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The 10 companies that OWN so much they probably own YOU.

Discussion in 'Tilted Philosophy, Politics, and Economics' started by pan6467, Aug 1, 2012.

  1. pan6467

    pan6467 a triangle in a circular world.

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    extremely scary.... especially when you realize that the same people own vast amounts of each company's stock, either through personal investment or through so called "mutual funds".

    There are some like 7-UP (owned by Dr. Pepper/Snapple) B
    UT distributed in most areas by Pepsi bottlers (as is Dr. Pepper in most areas) , Nestea (again owned by Nestle BUT distribution rights owned by Coca Cola), Kit Kat, Reese's, Rolo all owned by Nestle but distributed and licensed to Hershey. These raise questions to me and have for years.

    Why would one company license like Nestle license Reese's and Kit Kat to one of their biggest competitors?

    So there are monopolies without us even truly realizing it.

    Oh and RC/Diet Rite are owned by Dr. Pepper/7-Up/Snapple which is a spin off of Cadbury Schweppes and Kraft/Nabisco which is owned by Altria which was Philip Morris before they rebranded to distance themselves from tobacco and cigarettes. Kraft/Nabisco were owned by RJ Reynolds the other major cigarette company before Philip Morris/Altria took over.
    It makes the head just spin.......
     
  2. Hektore

    Hektore Slightly Tilted

    I can't answer that, but I can tell you this sort of thing is not as rare as you think. I used to work for a maker of larger diameter electrical cable (The smallest cable we made would be slightly smaller than what you see coming to your house from the power poles.) We also made a wire for one of our major competitors and even printed their name on it. It was a very low error tolerance product that is very difficult to make and they (apparently) just couldn't do it, at least not as well as we could. But, their customers needed it and they didn't want to give up those contracts to us so they bought it from us and sold it at a loss.

    I've seen that chart before and one of the things that's interesting, as well as somewhat of a relief, is that while there are a lot of food products on it but there is almost no real food on it. Basically if you eat mostly real fruits and vegetables from, lets say, the local farmers' market, then you aren't giving these companies much, if in any, money.
     
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  3. Borla

    Borla Moderator Staff Member

    Being in B2B sales with some of the larger corporate groups in the world, I thought this sort of thing was common knowledge.
     
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  4. SuburbanZombie

    SuburbanZombie Housebroken

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    ..or 8 companies to avoid if you want to lose some weight.
     
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  5. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

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    Yeah, this looks like a simple snapshot of disposable consumer/household goods. It merely looks at the biggest players in a particular business category, and it doesn't surprise me (I have a marketing background).

    None of these companies are even in the top 40 companies in the world by revenue.

    Nestle ekes into the top 50.

    Only a few of them make the top 200.

    In other words, these guys are, relatively speaking, small fry. Exxon Mobil has four times the revenue as Nestle, for example, and Samsung generates more revenue than Nestle, Unilever, and Johnson & Johnson combined.

    The rabbit hole is deep.
     
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  6. cynthetiq

    cynthetiq Administrator Staff Member Donor

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    Everyone has an interest in keeping the industry working. They all work together to make money together.

    This isn't just about the whole chain but cross chains as well. So that everyone makes money.
     
  7. Aceventura

    Aceventura Slightly Tilted

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    The US is a country where the small business is at an extreme disadvantage. The rules are staked against the little guy, and yet Obama attacks small business owners and targets the most successful with big tax increases.

    In many cases a small producer can not get self space. In some cases independent retailers, those without the backing of big franchisors, can not get prime retail space. No doubt it is tough, and entrepreneurs know what they sign up for - it would just be nice if we had a guy in the WH understood the issues.
     
  8. cynthetiq

    cynthetiq Administrator Staff Member Donor

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    you've never been overseas have you?
     
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  9. Aceventura

    Aceventura Slightly Tilted

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    I have never been to Europe, Asia, Australia or Africa if that is your question. I have been to all countries in North America, a few in South America, some Gulf Coast and Pacific Ocean Islands. I have a family member in the Peace Corp in Africa.
     
  10. cynthetiq

    cynthetiq Administrator Staff Member Donor

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    So then you do understand that the little guy has the same obstacles everywhere else and usually has a bigger disadvantage than in the United States.

    Not only do they have to pay high taxes, but usually have to pay off many different government employees to stay in compliance with the law, even though they weren't breaking any laws.
     
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  11. Aceventura

    Aceventura Slightly Tilted

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    I think it depends. I believe when governments move to free'er markets, generally, national wealth increases. I believe when governments restricts or limits competition, as is the current trend in the US (illustrated by the chart and a read of any financial publication of ever growing large corporate profits) wealth gets concentrated.
     
  12. cynthetiq

    cynthetiq Administrator Staff Member Donor

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    Wealth is concentrated is most countries outside of the United States. Look at the different European countries and the large companies that exist there. Same in SE Asia. Same in South America.
     
  13. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

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    The difference being that the U.S., from a business perspective, remains one of the freest in the world. In other words, American businesses (despite recent regulatory changes) have much less to complain about compared to most nations, even among developed nations only.
     
  14. ASU2003

    ASU2003 Very Tilted

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    When was there ever a President who understood small business or starting a business? Donald Trump should have doubled down on this topic instead of the stupid birth certificate.

    And I also put some blame onto the small business owners for a lack of effective advertising. I would support more small businesses if I knew they existed. And I've seen this show Hotel Impossible and see that 'free' on-line classes on how to improve your business and get government permits easily would do a lot.

    And Obama didn't attack small businesses. Right wing radio spun it that way.
     
  15. redux

    redux Very Tilted

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    Harry Truman, the haberdasher.

    Unless you count Bush and his failed oil companies, included one with the Bin Laden family.
     
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  16. omega

    omega Very Tilted

    Typos come from my phone, I'm not drunk.
     
  17. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

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    Actually.
    • Ally is quite large now from a loan standpoint.
    • Any of the big oil companies
    • ATT is big again.
    • Any of the "too big to fail" superbanks.
    • Big Pharma companies
    • and so on for any multi-conglomerate...
    The business clusterfuck is more twisted than the internet map.

    There are so many sub-businesses and partial ownerships, partnerships, trusts, etc...
    More like The Gordian Knot.
     
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  18. Aceventura

    Aceventura Slightly Tilted

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    I am not sure what the best way is to explain how best to explain the problem in the point of view presented above. I will say this - when the free is presented with a loss of freedom it comes with strong resistance, when the restricted is presented with increased freedom comes with celebration.
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    I am looking at trends.
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    Ronald Reagan.

    This is an industry by industry question. Given the context of the original post, consumer goods. If you go down your grocer's isles, the space is subject to cut throat competition. A P&G, Coke, etc. can easily put a small competitor out of business, or force some grocers into restricting space for competitors. this is not mostly the fault of government, what the problem is in the context of government is that you have the type of competition I describe above and you have excessive regulations that put an exceptional undue burden on small business. For example big business has an army of people available to address regulatory issues, and small business does not. So when a regulator get a burr up his butt, about some silly method for labeling, for example, coke can get it done and not miss a beat - the small can not - then they change it again and again and again. So a small producer has to fight in the market, has to fight on the regulatory front, has to fight tax policy, fight labor issues, etc., etc, before they can even think about improving advertising.

    What I write is not spin, it is real.

    Small business owners have very little confidence in Obama, a few months ago I saw a statistic where his approval in this category was about 30% (going by memory), what is he doing about it?
     
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  19. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

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    This may explain why the American business community comes across as a bunch of spoiled brats.
     
  20. Aceventura

    Aceventura Slightly Tilted

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    I think we are more like stallions.

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