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My mom passed and my ex wife should have joined her...

Discussion in 'Tilted Life and Sexuality' started by Drider_it, Feb 12, 2012.

  1. Drider_it

    Drider_it New Member

    Location:
    Kalamazoo, MI
    This past weekend, I had the chance to visit with my 5 children whom I haven't seen in almost 5 months. I took a chance.

    Currently I had a bench warrant for a just cause with friend of the court over child support. Sunday my sister calls my ex and my fiance. They both call my ex expressing the need to get ahold of me, that my mom wasn't doing well.

    Monday I get fed up and by Tuesday I walked outta her house calling her my usual "F* B*" walking to town.. (sorry forgot to mention im 3 hours by car from my home by now where she and the kids are) a sheriff dept. pulls over and long story short..

    My ex calls a bogus domestic knowing full well they would run our names and I'd get popped for the warrant. I told the cop ahead of time I had one and I would willingly do what ever he wanted to comply with the warrant. The county wanted me picked up so off I go.

    My mom by then is now dying and my fiance is frantly calling and texting my ex wanting to talk to me.. my ex's reply was "i dont know where he is.. im not his keeper" call and text logs show she was watching me hauled off at the time of those texts and calls..

    then i get a call the next day in jail from .. yep my ex .. expressing how sorrowful she was and that my mom died.

    FoC dropped the charges on a PR.. which yep.. I cant leave the state or i face charges. I had to listen to my moms funeral over a speaker phone at home by then.

    I'm still furious over what my ex did.. and I am certain a 1968 Russian satellite will come crashing outta orbit mostly whole and take the woman out. Karma thy time cometh.

    And I never thought someone would be that cruel in my life. I was wrong.
     
  2. pan6467

    pan6467 a triangle in a circular world.

    Sounds like something my ex wife or the mother of my child would do. Some women are just nuts. Yet, the men get the blame in most cases.

    I have been out of work (legitimately due to near death health reasons) and the mother of my son, who refuses to let me see him, has had child support on my ass a couple of times, most recently when my grandmother died because she thought I inherited some big money. I've had to ban her and all her family (including my son) from my Facebook because that is about the only way she would have known ANYTHING about my grand mother's death (I even left my son's name out of the obituary for that reason).

    Now, I see that FB won't ban IP addresses or can't stop people from getting a new e mail and making up a name. So I no longer accept new friends and am starting to clean out my account. due to this bitch.

    Sorry for my rant, just trying to say in some way I can relate and I am very sorry about your mom.
     
  3. cynthetiq

    cynthetiq Administrator Staff Member Donor

    Location:
    New York City
    Sorry to hear that. I'm sorry for your loss. What she did that's some fucked up shit.
     
  4. Alistair Eurotrash

    Location:
    Reading, UK
    I'm sorry that your mother died, but I'm not sure I understand your story.

    Have I got this right? You have a bench warrant against you for not paying the child support you are meant to pay. After 5 months of not seeing your kids, you traveled 3 hours to see them and you hang around for a few days (with your ex? I'm not sure), imposing yourself on her.

    You were told on Sunday that your mother was very unwell. You stayed where you were. Was that message passed on? I'm assuming you have no phone of your own.

    On Monday, you are "fed up", but still stay there.

    On Tuesday you had a major blowup and left the house calling your ex a bunch of names (sounds like a fairly significant disruption in your ex's house). Due to the blowup, you're ex calls the police and they pick you up for the bench warrant. While this is going on and your ex is in a high adrenaline state, your fiance calls and says she wants to get in touch and your ex blows her off.

    Somehow it's all her fault?

    As I say, I don't get it. Parts of this story seem to be missing.
     
  5. They waited five months for their dad to visit! Speaking as a mum who watched her kid looking hopefully out of the window for years - only to turn away disappointed - that sucks and you need to sort it. Fuck you and your ex and your games - children deserve to know where they come from, to know the story of their line - both sides. They also need food and shelter and clothes - which child support is supposed to go towards. I rarely saw any of mine. It would have made a great difference to me, to the jobs I could afford to do because there was a pittance being paid weekly to help with childs expences. Like many men, his excuse was that I might spend it on myself, and that he wanted to be wealthy himself sooner so was keeping hold of it.
    Pity you did not go on the sunday to say last goodbyes - but, honestly, the important things you say to your mum and she to you - they are the things you talked about over the years. What she wanted to teach you in life - sure she started off lessons when you were young enough to not realise you were being taught.
    Maybe the thing to take from this is not to let this happen to your kids when they are your age and you hers. Do not put off telling them you are proud of them, that you care about them. You and your ex. Your love for your children should be stronger than your hatred of each other. You need to sort it - and you need to pay your way, they are your children too, your joint responsibility. Have clear lines drawn up.
     
