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A loving God that instills fear of punishment as His "love"?

Discussion in 'Tilted Philosophy, Politics, and Economics' started by pan6467, Nov 27, 2011.

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  1. Hektore

    Hektore Slightly Tilted

    In light of not picking and choosing, I'm still waiting to hear how cutting off someone's hands is not a punishment.
     
    Hektore, Nov 28, 2011
    #61
  2. EDDIE

    Eddie Getting Tilted

    I would take the time to pick this post apart, but I'm not going to waste my time with someone who has absolutely no idea what the bible says.
     
    Eddie, Nov 28, 2011
    #62
  3. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

    Location:
    Toronto
    Well, according to the theology, it's difficult to accept Jesus as "the Way," "the Truth," or "the Life," as he has yet to fully demonstrate that he is, indeed, the Messiah.

    We'll need to await his second coming. Until then, what's a Christian to do but have faith, right?
     
    Baraka_Guru, Nov 28, 2011
    #63
  4. ALISTAIR

    Alistair Eurotrash

    Location:
    Reading, UK
    I suspect few of us do, unless we have read it in the aramaic version. It would also be interesting to see what the discarded texts say (I've only read the Gospel of The Essene from those) as opposed to what Paul and the Romans constructed.
     
    Alistair, Nov 28, 2011
    #64
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  5. Joniemack

    Joniemack Beta brainwaves in session

    Location:
    Reading, UK
    Unless you yourself have translated the texts from the original Aramaic or at least the Greek translations, there is no way for you to know what the bible says either.

    Bleh, Alistair beat me to it.
    --- merged: Nov 29, 2011 1:15 AM ---
    In fact, I don't believe Jesus ever claimed to be the Messiah.
     
    Joniemack, Nov 28, 2011
    #65
  6. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

    Location:
    Toronto
    I may have heard that from somewhere. It sounds familiar. Regardless, there are a number of things Jesus didn't do (yet?) to fulfill the Messianic prophecy. The entire Christian faith hinges on the Second Coming. And as far as I know, the Jewish faith is still awaiting the Messiah. Whether it's Jesus matters not. What matters is that it wasn't Jesus. (Again, yet?)
     
    Baraka_Guru, Nov 28, 2011
    #66
  7. roachboy

    roachboy Very Tilted

    well, a lot of the commentary is centered on busily connecting the older prophecies through various actions imputed to jesus and then forward to the end time via the apocalypse/revelations. its obviously a pretty prominent cottage industry in evangelical land. there are theories that the republican/right uses (wittingly or not) this stuff to erase the sense that the future has any meaning insofar as their policy logics are concerned. take what you can get before the end times arrive. but i digress.
     
    roachboy, Nov 28, 2011
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  8. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

    Location:
    Toronto
    A lot of the worst of it is based on this idea that Christ is coming back and is totally going to do the things he's going to do. It is, in a way, like these Christians have cashed a cheque that hasn't cleared yet and are already spending more than they really should.
     
    Baraka_Guru, Nov 28, 2011
    #68
  9. roachboy

    roachboy Very Tilted

    you only have to go there if you take the bible literally. at least luther was consistent: if the bible is the word of god, there's no way humans can understand it without the agency of the divine (grace). the idea that this stuff is to be taken as literally true is almost the opposite--anyone can understand it, so long as you put side translation and editing and omissions and context and operate in a speech community that basically enforces norms concerning what literally means.
     
    roachboy, Nov 28, 2011
    #69
  10. EDDIE

    Eddie Getting Tilted

    Spent a lot of time with Jesus, have you?
     
    Eddie, Nov 28, 2011
    #70
  11. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

    Location:
    Toronto
    Some guy named John did. Have you read this passage?

    "The woman saith unto him, I know that Messias cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things.

    Jesus saith unto her, I that speak unto thee am he."

    —John 4:25-26
     
    Baraka_Guru, Nov 28, 2011
    #71
  12. EDDIE

    Eddie Getting Tilted

    My response was to jonie. Yeah, of course I know that passage. There are dozens of verses in the bible in which Jesus claims to be the Son of God and the messiah and is referred to as the Son of God and the messiah.
     
    Eddie, Nov 28, 2011
    #72
  13. Derwood

    Derwood Slightly Tilted

    Location:
    Columbus, OH
    There are lots of modern day people who claim to be the Messiah/second coming of Christ. They are labeled as crazy and thrown into mental hospitals. Why do you believe the dude who claimed it 2000 years ago but not the ones claiming it today?
     
    Derwood, Nov 28, 2011
    #73
  14. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

    Location:
    Toronto
    Why didn't you just say so? Your response can be interpreted as though you didn't know.

    Now it reads as snarky indifference.

    This is a discussion forum, you know.
     
    Baraka_Guru, Nov 28, 2011
    #74
  15. EDDIE

    Eddie Getting Tilted

    Because the bible is more than just a book, is God's word to His children. It's alive and powerful. It's not a book meant for unbelievers.
     
    Eddie, Nov 28, 2011
    #75
  16. Derwood

    Derwood Slightly Tilted

    Location:
    Columbus, OH
    It's not alive. It's 2000 years old with no updates. If there was a God, he abandoned us millenia ago
     
    Derwood, Nov 28, 2011
    #76
  17. EDDIE

    Eddie Getting Tilted

    Uh, I quoted jonie's post in my reply. That means I'm responding to her.
     
    Eddie, Nov 28, 2011
    #77
  18. Derwood

    Derwood Slightly Tilted

    Location:
    Columbus, OH
    It's Eddie being a good Christian example to us all
     
    Derwood, Nov 28, 2011
    #78
  19. EDDIE

    Eddie Getting Tilted

    It's not alive to you. You have no means by which to see the truth of His word. You don't His spirit in you.
     
    Eddie, Nov 28, 2011
    #79
  20. EDDIE

    Eddie Getting Tilted

    I never claimed to be a Christian.
     
    Eddie, Nov 28, 2011
    #80
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