NFL 2012 Discussion Thread

Borla · May 3, 2012

the_jazz said: ↑

Not quite. The 8th member of the 1994 team to die:

Junior Seau's death further saddens his 1994 Chargers teammates - Yahoo! Sports
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I must've misheard. It was the year after the SB. Regardless, a freaky connection.

Strange Famous · May 3, 2012

the_jazz said: ↑

Not quite. The 8th member of the 1994 team to die:
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Wow. You'd think there has to be something more than bad chance to a thing like that.

Heart problems could be linked to steroids I guess.

the_jazz · May 3, 2012

Strange Famous said: ↑

Wow. You'd think there has to be something more than bad chance to a thing like that.

Heart problems could be linked to steroids I guess.
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You going to link those to the plane crash, the car crash and the lightening strike in too? At a stretch, maybe the drug OD is linked to football (or maybe not).

Strange Famous · May 3, 2012

car crash could be related to heart problems certainly. obviously not the plane crash.

the_jazz · May 3, 2012

Strange Famous said: ↑

car crash could be related to heart problems certainly. obviously not the plane crash.
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Sure it could have. But there are much more obvious answers, like the fact that he was speeding. Or that he was drunk.

Bodkin van Horn · May 3, 2012

Strange Famous said: ↑

Wow. You'd think there has to be something more than bad chance to a thing like that.
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Maybe, but maybe not. If you think of all the years and all the football teams that played those years, there's bound to be one with seemingly abnormally high suicide rates.

Jetée · Jun 19, 2012

After 11 Seasons, LaDainian Tomlinson Retires

Story by MJD, of Yahoo's Shutdown Corner (abridged)

LaDainian Tomlinson retired on Monday as one of the all-time greats, and was so treasured by San Diego fans that even though Tomlinson and the Chargers have spent the last two years sniping at each other, immediately upon his retirement, both sides knew what had to happen. Tomlinson had to get back in Bolts before he officially hung up the cleats.

After 13,684 rushing yards, 145 rushing touchdowns, 18,456 all-purpose yards, and 11 seasons as one of the NFL's all-time best at his position, San Diego Chargers and New York Jets running back LaDainian Tomlinson called it a career in a dignified press conference Monday. The announcement was hosted by the Chargers, who wanted Tomlinson to retire as a Charger despite the fact that he had left the team in free agency and played his last two seasons for the Jets.

Early on, the Tomlinson era was a lot like any other period in Chargers history: Not great. Tomlinson was great, but the team wasn't, managing 17 wins in his first three years. This was coming off the Ryan Leaf years and the Chargers were not thought of as an NFL powerhouse. At that point, Tomlinson was a beautiful lady with a thick, lustrous beard, but was unfortunately traveling with the world's worst circus. But he never saw that as a reason to leave. He could have, but he didn't.

He could've played out his rookie contract and spent his prime years with some other team more likely to surround him with Super Bowl talent. But he valued his relationships with the people in San Diego, and he chose to stay. He wanted to play for a winner, but thought it would be more rewarding to turn San Diego into that winner. He committed himself to the lightning bolt. It is for that reason that Tomlinson had to be brought back into the Chargers organization. His greatness is undeniable, and his on-field exploits are legendary, but it's his commitment to the Chargers organization that made his eventual return a necessity. The other things made him great. The commitment is what made him beloved.

Clearly, Tomlinson is one of the all-time great running backs in NFL history, and he did it in an era where it was getting harder and harder to even be a franchise running back. With the way teams split carries among running backs, the rate at which running backs are injured now, and the way teams so eagerly discard running backs when they near the age of 30, it'll be an uphill battle for anyone to match Tomlinson. (Think about this: Tomlinson led the Chargers in rushing in all nine of his years there, from 2001 to 2009, and played in all 16 games a remarkable eight years in a row. For comparison's sake, of last year's top-10 running backs, no one has a streak of having played in all 16 games in a season more than two years in a row. It's hard to imagine anyone even getting the opportunity to do that now.)

He not only accomplished that, but also made himself a franchise icon. It's a positive thing for him, for San Diego football fans, and for football that he was able to retire with the same franchise that he spent nine years elevating.
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sbsbsb · Jun 25, 2012

I am a football fan, I always find it funny that a lower quality team
will get a super star player and, well never get them any help?
As with Tomlinson, another was Walter Payton.
I guess these teams rely on these players to help build the team but
really can just one player do that in today's game ????

Pixel · Jun 25, 2012

Yeah, basketball is really the only major american sport where one player can elevate the whole team. Look what LeBron did in Cleveland. He was surrounded by a bunch of tomato cans and he took them to the finals.

