Salvia Divinorum
 

Anyone has tried it? Be carefull if you do, is very strong.
It's a pretty amazing herb. Gives you a different outlook towards life itself. It makes you feel like you are a soul inhabiting a body. :thumbsup:

I have seen these videos of "trips" that people have put on youtube, it looks nuts.

Don't do this to yourself........talk about really fuckin crazy..... just one example

http://www.erowid.org/experiences/su...html#Bad_Trips

that actually sounds pretty fun

hah! ya i saw one of my friends experience taped on video. sounds almost the same. When i saw the video, i was laughing my head off for 5min-10min. awesome stuff but i don't think i would try it.

I guess my idea of fun has changed as I've gotten older

From what I understand there are different levels to this herb. Green, Yellow and Red. Red being the strongest and obviously giving the strongest high. I can't remember what show it was but some people were handing out packs of yellow Salvia for people to try. Of course I tried it and it was pretty uneventful. :shrug:

I've always been curious about salvia and what kind of trip it would be. Is it really different from other trips or about the same? I would like to try it at least once to see how it is.

Is this the "legal bud" you can buy? I've heard it's bogus..But it might not be.. I think i'll just stick to smokin' tha ganja

Yeah it's legal from what I understand. Friend of mine smokes it every now and then and he says it's just a quick intense high.. so he just sticks with bud mostly.

Legal: Yes
Bud: HeeEEeeEellLlLL no!

Other than them both being green and having the ability to smoke them for their effect there is NO similarity between the two. As far as i know there isn't anything that will get you the feeling of real bud that isn't the real thing. It's DEFINITELY not this stuff.

Typically this stuff will last a whole 20-30 seconds. Also, it is not something to do alone (as you all may have noticed from the reactions in the OP). Always try to have at least one sober person with you to prevent you from doing something completely insane (because while you are on this stuff you ARE.)

Really the only reasons to do this is if you want to trip your fucking brains out and not do it all day like with other products or if you're a practicing shaman and want to contact spirits or travel the astral planes.. ..seriously.

It's VERY different. It's whack, definitely the strangest feeling I've ever experienced. You inhale, and you're holding it in, waiting for something to happen... suddenly, total ego loss and you're under its control. What happens there is questionable. One time I felt like I was stuck in the furniture and I couldn't figure out how to talk, as if my nerves had been rerouted or I was paralyzed. Another time, I thought I was being controlled by some external force like the puppet to a puppetmaster and I started spontaneously looking around my house trying to figure out who or what was doing it to me. Mind, this is all subconscious, it's not like you're actively thinking about it, it's more dreamlike and instinctive. Shortly, your ego starts to come back and you spend the next 10 minutes trying to figure out what the fuck just happened. YMMV. This was what I'd call a low to mid level dose with 10x extract. If you go even higher, you can be blown onto a whole other plane entirely. I haven't bothered going that far myself, it just doesn't do that much for me.

It's not like any other drug, it affects a completely different brain receptor system. The closest thing I can compare it to is a dissociative. If you've had weird experiences on those that might give you an idea. But this is like, weird to a whole new level. "Fun" is not a term I would use to describe it, it's not fun as in, that rollercoaster was fun, let's go again. If your idea of fun is seriously altering your consciousness then maybe. :lol:

I'm pretty happy with the reality I created for myself.

Never understood why people want to mess with their minds with substances who's actions we don't fully understand.

Salvia Divinorum translated means the Devine Sage.... I've tried it and it was kind of weird. My roommate initially told me about it and I was wanting to try it for so long. About a year after him telling me about it, I finally tried it. I took a hit off the bong and walked from the hallway where I did it to the couch and by the time I was to the couch I was hallucinating. The room was twirling in segments vertically with sprinkles on the edges of every spiral. I was laughing uncontrollably and couldn't close my mouth so I was drooling like nobodies business!

It was fun but a short high... I'd probably do it again if someone offered but wouldn't go out and spend my own money on it

interesting.
never heard of this stuff before. is it something that has become popular fairly recently?

it's not that great. it lasts like 30 seconds and i didn't feel it as strongly as i had heard about. the time i did it while drinking all it did was make me way drunker.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salvia_divinorum

This link contains user experiences that last anywhere from minutes to days depending on the dosage & concentration......
http://www.erowid.org/experiences/su...ealth_Benefits

what ever happend to mescaline........the real stuff ,not synthetic....always my fave...........good acid(hard to find) was swell but a little edgy.......???

.remember I was a "hippie"...:thumbsup:

xoxoxoo

One of the few drugs I actually tried.