  6. Freetofly

    Freetofly Diving deep into the abyss

    Yeah, I agree. This is not making sense. Sad situation for sure.
     
  7. Drider_it

    Drider_it New Member

    Location:
    Kalamazoo, MI
    sorry was upset over my moms death still.. it went like this.. Due to her running to Michigan with our children and wanting a divorce.. it was given to her both our rides.. a Mazda MPV van that sits 7 and the Aztech which sits 5. She threw a fit to get them. That left me coming up into Michigan with no ride. In the rural area where I was staying. (I have no family in Michigan, coming from Louisiana) it was extremely hard to get a job.

    For the record, I paid a years child support on the day we filed custody. It pissed off the Friend of the Court in the county we filed. They have never had a guy do this apparently. Months later at the divorce hearing, she got the rides and primary custody with me getting them every other weekend.

    I spent the better part of a year, traveling by bus to many of my jobs. I do valve tech at Nuke plants and petroleum plants. Pay is good, yet its dangerous. Almost all the money went to paying off our debts before the divorce.

    What I didn't know is they do a back child support from the time she left Louisiana. That is what I am behind in, not current. She refuses to work, she has had 12yrs to finish college for her LPN and still hasn't. She gets state cash assist. So, all the money I give her goes to pay into the state cash and she only gets 50 a month.

    Not having a ride, I can't get my children every other weekend. I'm lucky to even see them. I take any chance I can to see them.

    She has had over a year to settle and enjoy the fruits of her labors with her new love interest. She isn't happy with him. I was to stay at a mutual friends house. I got there settled down and much to the horror of my EX's boyfriend and Mine. The pipes in the house were broken from them not wintering their trailer before leaving for a few months outta state.. So, my friends get back find the house unlivable and here I am stuck.

    My plans where for 4 days up north. 3hrs by ride from my home. Not much I could do, for my ride back wasn't ready. All went well, I stayed at her trailer with my children. I fixed up a lot of the stuff that needed fixin there.

    Monday she gets a call from my fiance and my sister saying my mom isn't doing well. My ex blows it off on the count my sister over reacts alot. Yet, she never told me of this.

    Come Tuesday.. She, my oldest daughter and I get in her van to go to a store that lends dresses to girls for dances. Her brakes are out. Gone. We end up coasting up a hill. I ask to use her phone, she refuses. I get out. ( sorry its dangerous in Michigan this time a year and even more so with out any brakes.) I tell our daughter to get out .. my ex speeds off down a hill. Pissed at me.

    I walk to her house and get my stuff and say I am leaving can I plz use the phone to find the nearest walmart so i can call and have my fiance send my bus money. She again refuses.

    I live in Kalamazoo, MI she currently lives in Central Lake, MI that's how far away I live. I'm looking at walking to the nearest town 20something miles away that has a bus I can take. I figure I can hitch a ride or something to get there. She gets pissed I am leaving. Seems she wants me to stay for some reason I can't fathom.

    I get called a dead beat dad in front of my children.

    NOTE: for clarification... the state of Michigan doesn't recognize a 1099 job as a constant perm job. My valve tech jobs are via contract. Due to this and the fact I don't know when they will come, I am required to report in person to the county we had our custody case in. I was stuck last November with no ride so I called asking for a phone interview. They refused. The report means.. I walk into the place. sit for 30 min. Talk to a lady and she says try again next month (that part takes 5 min). Why they cant take a damn phone interview I don't know.

    My average pay for valve tech is thus.. 35.70 an hour 400-840 a week per Diem. 15hr days 8 is straight 7 is time and a half all week Saturdays is all time an a half and Sundays is double time.

    average time at work a month or so and I clear 35k easy. The jobs are insurance jobs, and those pay the best. So, I'm screwed in the fact they wont accept I have a real job.

