Penn State Child Molestation Scandal

Pro shooting squad when it comes to something like this. He doesn't deserve to live. He is evil and still has a smile on hes face. Sickening.

 

Nice gut justice but I'd prefer to see this go to trial where we'll get to see every drop of truth squeezed out before sentences are sent down. There's more to this story yet.

 

I'm afraid you are right Jonie. I wonder how many victims will surface. I also wonder if there are victims that won't ever speak up for the 'shame' of being ass raped. If a young boy was abused 15 years go, he would be in his late twenties now. Starting a career, starting a family.... how many now will raise the hand?

 

He started Second Mile in 1977 when he was 34 or 35 years old
His first recorded victim was abused in 1995 when Sandusky was in his mid 50's maybe.
Take into account that most child abusers begin their "careers" as early as their mid 20's

Modestly assuming he assaulted 1 1/4 victims a year over a 40 year period = 50 victims, of which only 10 can be accounted for ( and 2 of those have never been identified) - that could potentially leave as many as 40 more victims of this predator yet to surface.

 

It also raises the question as to how he remained a part of Second Mile. If nobody told them, why not? If they were told, why didn't they drop him?

 

I do wonder if Second Mile is going to be targeted in anyone's investigation. I imagine they will be to some extent.

The Penn State trustees have formed their own "independent" commission to investigate the whole matter. Considering how close a relationship the university has had with Second Mile, I question how diligent their investigation into them will be. Hopefully the state investigation will go through the charity with a fine toothed comb. I suspect that there is more to be uncovered where they're concerned. Probably because I can't get Mark Madden's bombshell comment about a child sex ring, out of my head.

 

Tangentally related, I don't know how i never saw this before:

http://www.sott.net/articles/show/2...ape-isn-t-that-bad-was-normal-back-in-his-day

The article is referring to the pope's 2010 Christmas message to the cardinals. With reference material like this, is it any wonder that sick fucks are able to rationalize their behavior?

 

Hi grumpyolddude



IMO, the 'Tangent' 'touches the circle' firmly in that it's a slam dunk pattern match in terms of power-bodies sacrificing their potential for internal consistency in the name of preserving some status quo. As you say, sick fucks rationalizing their behaviour.

Last year I excommunicated the Pope for his postion that Women being priests are to be deemed on a par with pedaphiles.

Here's a Time article from back then:
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,2004702,00.html

... and here's the google search which got that and a selection of other angles on it:
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,2004702,00.html

It looks like his position is to tolerate pedaphiles, but not female priests.


The issues in this thread bring the same bile in my throat and scream from my lips. I do feel bloodthirsty about this, and felt grateful to Jonie when I read her words.

Solutions, if there are any, I believe are more likely to be found in the squeezing of 'every drop of truth'.

 

Some curious asides and associations:

1) The DA (Ray Gricar) who dropped a child molestation case against Sandusky in 1998 "disappeared" in 2005, about 6 months before he was due to retire and about 4 months before the statute of limitations was up on the Sandusky case.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2060027/Ray-Gricar-disappeared-2005-tried-bring-sex-abuse-case-Penn-States-Jerry-Sandusky.html

2) The attorney for Penn State in 1998 (Wendell Courtney) was also the pro bono attorney for Second Mile at the same time.
http://deadspin.com/5858636/a-penn-state-attorney-who-reviewed-the-1998-police-report-against-jerry-sandusky-also-represented-the-second-mile

3) Leslie Dutchcot, the judge who recently granted Sandusky unsecured and unrestricted bail of $100,000 (prosecutors asked for $500K with an ankle monitor) was a volunteer and donor to Second Mile .
http://deadspin.com/5859075/judge-who-set-unsecured-bail-for-jerry-sandusky-is-a-second-mile-volunteer
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57324173/sandusky-bail-judge-has-ties-to-second-mile/

4) The Clinton County High School officials who were first informed by Victim 1's mother that Sandusky was molesting her son told her that:

"Sandusky is a "great man" and you should go home and think about it before taking further action."

The school did nothing about it, yet went on to take the credit for blowing the whistle on Sandusky after the story broke.

It was the mother of Victim 1 who followed up and took the information directly to the county's child and youth services where an investigation was started immediately, leading to Sandusky's arrest. The high school took no action to bar Sandusky until ordered to do so by the child protection agency.
http://www.sungazette.com/page/content.detail/id/570961/Scandal-may-include-Keystone-Central.html?nav=5011

I'd say Centre County PA is Penn State.

 

In looking at this cartoon, I wonder if there are any current Penn State students, football players especially, or alumni who might be victims of Sandusky themselves. I wonder this as well about Mark McQueary - his reaction and failure to pursue the matter further could be looked upon as behavior one might expect from someone who'd been victimized this way themselves.