To be honest, I wasn't impressed. All that happened was that I felt like someone was pulling the back of my shirt into the floor.

My friend, on the other hand, felt like he was under attack and charged straight into his 65" HDTV... he's lucky I was in the correct mind to catch it.

There was a big scare about salvia in the news a few months ago, my mom asked me if I had ever tried it and made me promise not to :rolleyes: Bill O'Reilly was claiming it's a legal alternative to smoking pot, which I tried to explain, but she didn't want to hear it. It's a highly dissociative drug that has been used in religious rituals for a long time. It's not a party drug, it's not for hanging out with friends and smoking, it's serious stuff
Mescaline is still around if you know where to find it. I don't. Good acid (if you can even find someone who isn't selling LSA, 5-MeO-AMT, DOB, DOC, or 2c-* and calling it LSD) is even rarer, with a bust in the Pacific Northwest drying up much of the west coast this summer.

its not that great. it hits you like a ton of bricks, instantly, and seriously fucks you up for a few minutes. i smoked it and like 3 seconds later i couldn't even move and felt like i was attached to table, couldn't talk. my friend got up and ran out of the apt. he came back like 10 min later and said he died and was on some other planet. believe all the bad trip stories you read...

it may sound like fun but it really is a strange fucking thing compared to shrooms and acid, etc. it just hits you so hard, so fast, its unnerving. definitely not for the weak of heart. just smoke some bud :)

and to echo what mrselfdestruct said, its definitely not a party drug. there are no parties when mr salvia comes to town lol

Wow, I wanted to rty it, but now I'm definitely scared to.
It seems that even when people try and choose the appropriate setting (private, quiet, calm place, with trusted friends) they still find a way to go insane and get into really scary situations...I read the bad trip stories on the link above. I sometimes bad trip on weed (actually, quite often), so I'm not sure if I wanna do salvia anymore.
The good thing with weed is no matter how high/tripping I am, I'm always able to tell myself (it's ok, you're just high.. ride it out, you'll be fine).
I bet really intense music + salvia wouldn't be a great idea.

If you trip on weed, I wouldn't recommend Sally D.....I've only seen 2 people in my life trip on weed, but it does happen. They both swore it was laced with something, but it wasn't. Just top notch bud.......

One thing you must understand as far as reactions to drugs is everyone's brain is wired differently and reacts differently.

For example, even when I first started drinking I could out drink even veterans. Alcohol was just never strong for me, however any amphetamines (doctor perscribed, or a couple times with X) I'm hypersensative to.... X kept me up for 6 days straight with no sleep. My friend is the opposite, where he can fall asleep the same night on X and goes down after his 3rd beer.

Salvia is this taken to the extreme. Either it will completely fuck you up and make you, say... charge your new tv or think you just died and went to a new planet... or it will basically do nothing to you.

Do I recommend taking it? Not really, it's not really what you'd consider a "spiritual drug" and it does not aid itself to parties. Also, don't pay attention to those retarded attention whores who video themselves taking it.. they're probably just faking it. The truth is most people feel pressed down into their seat, and only rarely run off and do anything. They just feel really scared and freaked out after they come out of it.

I smoke Salvia regularly, I've watched many videos about people tripping. My reccomandation is to smoke a small amount of 1 X strengh dried leaf salvia in a peacefull setting. Listening to some meditation type music and enjoy a great feeling, or smoke it outside in the middle of nature.
The Mazateca Indians in Oaxaca did not create the extract form that most people are referring to, like everything else in our society stronger, faster, bigger, must mean better. Not with Salvia.
It is not a party drug, if you smoke it with someone it has to be in a quiet setting not in front of a bunch of people asking you if your'e OK.
It does make you laugh but mainly it gives you a meditative high that last a few minutes but later on makes you feel calm and more aware of eveything, colors, light, sound etc.
I regularly smoke regular strengh dried leaf at a park sitting in my truck listening to andean music flutes, one day there was a guy flying big kites, an American flag was flying from the kites it was a beautiful great experience.
Smoked it with my SO sitting in the convertible overlooking the Golden gate bridge and had a great time both reflecting on life and peacefully conversing.

My reccomandation is to try Salvia at regular strengh, don't have to be a bong, just a little pipe will do, take a long deep hit and hold it for as long as you can. After you get acquainted with it at regular strengh you can add a "very small pinch" of the 10x strengh on top of the regular leaf and try that . Do not smoke the higher strenth Salvia by yourself.

That's a good point. It doesn't have to be a full-on trip to be enjoyable. I'll have to try lower doses.

