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Are Men in Trouble?

Discussion in 'Tilted Life and Sexuality' started by KirStang, Oct 4, 2011.

  1. Eddie Getting Tilted

    I just think we look at it differently. To me masculinity are traits that are inherent to men. Inherent, as in natural. Culture however, either reinforces or overrides the expression of those traits. That's how I see it anyways.
     
  2. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

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    Okay, here is the litmus test: When is it okay for a man to cry?
     
  3. Eddie Getting Tilted

    Either during or after sex.
     
  4. Willravel

    Willravel Getting Tilted

    I think educated, ambitious, successful women are great. I'm not diminished in any way by their success.
     
  5. EventHorizon

    EventHorizon assuredly the cause of the angry Economy..

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    after he is dead and loses muscle control over his tear ducts
     
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  6. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

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    These are both examples of cultural manifestations of masculinity.

    If we were to simply let nature take its course, it would be okay for a man to cry when he is overwhelmed with emotion, for crying in that case is a natural response.
     
  7. EventHorizon

    EventHorizon assuredly the cause of the angry Economy..

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    if we were to let nature take it's course we wouldn't have medicine, cars, or porn on-demand from al gore's internet. nature can be overrated sometimes
     
  8. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

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    This is true, but not allowing nature to take its course is driven by social, cultural, and political pressures.
     
  9. Eddie Getting Tilted

    How do you figure that?
     
  10. Stan

    Stan Resident Dumbass

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    When his wife, mom, or dog dies, and the wife is debatable.
     
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  11. Tully Mars

    Tully Mars Very Tilted

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    Debatable only depending on the amount of life insurance he had on her.
     
  12. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

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    You guys and your cultural variances! :p
     
  13. Eddie Getting Tilted

    Baraka, in no culture do the men cry more than women. Explain that.
     
  14. KirStang

    KirStang Something Patriotic.

    Well, in some cultures, Polyandry is well accepted.... :)
     
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  15. Bodkin van Horn

    Bodkin van Horn One of the Four Horsewomyn of the Fempocalypse

    So where do cultural definitions of masculinity begin and where do natural ones end?
     
  16. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

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    Why? (Assuming it's even true.) That's wandering off topic. We're talking about men, and you've already indicated that you have a cultural bias towards men regarding when it's okay for them to cry.
     
  17. Eddie Getting Tilted

    What do you mean? Up until the feminist movement took hold a few decades ago the male role within all cultures has been virtually the same, just as the female's role has been the same. Throughout history within all cultures the male has been the strong, protector, initiator and the woman has been the more passive, nurturing, responder...The woman takes care of the home and the children while the men go out of the home and attempt to hunt/work/fight for the well being of their family. That has been the male/female dynamic throughout history...up until the feminist movement.
     
  18. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

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    This is false. The dichotomy you describe is largely a Eurocentric one.
     
  19. Bodkin van Horn

    Bodkin van Horn One of the Four Horsewomyn of the Fempocalypse

    I don't know that this is true. Setting questions of its truthiness aside, you seemed to be saying that masculinity as it exists in a cultural form is actually just a manifestation of some sort of innate natural masculinity. So where do innate natural masculinity end and where does cultural masculinity begin?

    Personally, I don't think it makes sense to draw a line between "natural" behavior and cultural behavior. It's all natural.
     
  20. dippin Getting Tilted

    The irony of all of this discussion of the "pussification" of the American male is that one of the main reasons women have surpassed men in higher education is precisely because men resist entering widely perceived "female" occupations. So while I am not trying to argue about "pussification," whatever that is, what the OP points to is actually evidence of men clinging to masculinity in some form.

    As people started getting married later, getting divorced, and so on, women started moving into generally male dominated professions. So there are many more women majoring in engineering, math, chemistry, etc. On the other hand, men have resisted moving into traditional female majors, like nursing, psychology and education.