That is why I am glad I have always been a Green Bay fan. They build from the draft and with only a couple of exceptions (Woodson and White), they don't sign big name free agents.

sbsbsb · Jun 25, 2012

Pixel said: ↑

Yeah, basketball is really the only major american sport where one player can elevate the whole team. Look what LeBron did in Cleveland. He was surrounded by a bunch of tomato cans and he took them to the finals.

That is why I am glad I have always been a Green Bay fan. They build from the draft and with only a couple of exceptions (Woodson and White), they don't sign big name free agents.
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Ha,ha, My Bucs will make playoffs this year and the Buccaneer cheerleaders
are hotter, he,he.

Jetée · Jun 25, 2012

So long as we are talking the Bay areas, here is news of one-half of the third " -Bay area" NFL team...

According to CSN Bay Area's Matt Maiocco, Michael Crabtree and Randy Moss are atop the 49ers depth chart at wide receiver entering training camp.

Maiocco is one of the most reliable beat writers in the country. "Without fail, every teammate and coach had glowing praise" for Moss, writes Maiocco, adding that the offseason "could not have gone any better" for the 14-year veteran. Moss and Crabtree enjoyed the best offseason programs at the position, leaving Mario Manningham as the No. 3 receiver. Manningham didn't stand out early in the offseason, but was "greatly involved" in last week's minicamp. Kyle Williams, Ted Ginn, and A.J. Jenkins round out the depth chart.
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[rotoworld.]

Borla · Jun 25, 2012

sbsbsb said: ↑

I am a football fan, I always find it funny that a lower quality team
will get a super star player and, well never get them any help?
As with Tomlinson, another was Walter Payton.
I guess these teams rely on these players to help build the team but
really can just one player do that in today's game ????
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Pixel said: ↑

Yeah, basketball is really the only major american sport where one player can elevate the whole team. Look what LeBron did in Cleveland. He was surrounded by a bunch of tomato cans and he took them to the finals.

That is why I am glad I have always been a Green Bay fan. They build from the draft and with only a couple of exceptions (Woodson and White), they don't sign big name free agents.
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The recent exception to this is/was Peyton Manning when he was at his peak. Look at how the Colts did for basically the last decade vs. what happened when he left. The last couple of years it was basically him putting the team on his back.

I also don't think that lower quality teams fail to TRY to get other players to surround their star. It's just not always that simple when they have to negotiate the salary cap, injuries, etc. And don't forget that that star player is often taking up a huge cap number too.

Pixel · Jun 26, 2012

Borla said: ↑

The recent exception to this is/was Peyton Manning when he was at his peak. Look at how the Colts did for basically the last decade vs. what happened when he left. The last couple of years it was basically him putting the team on his back.
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I would say if the Colts had a healthy Manning last year, they might have picked up 5 wins. Their defense was awful and there is nothing Manning could have done about that.

Borla · Jun 26, 2012

Pixel said: ↑

I would say if the Colts had a healthy Manning last year, they might have picked up 5 wins. Their defense was awful and there is nothing Manning could have done about that.
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The offense orchestrating long scoring drives = best defense available

A great offense lets the defense rest, have a larger variation of strategy to employ, gives the coaches more time to analyze and adapt, and gives a larger margin for error. I don't think they would've won the SB with him healthy, but I think they would've been in the playoff hunt. I don't think there was a single other player who would've impacted his teams record more. Brees and Brady would be close.

sbsbsb · Jun 26, 2012

Ha, you guys know far more then I about football.but yes Brady, ummmm' not too sure
about Brees. Watch those Bucs guys lol, if we can get the quarterback thing fixed.

Jetée · Aug 5, 2012

The Pro Football Hall of Fame has grown by six.
by Marc Sessler - Aug. 4 & 5, 2012

The Class of 2012

Willie Roaf, Jack Butler, Chris Doleman, Cortez Kennedy, Dermontti Dawson and Curtis Martin -- made it official before an intimate crowd at Fawcett Stadium.

Saturday evening's speeches were crisper than in years past, at least out of the chute. Along the way, we learned something about each of these NFL legends.

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ralphie250 · Aug 5, 2012

The saints look pretty good as of now. But we'll see.

fflowley · Aug 6, 2012

ralphie250 said: ↑

The saints look pretty good as of now. But we'll see.
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I'm only watching them from afar but I thought they were pretty effed by the league penalties this year, no?

ralphie250 · Aug 6, 2012

fflowley said: ↑

I'm only watching them from afar but I thought they were pretty effed by the league penalties this year, no?
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Yea they were but now i see where vilma can have his reduced to 8 games.

ralphie250 · Aug 6, 2012

I think it was vilma...

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