Politics The 2020 US Presidential Election

I'm hearing, way too often, "heal" and "healing." Mostly from the people who stand to gain disproportionately from a restrained reaction to the Capitol Invasion, and Republicans who know further damage can be done to the GOP.

FTS!

Do NOT allow/repeat the "a time to heal" that occurred after Watergate, and Nixon and Ford.

 

Heeling is for dogs.

Healing can happen after we scoop out the infection of this abscess that is Trump's GOP..

 

Lawmakers who voted against Biden are denounced back home

Love this..

 

While on one hand, I could see myself getting caught up in a mob protest like this and invading the Capitol just as a tourist, even if there were others in group that were out for blood. And honestly, I wish there were millions of passionate people that would show up for universal healthcare or fixing the environment/water in this country.

But on the other hand, I think that this mob would have killed as many Representatives as necessary if it meant that Trump would win. And if a few more of those people were armed and willing to shoot as many people as needed, it could have been so much worse.

 

I've been giving some thought to the idea that many people got caught up in the moment and originally had no intention of violently invading the capitol building.

But part of me says people should be held responsible for their actions. I saw very few really young people in the crowds in the Capitol Building, most appeared to be at least 21.

 

The finger pointing among the agencies that should've been prepared for the Capitol Building Invasion, and should've responded quicker once it started, is getting intense.

One huge overall battle is who asked for what when once things went wrong. There are numerous conflcting timelines.

The above needs to be sorted out so that the liars and delayers can be identified and punished.

The bigger issue is figuring out who dropped the ball before the CBI. Some claim Steven Sund turned down offers for assistance, assuring everyone the USCP had everything under control. Sund says his requests for assistance were declined because the two Sargent At Arms didn't want "bad optics."

I hope there are clear records of what took place before and during this fiasco.

 

I was just reading an account of the event just like that this morning, but the guy didn't storm the castle he stayed back and watched.

I also feel like, do crimes, do times @rogue49.
This has been way beyond anything one could overlook as just caught up in the fervour.

 

70TB of Parler users’ data leaked by security researchers | CyberNews

Could be interesting here.

Comments at the bottom are good too...
"…I think trump wrote an executive order on this…mandatory 10 years in jail for destroying federal property…ah back in the summer…whats good for the goose is good for the gander…"

Woah hey nice point there !!

 

It's nice to know the Parler participants have their info preserved for future legal use. The concern is distinguishing between the curious, those simply wanting some general interaction with other conservatives, and those who encouraged violence.

 

While the Capitol is more protected, I'm still not sure if they are ready for a true Trump mob that is willing to kill for their President and thinks that Biden developed Covid-19 to win the election...

It is good that they are taking the threats seriously, and if Trump isn't in the White House on Jan 20th, that might help prevent it from being surrounded by people who don't want to let the Democrats take over. But I don't think this is over yet.

 

Covert operations. Sneak attacks. Use the trusting and unsuspecting supporters for diversionary gatherings.


I can, sort of, understand The 2016 Perfect Storm of Discontent.
I can not understand the continued support for Conman Trump.

 

ok I got a dumbass question...

he got impeached yesterday. that's twice in one term.... Do they have time to take it to court to get him out? or will it be after? will it still happen since he is not president anymore? what/are their any repercussions from being impeached again?

 

maybe i should have put this in the other thread, if so sorry

 

The thing is, please forgive my bluntness, explanations of the impeachment process are all over the internet, especially now. And much of the process has been discussed and explained in several threads (which can be confusing).

The "court" is the US Senate. That is where the trial will be held. McConnell, who for now leads the Senate, has made it clear the Senate will not start hearing the case until 20 Jan 21.

Yes, the impeachment trial can take place after Trump is out of office. If found guilty, he obviously can't be removed from an office he no longer holds, but he can be barred from holding any office in the future. This is very important because it woul mean no presidential run in 2024, and his current and potential political power would be greatly reduced.

He would also lose a hefty (in my world) pension, and Secret Service protection.

The pension might not mean much to Trump, but it could depending on what happens with his businesses and loan payments coming due, and his almost certain legal expenses.

Losing the Secret Service protection could be huge. Trump likes to travel, and having SS agents travel with him is very expensive to taxpayers. He could be in real danger. Renouncing the violent actions of his followers has enraged some of those followers, and most certainly there are radical people on the left who might go after Trump. His family members would also be left vulnerable.