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Politics Who's Gonna Win?

Discussion in 'Tilted Philosophy, Politics, and Economics' started by issmmm, Sep 25, 2011.

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  1. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

    Location:
    Toronto
    Baraka_Guru, Nov 10, 2011
    #121
  2. Joniemack

    Joniemack Beta brainwaves in session

    Location:
    Reading, UK
    He's not in the Republican presidential campaign roundup but I found this clip of Rep. Joe Walsh (R) -Ill hilarious.



    Coffee, anyone?
     
    Joniemack, Nov 10, 2011
    #122
  3. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

    Location:
    Toronto
    Oh, man, if Republicans are losing their shit already, the presidential campaign is going to be awesome! #Canadianspectator
     
    Baraka_Guru, Nov 10, 2011
    #123
  4. Aceventura

    Aceventura Slightly Tilted

    Location:
    North Carolina
    My new hero.:)
     
    Aceventura, Nov 10, 2011
    #124
  5. Joniemack

    Joniemack Beta brainwaves in session

    Location:
    Reading, UK
    He either needs to be more selective about his venues or maybe this is the growing attitude of citizens he will confront no matter where he goes.
     
    Joniemack, Nov 10, 2011
    #125
  6. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

    Location:
    Toronto
    If you shout loud enough and let people know you're in charge, then they'll listen to your truthiness.
     
    Baraka_Guru, Nov 10, 2011
    #126
  7. Aceventura

    Aceventura Slightly Tilted

    Location:
    North Carolina
    I simply think the level of frustration is high because some people are stuck in a weird theoretical view of the world of finance.
     
    Aceventura, Nov 10, 2011
    #127
  8. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

    Location:
    Toronto
    I saw it as a simple example of how some people play the blame game to make ideological gains.

    I find it difficult to take anyone seriously when they blame only the government for the financial crisis. Even more so when they have to get all shouty and authoritarian to make a point of it. Even more so when the point is being made as a way of shutting out any other rationale.
     
    Baraka_Guru, Nov 10, 2011
    #128
  9. redux

    redux Very Tilted

    Location:
    Foggy Bottom
    You mean like how some people are stuck in a weird theoretical view that supply side/trickle down is stimulative?
     
    redux, Nov 10, 2011
    #129
  10. Joniemack

    Joniemack Beta brainwaves in session

    Location:
    Reading, UK
    Hold the presses! This is a US Representative whose job it is to listen to his constituents and vote in accordance with their wishes. Yet, he repeatedly screams at them to "LISTEN". Sorry, but that's not the way it works.

    And besides, his idea of finance is theoretical as well, with a bulk of evidence which actually disproves it.
     
    Joniemack, Nov 10, 2011
    #130
  11. redux

    redux Very Tilted

    Location:
    Foggy Bottom
    He also needs to pay his back child support to the tune of over $100k, despite recently being recognized by the Family Research Council as a "True Blue" defender of faith and family. I guess in the eyes of the FRC, deadbeat dads are "true blue" family guys and gay couples are anti-family heathens.
     
    redux, Nov 10, 2011
    #131
  12. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

    Location:
    Toronto
    Well, at least most he apologized for drinking too much coffee on an empty stomach....
     
    Baraka_Guru, Nov 10, 2011
    #132
  13. Bodkin van Horn

    Bodkin van Horn One of the Four Horsewomyn of the Fempocalypse

    Location:
    Inside The Nucleus of Feminism
    As someone who doesn't work in finance, you must recognize that your view is also theoretical, right? And that finance is predicated on a whole set of theories about things? Theories that may or may not have solid grounding in reality depending on how they're applied?
     
    Bodkin van Horn, Nov 10, 2011
    #133
  14. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

    Location:
    Toronto
    It's not even about this theory or that theory. It's about taking a comprehensive look at how things work and how things are factors, and how these factors work for and against each other.

    Here is something recently written and relevant on the matter: What caused the financial crisis? The Big Lie goes viral — The Washington Post

    So what caused the crisis? It's not as simple as "the government." It's in the article, and there is more than one answer. Here is a cheat sheet:


    So why is "Joltin' Joe Walsh" trying to rewrite history?
     
    Baraka_Guru, Nov 10, 2011
    #134
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  15. the_jazz

    the_jazz Accused old lady puncher

    I like how Walsh thinks that the financial crisis ISN'T the fault of the banks. You know, those banks that DIDN'T recklessly lend money. Or those other banks that DIDN'T package those loans into bonds, hoodwink the rating agencies and sell them to folks that thought it was impossible to game the system like that.
     
    the_jazz, Nov 11, 2011
    #135
  16. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

    Location:
    Toronto
    Well, he's playing a dangerous game. He's using propaganda to put all the blame on government, which basically means he blames government regulation. Looking at how the system works, most of the problem can be sourced at lax/no regulation on one hand and mismanaged regulation on another. The crisis is by no means indicative of a need for wholesale deregulation of the industry.

    Government may be a part of the problem, but it's not the only source of it---not by a long shot. Furthermore, government is a part of the solution.
     
    Baraka_Guru, Nov 11, 2011
    #136
  17. ALISTAIR

    Alistair Eurotrash

    Location:
    Reading, UK
    No, no, no, no, no.

    Look, he already told you once! "You need to listen!" Watch the video!

    He, on the other hand, has one ear and two mouths, so is hampered from listening to those he represents. The onus falls on YOU. Got it?

    Get with the programme! Sheesh!
     
    Alistair, Nov 11, 2011
    #137
  18. redux

    redux Very Tilted

    Location:
    Foggy Bottom
    The problem with the Tea Party members of Congress for many voters is the fact that they are on the wrong side of public opinion on the issues that voters care about most and their unwillingness to even discuss compromise or consensus building. I would suggest that is the reason why the percent of voters who do not support the Tea Party has grown signficantly since they took office in 2010.

    IMO, in the end, that demand for ideological purity and "no compromise" is the politics of dividing, not uniting, and will lead to their being just a footnote in political history.
     
    redux, Nov 12, 2011
    #138
  19. Joniemack

    Joniemack Beta brainwaves in session

    Location:
    Reading, UK
    As predicted, the Tea Party will go down in history as a one hit wonder, though they did serve a purpose in showing Americans just how crazy far the Republican right are willing to go for votes. If they don't moderate their positions soon, they will be left out in the cold next November. Walsh's vehemence in support of a principle that has already been discarded by the majority, shows that some of them aren't even close to making the move.
     
    Joniemack, Nov 13, 2011
    #139
  20. bobGandalf

    bobGandalf Vertical

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    United States
    I love your "I find it difficult..." statement!
     
    bobGandalf, Nov 20, 2011
    #140
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