they're all excuses to go take a life that's not yours to take to begin with.

QFT!

But cynth, the problem with it is that you HAVE to listen to it. It just can't be read. For some reason Liam Neeson's (sp??) voice did it such fantastic justice!!

I think threads like this are a good thing, it draws attention to the woefully underfunded police force we have. Kill someone in another city? Unless the people they interview know you, you'll most likely get away with it. Even if you left tons of evidence (so long as your not in a database) or witnesses. Life is nothing like CSI. Detective work mostly consists of following bloody footprints and asking who don it. The only reason serial killers ever get caught is because they either form a pattern (dumping the bodies repeatedly within a several mile radius) or they taunt the police by leaving clues.

I could never kill someone just for the sake of killing.

I'd be hard pressed to stop myself if they hurt my son maliciously.

No, I wouldnt kill someone for no reason who I didnt even know.

If I had sufficient motive, yes I am pretty sure that I could kill a person and get away with it. No witnesses, no body, no crime.

lazy ass. lucky lazy ass to have henchmen, but lazy ass none the less.

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it doesn't have to be a random killing, or someone you don't know.

i used that scenario because i think that would be the best way to get away with it.

if you could kill someone and KNOW FOR SURE you would get away with it, would you?

don't matter if you know them or have a reason.

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damn, i was gonna come out to DC and buy you a beer at the 9:30 club

Make it Tony Joe's down on the waterfront. I'll have better vantage points and escape routes.

Let's talk contact poison. Dimethylmercury is an obvious one, .1ml can be enough to kill someone, and they'll appear asymptomatic for months before they die slowly and painfully, too late for intervention.

Then there's dimethyl sulfoxide. Great stuff, and anything you can dissolve in it will be absorbed through the skin and into the bloodstream. If you can get a few drops on someone, you can do the job. Golden poison frogs' secretions will kill at 100 micrograms, tetrodonic acid (blowfish poison) at about 500 micrograms. Both are soluble in DMSO.

I'm sure you can figure our how to splash a few milliliters of liquid on someone in public and make it look like an accident, if they even notice.
I believe that killing is wrong other than in defense or just war, so no.

How about a handrail in a public place? I mean, if you're looking to get away with something, go big or go home.

The point I was making is that if someone murdered the person you happen to hate most in the world, nothing short of a fairy godmother will enable you to get away with it. You are automatically prime suspect 1, 2 and 3.

Killing a random person is the easiest thing. Or hookers. People kill hookers all the time and get away with it, or get away with it for years and years. Pig farmers, truck drivers, they're doing that sort of thing all the damn time.

Edit: For the RCMP, FBI and MI5 who are monitoring this thread, that was a joke, like the one Jeremy Clarkson got in trouble for last year. I am not advising anyone to murder hookers.

nice, i like the way you think :thumbsup:

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yeah, that's why i personally chose the random victim. but i bet there is someone out there who is sure they could get away with killing someone they know and hate. you see them all the time on the news, usually on trial...

I play this game where I find things that are incredibly wrong or destructive, and then decide what I'd do if it didn't hurt, destroy, or maim in general.

Like car crashes. Imagine if you got in an intense and fatal car crash, the two of you get out of your respective cars, say "watch where you are going!", get back in your car and drive off. I'd do that.

Shoot someone if they got up. Sure.

Shoot someone and they wouldn't get up? I don't know. It depends. I can't say I wouldn't do it because I don't know that. It's a difficult question. If someone pushed me far enough it might "just happen". So I'd say, yes, I could probably do it.

I'd worry about anyone who says they could. But that's just me.

Anyway, I couldn't do it. I can't even step on a roach, much less kill someone.

Oh lord I can see the headlines now:

Like the old saying goes...

Some people are alive simply because it is illegal to kill them.

I wouldn't kill for shits and giggles, but frankly "there are people who need killin'".

Hold on, I've got this:

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a13...aInMyPants.jpg

Jesus H Christ!!

His middle name is Howard....