    So, at the time I'm up there I have a bench warrant on me. Not cuz I can't pay child support.. Its because the damn state requires me to be there no matter what when I don't have a ride.

    My ex turns mean after saying that and tells me I shouldn't be with anyone. That the love of these children should be enough. That I should stay here and help take care of them.

    I watched my world turn to ash as my ex (wife at the time) got on Facebook find an old HS sweetheart. Spend 36k of my money on them, moved to Michigan to be with him. And left me to basically to die in Louisiana. So when I tell her F* you B*.... I'm being as polite as I can.

    The Sheriff even told me it was a bogus Domestic and he didn't even run it. The only problem and he even took my side on it was I was honest and told him I had a warrant on me. He ran my name sure enough it came up. and the county issuing it said they would pick me up.

    So, now I'm in cuffs in the back of a cruiser. Headed to Jail.. My fiance calls asking for me yet again cuz my mom is doing way bad now. And my ex tells her through calls and texts she has no clue where I am at. The phone logs show yep, I was being stripped searched at the time in question. My ex did know where I was.

    After a night in jail, my ex calls and informs me my mom died that morning. None of my family could get a hold of me, I only got one phone call and I called my fiance to let her know where I was.

    So, my ex only called the bogus Domestic knowing they would run my name and put me in jail. We argue at times and get along in other times. She didn't like it at all that I was with someone now. I haven't for over a year, and I found someone in my life that is healthy for me. So, if I'm not around my children, there is a reason. I am not required by anyone even God to hang around my ex. Sure I want to be with my children.. but at the expense of my emotions, my sanity and my heart? NO. if none can understand that part, then you haven't been through emotional abuse.

    I gave her everything I could and it still wasn't good enough. I wasn't good enough.

    I try to be there for my children as much as I can. I had to transplant to a state with no jobs, no family hardly any friends what so ever. And the state takes her side. So, if I come off a bit grrrrr I apologize for that. I cut the state a check for 8k when I paid a years child support which is good up until May of this year.

    The rest of my assets went to her hoping she would get a house for our children, which she spent on what ever she does.

    All I know is cuz I tried to be a dad to my children, I got spanked for it. My mom died with out me even being able to say good bye. And she sits on her throne content that my life is hell and troubled.

    All I want in this world is to see my children, have a life. And be happy.

    So, lets see.. I paid my child support She gets both Food Stamps and Cash assistance. Her family put her up in a trailer. She has the rides. She has the children. I'm behind only in the 3 months prior to her leaving Louisiana and filing. At no job its 331 a month for our 5 children when neither of us have a job. With me making 35.70 an hour that comes to almost 1500 a month. I am only 2k behind. They aren't worried about me paying the back right now. My ex only gets to see 50 a month from me due to her being on Cash Assistance.

    Currently in my home... I have 15 cans of soup.. 1 loaf of bread.. 3 cans of tuna and coffee. My ex has the house stocked with food ( In that I am greatful she has the food stamps to feed our children.)

    The money that I paid for child support? Well it goes to pay the Cash Assist she gets a month from the state for not working. And if you want I can post pics I took of her trailer. Just seeing that alone you would understand why I was livid with her. Every room is cluttered animal crap and urine on the floors from a dog. And no place to sleep for 5 children 3 boys two girls. Yet the state will do nothing about it.

    And to see her with over 30 bucks in scratch off tickets? Yeah, I'm not dogging anyone for saying... "He says I blow it" to me 30 bucks in scratch offs is blowing your money.. So, if i say she blows it she does.

    I've tried to work with her and be the better person. All it gets me is hurt, either emotionally or physically. And even though I went to jail. I DID do it to see my children.

    Currently I'm looking into a local job, even if its pumping gas. I don't want to do it, but if it gets the state off my backside, I will. I don't know what else to do.
     
  8. fflowley

    fflowley Don't just do something, stand there!

    It's unfortunate that children have to suffer through this.
    The two supposed grown-ups in this story (that would be you and the ex) need to stop acting like 2 children and focus on doing what's right.
    Stop the tit for tat immature behavior.
     
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  9. Borla

    Borla Moderator Staff Member

    I'm sorry for your loss, and I feel sorry for the horrible situation you described, especially for your five children.

