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Occupy Wall Street

Discussion in 'Tilted Philosophy, Politics, and Economics' started by Willravel, Sep 25, 2011.

  1. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

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    I'm only using it as a term because I know it's the kind of expression conservatives can understand. I find that resorting to too much technical lingo in economics often becomes misconstrued. Despite the terminology, my points are both legitimate and truthful.

    Furthermore, I have an interest in letting people know that nanny statism isn't a liberal tool. It's employed equally along the political spectrum.
     
  2. Eddie Getting Tilted

    No it's not. It's simply saying that we're going to focus on American interests, goods and jobs rather than focusing on their global counterparts.

    That's my whole point. American workers shouldn't have to compete in a global job market.
     
  3. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

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    Call it what you want, it's still nanny statism — or, if you prefer, economic protectionism, interventionism, and regulation.

    You should at least admit that you aren't interested in free market capitalism because your desire for these things runs counter to those principles.

    You want the government to step in and make America strong. You want big government telling companies and individuals what they can and cannot do. That's no free market. Quite the opposite.
     
  4. Eddie Getting Tilted

    No it doesn't. What I proposed doesn't restrict the prices an American company can charge for their products, where an American company can sell their products or how many products an American company sells. The only thing affected is where an American company gathers its workforce, that's it.
     
  5. roachboy

    roachboy Very Tilted

    you might do better supporting the passage of a law that, say, prevents companies from buying from suppliers located in countries that do not allow unions.
     
  6. Eddie Getting Tilted

    No, that doesn't bring jobs back to America or restore wealth to Americans. Besides, I'm anti-union.
     
  7. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

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    Okay, you want a socialized workforce and a heavily regulated and protectionist economy.

    What other aspects of free market capitalism do you reject?
     
  8. roachboy

    roachboy Very Tilted

    what do you imagine the point of the transnationalization of production/procurement was?
     
  9. redux

    redux Very Tilted

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    More than 90 percent of all US employers are small businesses. Those small businesses also create more than half of the GDP.

    Yet you oppose programs to provide grants and tax incentives to small businesses to encourage and stimulate hiring. Instead you want tax cuts for the top 0.1 precent that stimulates squat.

    I dont get it.
     
  10. Eddie Getting Tilted

    I want Americans working for American companies. That's not socialism. I don't want heavy regulations.
     
  11. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

    Location:
    Toronto
    But he does support the greatly increased operating costs that would result in tighter importation regulations and hiring restrictions.

    A restriction on importing goods is heavy regulation. A restriction on companies forcing them to hire Americans only is heavy regulation.

    Government intervening in the economy by legislating the complete domestication of the workforce sounds more like socialism than free market capitalism, does it not? Do you know what a free market is? Do you know that socialism and capitalism mix?

    I mean, I don't want to go all Econ 101 on you, but you are being ridiculously self-contradictory here.
     
  12. Eddie Getting Tilted

    If American companies were required to gather their workforce in America, then tax cuts would benefit Americans. I'm across-the-board against any taxes except state and local taxes.
     
  13. redux

    redux Very Tilted

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    Right. Back to the days of robber barons and exploiting American workers rather than foreign workers.
     
  14. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

    Location:
    Toronto
    No, he wants some kind of socialist system whereby Americans are only permitted do business with other Americans.

    I think.

    I admit I'm still rather confused as to what he wants, for all the contradictions.
     
  15. Eddie Getting Tilted

    Robber barons wouldn't succeed in a nation of 350 million people, many who are middle class.
     
  16. redux

    redux Very Tilted

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    Foggy Bottom
    Forget government intervention, I think Eddie needs a TFP intervention.

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  17. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

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    Toronto
    Thanks to government regulation, unions, and the like.
     
  18. Eddie Getting Tilted

    No I don't. You haven't been reading my posts. I want American companies to be able to export to their heart's delight.
     
  19. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

    Location:
    Toronto
    Eddie, I've been reading your damn posts. They don't make sense. Do you honestly think other nations are willingly going to accept a negative balance of trade with an isolationist America? You've got to be kidding me. Especially not at those prices. You're basically talking about a trade war.

    Unless, of course, the inevitable happens and the American economy collapses. Then America can be the Third World country it would need to be to be so insular. Heck, even North Korea exports stuff.
     
  20. redux

    redux Very Tilted

    Location:
    Foggy Bottom
    So you want to start trade wars to benefit US multi-nationals or inversely, collapse the US economy, but not help small businesses.

    You do understand that American companies cant export to other countries if those countries impose barriers.