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Politics The Donkey in the room...the Democrats today

Discussion in 'Tilted Philosophy, Politics, and Economics' started by ASU2003, Mar 1, 2015.

  1. Chris Noyb

    Chris Noyb Get in, buckle up, hang on, & be quiet.

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    Glass houses, with skeletons in the closets.

    The overlaps between the groups, and individuals, making up The Powers That Be. I'm not a conspiracy nut, but I am convinced there are people who reach to other people who reach out to other people to make very important things happen, or not happen, & we never know about it.
     
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  2. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

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    That's exactly what happens. It's not a conspiracy, it's reality. Hell, I see it at work often enough, with impact to me, and others.
    This occurs often in politics. The power behind the throne. Quiet money. And so on... It's pervasive.
    I've seen it at all levels of government. (from school systems to the Executive Office)
    Sometimes it just takes a "suggestion" or nudge from someone that has "oomph".
     
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  3. pig

    pig Slightly Tilted Donor

    It's built into the system.

    Some of it is simply impossible to avoid.

    I think I think would help if eliminating First Past The Post voting and maybe adopting something like a parliamentary system. Right now, in the US our minority political groups can only wield influence by bending one of the two parties, and those parties win power by Winner Takes All on a state-by-state basis. That means millions and millions are effectively disenfranchised in every election.

    My vote in SC will not mean shit. I will have 0 representation of my beliefs, or anything close to it, at a national level and very little at the state level.

    I can understand the logic there in the horse and buggy days. In a modern world where we have communication and travel the way we do, it's simply a mechanism used by the powerful to minimize how much they have to be pragmatically accountable to the population.
     
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  4. Chris Noyb

    Chris Noyb Get in, buckle up, hang on, & be quiet.

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    In Texas somebody in a top position with say HEB grocery stores, or Academy Sports & Outdoors, could quietly influence the Texas Education Board by suggesting they might withhold or increase donations to local school districts. With just one discreet yet very powerful phone call.

    A Crown Prince in Saudi Arabia can make a small nation in Africa bend to his will.

    Etc, etc.


    The power of my vote in Texas is as weak/meaningless as the power of your vote in SC. Locally, in Harris County & the city of Houston, my vote does count in a few races.

    I think the Electoral College system needs to go. Why should state voting giving one candidate a narrow 52% to 48% victory give that candidate every single Electoral College vote? That IS NOT how the people voted. And we could go into the unfair advantage it gives large states over small states (for example TX can make SC nearly meaningless).
     
  5. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

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    Yes, the winner takes all concept needs to go.
    Perhaps a representative to relate to the percentage of the vote they got. Like they just did for the EU. (that had many parties)
    And we need to be able to have snap votes...not have to wait. (It can be called or forced anytime)
    We have the technology to be able to have quick votes.
    Oh yeah, votes are held over the weekends. NOT just Tuesday.
     
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  6. Chris Noyb

    Chris Noyb Get in, buckle up, hang on, & be quiet.

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    The quickly called Vote of Confidence has its positives & negatives. The big negative I see is it's way too easy to bounce a person and/or a party before they have a chance to get things turned around. Can you imagine if the Repubs were able to call for a VOC on Biden after say one year?

    I'm about to go out for lunch,
    will return to this.
     
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  7. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

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    Some Democrats are doubling down despite growing calls for Biden to step aside

    This is a DEM problem, not the election
    They've got to decide, NOT to do the typical Dem action of throwing their own under the bus.
    GOP typically doubles-down and toes the line.

    It's a good change that there's actually some spine showing in many Dems. They've lost some quality people, like Al Franken, due to self-harm fickleness.

    Again, they've got to remember, the PEOPLE of the party already voted overwhelmingly for Biden in the primaries.
    Now some are wanting to supersede the will of their members???
    With the media fanning the flames...

    If I was a Dem, I'd say stand firm
    Stop the hand wringing.
     
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  8. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

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    Democratic lawyers get ready: ‘If Trump wins, there will be chaos’

    They are getting to fight...
    It will be a legal war of attrition.
    The skills of them vs the audacity of the raging administration.
    Chaos Theory in action.

    Hope they are up to the fight...hope even more that they can stand down...or help Biden push vs the GOP blockades.
    It's exhausting. :confused:
     
  9. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

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    Sen. Chuck Schumer eyes new bill hitting back at the Supreme Court’s immunity ruling on Trump

    It's a start, but they're not likely going to get it through in time...nor without the House's vote.
    Both are going to have to be dominated by the Dems first...and it will need to become an amendment, with most states saying aye.

    Saying it wasn't an "official act" is correct, it wasn't. But you've got the GOP resisting anything. And Chump will drive any decision up to SCOTUS yet again. To delay...always delay.
    So he can become prez and stomp it out.

    Go for it...it needs to be done and on the record. I just don't think it will make a difference.
    Y'all took WAY too long. This should have been done and over with the first year when it was all fresh.
    You let them run out the clock. :oops:
     
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  10. Chris Noyb

    Chris Noyb Get in, buckle up, hang on, & be quiet.

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    Yawn. Wake me up when the Dems have enough control to get some meaningful legislation passed, and the SC won't shoot it down.

    To repeat myself, most of these moves should've been started on Janurary 07, 2021.
     
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  11. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

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  12. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

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    nuff said. :rolleyes:
     
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  13. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

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    Harris has enough verbal commitments to secure Democratic nomination

    It's the smartest thing the Dems could do, after shooting themselves in the foot and undermining Biden...and their own party.
    Make quick, solidify, rally, get their shit together and head into the DNC to make the RNC look lame.

    From pathetic to majestic.
    Inspire themselves, inspire the public.

    And get the damn media off their ass...and smelling blood on the other side.
     
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  14. ASU2003

    ASU2003 Very Tilted

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    I think Kamala should have held some town halls, debates with the other Democratic candidates in the race, and flood the zone in media/podcast interviews. She could have gotten a lot of free media attention and really defined who she is for herself, rather than let the memes and right wing media do it.

    But Biden had a plan to hold out until after the RNC, which worked out well. I'm not sure why he picked Sunday afternoon instead of a weekday though.
     
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  15. Chris Noyb

    Chris Noyb Get in, buckle up, hang on, & be quiet.

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    I'm not sure Harris, as VP before the Biden withdrawal movement going strong, was in the position to do much what you suggested. Biden was Pres, the star, & Harris played the traditional role of understudy.*

    Also a lot of unusual, and meaningful, activity by Harris would've drawn attention, and raised concerns about Biden.


    *My thinking is Harris actually had a more active role than many previous VPs.
     
  16. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

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    'nuff said :cool:
     
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  17. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

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  19. ASU2003

    ASU2003 Very Tilted

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    I actually meant from earlier this week when Biden dropped out until the Democrat Convention in three more weeks. She is going up agains the guy who likes to dominate the media, she needs to define herself to the American people before the other side can. Well, more than they have so far.
     
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  20. Chris Noyb

    Chris Noyb Get in, buckle up, hang on, & be quiet.

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    I wondered about that. The explanations I've read & heard Harris needed to line up the delegates, unofficially but definitely, before pushing forward too much.

    I'm actually impressed with the relative smoothness of the transition.