    Actually, the answer should be YES. You should be placing the heart, emotions, and sanity of your five children first. In all fairness, so should your ex, and it doesn't sound like she is either. The saddest part of the entire story, as fflowley touched on, is that their five little lives are being formed in this mess, and they are going to be the worse for it in their own future relationships and endeavors.

    For their sake, if nothing else, do all that you can to be peacable with your ex. That doesn't mean let her take advantage of you, that you have to try to get back with her, or that you have to allow her to abuse you. But it does mean not calling her vulgar names in front of your children or projecting all blame for your current tough situation on her.

    I was also a little confused about the financial/job situation. It sounds like it's feast or famine, that you go from making $35k/month to nothing, and back again? Maybe I'm not getting everything straight, but it seems to me that some sort of cheap vehicle of your own would be affordable if it was a priority to you with that sort of cash infusion happening periodically. Perhaps there is a money management issue too, or something else taking a chunk of money (not accusing you, but many times I see this type of situation there are alcohol, gambling, or drugs involved when the money is good) that could be set aside in place of getting your life more back on track?

    Obviously we can't solve your problems. Hopefully you found at least part of what you are looking for in having a place to vent. I wish you the best in the future in getting things straight, especially for your five children's sake.
     
  10. Random McRandom

    Random McRandom Starry Eyed

    Yeahhhhhh

    Sorry dude. You fail. To say that you'd put your own emotions, heart and "sanity" above those of your children only serves to ignore the entire point of being a good parent to begin with. Sure, your ex may be a bitch, sure she did a shitty thing, and karma may well serve her a cold dish, but karma will also serve one to you as well if you can't man up and put the kids ahead of your petty squabbles. I can barely go a night without seein my kids, I can't imagine 5 months. Sack up -- seriously.

    It's always great to see adults acting more like children than actual children :rolleyes:
     
  11. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

    Location:
    Toronto
    I think some of you are seriously undermining important factors here. The guy says he's abused by his ex. Tell me something: When is it a good thing to have children witness abuse? My opinion is never. Sometimes divorces are warranted to avoid subjecting children to witnessing abuse. It's damaging, and potentially more damaging than the divorce itself. It's not always best to stay together.

    Given that Drider and his ex are already apart, the children are likely already in the know regarding the relationship between their parents. While it would be ideal for him to be there for his children, if his ex is only going to fire up the abuse again, then he needs to think about both himself and his children. The children don't need to see that shit happening between their parents.

    Drider, you said you've tried your best to be civil and it doesn't work. It's mostly on her, and you seem to know that she isn't doing what's best for the children. This seems to include either keeping you away from them or abusing you when you are near. This hurts the children either way, but perhaps being strategic with the time you spend with them is best.

    I, for the record, cannot take the stance that being with your children is the be-all and end-all. It's not. You talk about a concern for emotions, heart, and sanity. Realize it's not just yours at risk when you're around your ex. Your children witness what their mother does to their father, and they too experience the situation at the expense of their emotions, heart, and sanity. I've lived amongst abuse both as a child and an adult. It's never a situation with easy solutions.

    And another way to think of it is if the situation were different. What if Drider were a mother of five living with an abusive husband? Would we all be saying, "Hey, girl, kids need a father, cunt up and think about the kids!"? Or would it be, "Hey, girl, you've got to cunt up and get you and the kids away from him!"?

    None of these situations have easy solutions. When abuse is present, there is no way to handle it without getting hurt. People are going getting hurt. It's more about doing what you can to minimize the pain.
     
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  12. Borla

    Borla Moderator Staff Member

    If the situation were as you described, I'd be saying the mother should use the courts, prove the abuse, and get the kids taken from him. In fairness, I guess I could've/should've suggested he do the same, and try to take custody of his children himself. I'm not sure if that's something he's ready, willing, or able to take on though.

    I agree that there are times the children are worse off for living with both parents. I also think that sometimes the term "abuse" is overused, or used to describe a broad range of things that may or may not rationalize the drastic feelings and actions described in this thread. I also question, based on the fact he admits to yelling "F* you B*!" at her (apparently in front of the kids, unless they were gone from the trailer at the time), that the abuse is one sided. It's kind of like Glory's Sun said, we appear to have both adults acting like children, at the expense of the children.

    My guess (and it's just a guess) is that if we had her telling just her side of the story it would sound completely different in the opposite direction. In all likelihood there is his story, her story, and the truth is somewhere in the middle.