I think mescaline has pretty much fallen off the market in favor of mushrooms, which are much more suited to cultivation. You need to be close to the source or grow your own.

First time I smoked, I took 4 hits off a pocket pipe, then my friend (think Tommy Chong if he were a tall white guy with a deep voice and high IQ) said, "Wait, when you packed the bowl for him, you gave him straight weed, not the stuff with PCP, right?" Turned out to be just good weed, but worrying about that on top of other things killed it for me and I didn't smoke for another three or four years.
Good advice. I can drink like a champ (although my tolerance is going down as my weight does) but anything that bonds to an opiate receptor kicks my ass.
Mescaline isn't profitable, people want LSD and research chems if they want to trip these days (unfortunately, a lot of dealers are either shady or don't know any better and sell DO* and 2c-* as LSD.) I don't know anyone in person or online who does mescaline and doesn't grow their own cacti.

I've done it, tastes very bad but I enjoyed the highs immensely. I don't know if it makes much difference but I always smoked it in a bong and held it in deeply for a long time.

One trip I remember, I was sitting there smoking a cigarette afterward and my left hand came up to take the cigarette and it was like my body was totally split in half like the right and left sides were separated. It was weird, but it just felt really cool. But every high for me was very unpredictable, and different from the last one. Never had a bad trip though, always enjoyed it, after I got over that initial taste.

I think one reason it seems like a short trip to most is it really fucks with your sense of time. It also fucks with your sense of reality but not to a point where you go nuts. It also is very intense at first then just mellows you. The mellow to me is better than weed because I wasn't "stoned", I felt more aware of what was around and more at peace.

Overall, I'd smoke Salvia again, I don't see anything wrong with it. Weed on the other hand, makes me extremely paranoid and horny.... not a good combo.

I don't think Salvia is a party drug, a drug many would even like but I did like it and would smoke it, once or twice a year, if it were available.

I also like Calea Zacatechichi and Damiana. They were very relaxing without the effects of sleeping pills, alcohol or barbs. They gave a sense of well being and restfulness, they helped me get some good sleep a few times during my first divorce.

Mixing Damiana and Calea with Salvia also helps with Salvia's intense high and horrid taste.

Salvia needs to be smoked in extract (usually 10-15%, but i think it goes up to around 40%, but then your reaching the limits of extraction potential) and with a turbo-flame lighter. The active compound vapourises at a higher temp than say, THC or nicotine, so needs a hotter flame than a regular lighter. Another curious aspect is that only around 80% of the general population has the ability to trip off it, the others don't react at all. I'll have to take a read to see why.

Other than that, it is vital to have a sitter with you, because when you get some good stuff, you'll be in another universe.

Are you talking from experience? My experience with Salvia makes your statement / point totally invalid. Imho

Anyone interested in this subject should go to

www.sagewisdom.org

The guy who runs this site is the real deal. I've just ordered the
"Sage Goddess"
tincture. and will be experiencing Sally D for the first time. I'm not sure how long after I get it that I'll try it. but the time will be right.

If you survive, let us know how it was! :p

i have never heard of that before

heh heh....I hope to.

Quasi, have you tried the Salvia?

I have heard from some that have said it only offers a mild euphoric sensation. He did use the salvia very cautiously, smoking small amounts. He admitted a larger amount may have made a difference. I realize there are other methods of using it as well.

Using it at the recommended dose should produce extreme dissociative and/or hallucinogenic effects.

i wasnt too impressed with it.

then again it was shroom season and i lived next to a cowfield...soo uhh, yeah.

I did some of the 40x extract a few times, some years ago.

Definitely one of the weirdest and most intense experiences. Not really enjoyable, not really unenjoyable either... just bizarre.

If you get a good dose of it, its comparable in strength to 5-mao-DMT or NN-DMT, with similar durations. Everyones experience in their head is usually different, so I'm not gonna bother trying to explain, but just know if you get a proper hit, or two, you will probably be immobile for the next 5 or 10 minutes... at least hope that you are.

Well, nothing to report yet. : (
I've gone in twice with the tincture at deliberate low doses just to get a feel for it and I may have over estimated the effects (from the tincture)

The next time I will have to dial down my caution and dose higher.

This preparation that I have is liquid tincture. It's supposed to be gentler but longer lasting. Not really as warping as some of the smokable leaf extracts.

I hope I'm not one of those salvia "hard-heads" that I've read about.

Plain and simple things you need to know about Salvia:

It is a trip, plain and simple.
Like a very short acid trip some would say.
If you plan on doing it, do it somewhere cool and somewhere comfortable. You get extremely hot.