I'm making wild suppositions here, but have recently been discovering just how prevalent this sort of thing is, especially with boys who've been involved with male oriented sports over a long period of time.

 

Poor children. The village, surely, keeps the children safe.
I would have no buisness being in a male changing room - unless perhaps it was because I heard a child whimpering - and being a rather short crippled old bitch, I would have no hessitation in whacking the old bastard about the head with my walking stick repeatedly, and the only thing that would stop me ramming it where the sun dont shine would be fear of further traumatising the child.
Last week, our local paper reported on a child victim of sex abuse at a local catholic orphanage. The test case is changing and making laws. The church have tried the old 'it wasnt our fault' line, but it has been judged that they are culpable for what their priests and nuns did to children. There is no excuse for raping children - however, the buggerer probably is romanticising himself during his vile act, and has probably justified his act of 'gift giving'. Some men prefer blondes, some brunettes, some eight year olds, some prefer buggering infants. I dont believe you change them. I dont believe they want to be changed.
Its one time when I would support hunting with hounds, substituting fox for child mollesting monster, let him be persued by hounds and orrible enrys on orseback, chased until his chest is bursting, and then ripped apart. Wont do it again.
Pair of stout gloves and cut his willy off with pinking shears.
I hope more of his victims find the bravery within to 'out themselves'. I hope enough see themselves as survivors rather than victims. I hope their main reward will be that its easier for the next lot of victims who come looking for justice - because that would be a bigger win than just castrating one monster.

 

The fact is, most child predators are the victims of a child predator themselves and it's difficult to imagine how and where a cure or treatment might be found that would be effective in breaking the cycle. As those who re-enact the abuse they suffered, by abusing others, are either unwilling or unable to stop the activity, it is, and has been, solely up to the rest of us to be vigilant and address every instance where abuse is suspected. For this reason, I hold those at Penn State who knew about it as culpable in the abuse as I do Sandusky. In a strange sort of way, maybe even more so, considering the fact that they have been deemed sane and not under the influence of a deviant sexual compulsion.

 

They dont see themselves as being in need of a cure Jonie, they think of themselves as being gift givers. There is no cure, they do not want one. They sit in group therapy and one will talk about how good it is to fuck a three year old, and the others in their peer/therapy groupwill be getting their jollys listening. They are not appalled as they do not find it to be an appalling act and they are all at it.

 

So Sandusky said yesterday he was just horsing around. I doubt if he feels he needs a cure.

 

One of my former students was at a prison that rehabs these sex offenders - my former student was in for murder. He sat in group therapy sessions with them, and he watched them, and he said they got off on each others tales of raping children, said he wanted to beat the crap out of them but couldnt. They all know prison is a game you play to get out of jail, they go to rehab so they cut years off their sentence and in there, they say the things they are supposed to say to please the therapist so they can get back out to the park. They are, after all, well practiced liars.

 

After seeing the interview with Bob Costas, that man is fucking guilty and abhorent. I also find it strangely odd that the attorney for Sandusky has found the victim named in the shower claim, yet says the commonwealth hasn't. Pay off anyone??

Here's the biggest kicker for me. Sandusky was widely regarded as not only a successor for JoePa, but he was a defensive coordinator for two nat'l championship squads. Yet when he is told he'll never be the head coach at Penn State, he never interviews for another job. He could have scored multiple openings, but chose to stay close to home and the organization for young people.

Plus, who says that perhaps showering and "horsing" around with minors in the showers was a "possible" bad decision? Seriously?? I think most people would think that's a bad choice in any regard. On top of that, his taped conversation with a mother of one of the boys is damaging and if it ends up as evidence in court, I don't see how an attorney can possibly get over his statements of "I feel horrible, I know I won't get forgiveness, I wish I were dead". No person that is innocent would say those things if accused of touching a minor inappropriately.

So while I respect the right to a fair trial, this man is beyond guilty. Protective custody in prison won't save him.

 

The interview was chilling. That man is sick beyond help. Holy fuck.

 

And he's out there today with nothing restricting him or preventing him from doing it again thanks to the judge who made the decision to let him go, pretty much on his own recognizance.

And I don't see anywhere in my post, cc, where I said that I thought Sandusky believed he needed to be cured - I absolutely agree that he doesn't regard his sick and sickening behavior as something he needs to stop or needs to be cured of - on top of everything else, he's a narcissist and believes that anything he wants or desires is his due.

But I don't like considering the idea that the cyclical nature of this problem overall is infinitely incurable or untreatable. I guess I just choose not to be that pessimistic.

Haven't watched the Bob Costas interview yet.