    Pretty much this, unfortunately.
     
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  13. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

    Location:
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    Perhaps, but it's also common for emotional abuse to be underestimated or shrugged off as negligent when in fact it's a very damaging, difficult, manipulative, and controlling form of abuse. It's easily underestimated when it's a female abuser with an adult male victim. Regardless, it's a kind of abuse that can be severe, and it has no visible injuries, yet they're injuries that can remain problematic even years after the abuse has stopped. This sounds like it's ongoing, severe, and unavoidable.

    Yes, there is the problem of only hearing one side of the story, or simply not having any actual evidence. But he did admit to the outburst. While it's not something I will condone under any circumstances, I can understand how such an outburst can occur given the difficulty of the situation and the relationship.

    Even with one side of the story, if we assume Drider isn't lying, we know at the very least his ex is demonstrating characteristic actions that an emotional abuser would carry out.
     
  14. cynthetiq

    cynthetiq Administrator Staff Member Donor

    Location:
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    agreed, a good friend of mine was emotionally abused by his batshiat crazy wife for years, and she got initial custody of the children. It was until she moved it into physical abuse that he finally got custody.
     
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  15. Borla

    Borla Moderator Staff Member

    In which case the question would be 'why let your five kids be raised in that environment while you ensure that you escape'?
     
  16. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

    Location:
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    This is where it gets difficult. Drider's posts are long and difficult to grasp/absorb, and he's admittedly not in a clear state of mind given the passing of his mother (my condolences, Drider) and the ongoing bullshit he's had to endure—it sounds like a tragedy of an episodic nature.

    Then there are the obvious problems: 1) the history of legal shit already stacked against him, 2) the manipulation of his ex to implicate him to various parties, 3) he's the father; she's the mother (regarding court precedent), etc.

    I'm not saying it's impossible for him to take action to get the kids, but I will say it looks pretty damn challenging, given that he even has the problem of not being able to prove he has a "real" job.

    The only thing he has as leverage is how the mother treats the children and the living environment she creates.

    I really don't know how to evaluate all this overall. It sounds like one shitty situation. Drider, you have my profound sympathies. I wish you the best in weathering this.
     
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  17. Borla

    Borla Moderator Staff Member

    Yeah, I have a feeling there is an incredible amount of background info across the entire spectrum that one would have to understand to get a full and accurate grasp of the entire situation.

    It is terribly cliche @Drider, but focus on where you can effect change and grow from there. If that means getting a job and vehicle first, do that. If it means cutting spending on wasteful things, do that. If it means getting a place where your kids can come stay for visits, do that. If some of your actions are stabbing you in the foot, knock them off. Get help identifying them if you need it. Wish you the best.
     
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  18. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

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    I am of the strong belief that it's best to take care of yourself first so that you are in the best position you can be in to take care of others. Self-love is not selfishness or narcissism. I believe Drider truly loves his children. The best thing he can do for them is take care of number one. Because you know what? When he gets more stability and more resources, I don't doubt for a second he's going to use this as leverage to help his children—not a second. Basically: Taking care of yourself is taking care of others.

    With all the shit he's gone through? If he didn't love his children, he would have washed his hands of everything long ago.
     
  19. Borla

    Borla Moderator Staff Member

    In the abstract, I agree. Obviously you fail if you starve yourself to death so your kids can eat, then no one is there to feed them. The same can be true of mental and emotional health. IMO, it's about balance. None of us is ever going to have a perfect life. Most of us are going to constantly have some struggle or another going on. The tough part is deciding where your minimum for being healthy mentally, emotionally, and physically intersects with your other life obligations, be it kids, spouse, job, etc.

    I've seen some people literally almost kill themselves because they wanted to give (sometimes to kids, charities, careers, even animals). I've seen other people shirk all responsibility to everything, harming others around them severely in the process, because they were on some futile mission to have a perfect life, believing they couldn't cope with the rest of reality until they found it.

    You have a point there, for sure.
     
  20. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

    Location:
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    Well, life shouldn't be lived in such extremes. By taking care of yourself, I meant that as a way to concurrently funnel good things to those around you, rather than avoid helping anyone until you achieve some arbitrary status. For example, I don't think Drider should stop helping his children whenever he can. I simply wish him the best in concentrating on his own situation in order to do it better.
     
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