You might find "THE ANSWER", but then you'll forget it.

For some of you...wear a bib.

Oh and btw...to smoke saliva you must ghost the hit.

I love salvinorin A. Great stuff if you know what you're doing. Gimme acid and DMT any day though.

Nothing like LSD at all. Much different head trip, different body trip and massive amounts more dissociation.

I wouldn't say it's like 5-MeO-DMT or DMT either. Maybe like a low dose of 5-MeO-DMT but that has its own unique signature too.

WTF? Sorry, but that's a load of toss.

It's legal in most civilised places but nothing like dope at all.

We understand their actions as much as we understand the actions of cheese and aspirin, for example.

Humans have tried to alter their consciousness for thousands and thousands of years - it's one of the most natural things we do besides fucking, fighting and feeding.

Exploring different states of reality is not really that different to travelling to other countries, sending men to the moon or going skydiving. You should try it one day if you can find a gap in your routine.

i've smoked salvia twice and both times were minnie mouse themed. the first time i felt like i was a factory or machine that was manufacturing these like...smurf villages but with minnie mouse instead of smurfs. i also remember when i was holding the smoke in, i was trying to count to 30 because that's how long you're supposed to hold it, but by the time i got to like 13 or 14 i was seeing the numbers dancing in front of me. i thought the number 15 was going to run into my friend, so i was like "hey watch out!" and you know those crazy trippy fractal patterns you see in trippy acid art? i saw those too. the second time, i thought i was a big red minnie mouse mailbox and my friend's painting which was sitting on an easel in front of me was a letter and my friend was going to put it in me and mail it to my other friend. my friend always thinks about mcdonalds when he's tripping on salvia, somehow he like...equates mcdonalds with how funny salvia is. here is a direct quote of him trying to explain his salvia trip "It's like we're all sitting together and everyone is laughing because it's mcdonalds, but then i'm laughing too hard and i go somewhere else completely and it's all really funny like mcdonalds. then i come back and everyone is sitting there laughing with me." i guess also the first time he tripped, he laughed so hard he pissed his pants because everyone around him turned into a big mcdonalds arch. so in my experience, salvia trips always have some kind of really weird theme. and it's also hilarious. funny stuff. my other friend says that he gets "lego-vision" which is where everything that is touching seems connected. kind of like legos. unfortunately everything does not turn into legos for him, although that would be fucking INSANE. also, one time, our other friend put a little salvia on top of a bowl of weed without telling him and he didn't really trip, but things were changing size based on sound...like cody put his hand up to his mouth and coughed and his hand got really big while he was coughing and then got small again. and he threw a lighter on the ground and when it hit and made a noise it got really big, then shrank down again. salvia is badass man. i have some 50x that i'm planning on smoking with some friends very soon :D good times man.

Weird...

I smoked it a couple of times a few years ago. My friend got some, which he said was pretty chill. We packed it with a little weed, and fired it up. I thought it was pretty tame. There were a few minutes where it was a little trippier than just getting stoned: the music echoed a little, I felt like I was attached to my sofa, some funky dimming of the lights and mild trails. But that was really it. Mostly I just remember than it tasted like ass. I don't know anyone personally who smoked it and freaked out. The stories of freaking out on it kind of sound like what happened to people I knew in college who got a bad batch of shrooms that had been laced with something or other. I wonder if these folks' salvia got laced....

Personally, if I wanted hardcore trippy, I'd go for shrooms. I used to love them. Way better than acid, and way less thrashing of your cerebrospinal fluids than X.

Coincidently, our local paper has a story about its use today.

I actually just did this drug for the first time last weekend. Wasn't bad at all just gave a dizzy feeling and abit of laughter. Only lasted like 5 minutes and seemed pretty tame to say being plastered.

A friend of mine got some of this for his birthday a while back, we had tried it once before, here you get it in certain concentrations so x20, 40 or 60, I had tried the 20 stuff once he got a gramme of the x60 and said oh man come down etc etc, we went into his loft good sound system and cushions and some cool posters there it's just a place to hang about, and between us smoked this gramme. I have taken quite a lot of acid and stuff, but think we maybe did this the wrong way, it was way more extreme than I had thought, almost at one point got to be a little bit too much, and I won't be doing it again in a hurry. Great laugh at the time though, but I get dubious about the stories of people shouting stuff I have seen one friend sit on another's knee whilst on it and a friend did try to hug me repeatedly another time but i think the people that start howling are hamming it up a bit.