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Politics Trump - What has he done now???

Discussion in 'Tilted Philosophy, Politics, and Economics' started by rogue49, Jan 8, 2017.

  1. Taliesin

    Taliesin Slightly Tilted

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    So I'm sure we all saw America launch tomahawks at Syria this morning?
    That's a radical change from a few days ago when the USA was backing down in the Syrian war.

    Most news sites are saying Russia had a bit of prior knowledge of the attack, but it will be interesting to see where this all leads today. Surely Russia will condemn the launch?
     
  2. Derwood

    Derwood Slightly Tilted

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    I wonder what this Syria attack is attempting to distract us from
     
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  3. redravin

    redravin Cynical Optimist Donor

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  4. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

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    US strike on Syria is widely hailed, but angers Russia

    Russia mad??
    Sorry, I think it's a misdirect...a ploy.
    Russia, who really doesn't care about Syria and has bombed them themselves...likely somehow told Trump to slam them. (50+ missiles??? Talk about overcompensating)
    Then...they get "mad", creating doubts that there is any connection.
    Classic fakeout.
     
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  5. Chris Noyb

    Chris Noyb Get in, buckle up, hang on, & be quiet.

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    Trump's concern over the children affected by the chemical warfare really touched my heart.

    Well, it might've had I believed him.
     
  6. ralphie250

    ralphie250 Fully Erect

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    I couldn't watch the video with the kids
     
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  7. ASU2003

    ASU2003 Very Tilted

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    The installation of the most right wing conservative supreme court justice who will let corporations rule and change the course of society for the next 10 years at least. Although if the far left Democrats can win in 2020 and have 50 senate seats, maybe they will increase the number of supreme court seats to 11.
     
  8. martian

    martian Server Monkey Staff Member

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    There's a lot of talk on the strike on Syria (deservedly) but it feels like Gorsuch's confimration and Bannon's fall from grace are slipping past without as much attention as they deserve.

    Gorsuch was expected. To their credit, the democrats did try to filibuster, and also pointed out the hypocrisy when Mitch McConnell made a lot of noise about unpatriotic perversion of the process blah blah all the exact opposite of the things he was saying when Merrick Garland was up. And now there's a new supreme court justice. I didn't actually think I could have less respect for Mitch McConnell but the blatant dishonesty is just hard to swallow.

    The thing with Bannon is a whole other issue. I'm somewhat hopeful that it's a sign that Trump's administration is unraveling. I suppose time will tell.
    --- Double Post Merged, Apr 7, 2017, Original Post Date: Apr 7, 2017 ---
    10 years? Gorsuch is only 49. 20 is more likely. 30 is not outside the realm of possibility.

    I think the Syria strikes are more likely a distraction from the continuing Russia stuff, and/or the internal strife in the west wing. There are so many leaks now it's basically a sieve at this point.
     
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  9. Chris Noyb

    Chris Noyb Get in, buckle up, hang on, & be quiet.

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    Clarification: I didn't buy into Trump's concern. I wasn't questioning the horror of the chemical bombing.
     
  10. redravin

    redravin Cynical Optimist Donor

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    [​IMG]
     
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  11. Taliesin

    Taliesin Slightly Tilted

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  12. ASU2003

    ASU2003 Very Tilted

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    I am optimistic that the court's balance of power will swing back in 10 years. I'm not sure it is likely though and I know that a lot has to change before that is even possible. There will be a lot of bad decisions that will change society in the next few years I'm afraid.
     
  13. martian

    martian Server Monkey Staff Member

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    I'm not. The oldest justices currently serving are Ginsburg at 84, Kennedy at 80, and Breyer at 78. Ginsburg is as liberal as they come, Kennedy is a Reagan appointment but basically a socialist by the standards of today's republicans and Breyer swings left too. All three will likely need to be replaced in the next decade. The next oldest justice is Thomas at 68. Basically barring someone resigning for some unforeseen reason there's no reason to expect that any of the conservative justices will give up their seats, but three liberals are due some time in the next decade. Maybe the next four years. We've already seen what a Trump nominee is, and if Trump does get impeached that means Mike Pence will be potentially nominating someone. Care to guess what his ideal justice looks like? Hint: the guy he chooses (and it will be a guy) will make Gorsuch look like a tree-hugging hippie.

    Furthermore, we've just seen that the only way a liberal justice gets on the bench is if the democrats can hold the presidency and the senate simultaneously. The seat Gorsuch just took should have been Obama's to fill, but the republicans are entirely willing to change the rules as they go, so long as they get their way, and their constituents don't give a crap. It's hard to compete with a party that values their political gamesmanship above the welfare of the nation.

    Gorsuch's appointment isn't in itself a disaster. Replacing Scalia with Scalia II: Scalia Harder doesn't really affect the overall makeup of the supreme court that profoundly. But the way it happened is extremely troubling. It's clear that the supreme court is not going to become less conservative in the next decade without some earth-shattering changes happening in the entire process. If we're all lucky it might not become more conservative. But I honestly wouldn't hold my breath.
     
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  14. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

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  15. Chris Noyb

    Chris Noyb Get in, buckle up, hang on, & be quiet.

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    Trump saw himself as a king before becoming POTUS.

    Trump as POTUS now sees himself as The King. He and the royal family are going to live royally.

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    All those deluded and/or stupid people who bought into what Trump was selling.
    All those idiots who thought voting for Trump was a great protest vote against Clinton.

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    A Very Scary Thought: What will happen with the SC if Trump somehow manages two full terms, with plenty of Republican support in Congress.
     
  16. Street Pattern

    Street Pattern Very Tilted

    Two interesting columns about Trump, one from the right (David Brooks), one from the left (Josh Marshall):

    Edit: the NY Times link to David Brooks somehow gets hijacked to "viglink" no matter what I do. Here's something you can cut/paste (don't bother clicking on it):
    nytimes.com/2017/04/07/opinion/the-coming-incompetence-crisis.html


    • Marshall: "What is key though is to understand that this is not just ignorance. Ignorance is just the first stage of Trump’s fairly advanced problem. He is not only ignorant but clearly unaware of his level of ignorance. This is compounded by a seeming inability to understand that everyone else isn’t equally ignorant to him."

    • Brooks: "Up until this period I had always thought of ignorance as a void, as an absence of knowledge. But Trump’s ignorance is not just an absence; it is a rich, intricate and entirely separate universe of negative information, a sort of fertile intellectual antimatter with its own gravitational pull."

    • Marshall: "Remaining ignorant is probably a good adaptive strategy for him because it allows him to pretend that everything is obvious, that he can solve any problem and generally act like he can do anything – in a way, this allowed him to become President."

    • Brooks: "The normal incompetent person flails and stammers and is embarrassed about it. But the true genius at incompetence like our president flails and founders and is too incompetent to recognize his own incompetence. He mistakes his catastrophes for successes and so accelerates his pace toward oblivion. Those who ignore history are condemned to retweet it."

    • Marshall: "So far the Trump Presidency has been a sort of Mr Magoo performance art in which the comically ignorant Trump learns elemental or basic things that virtually everyone in the world of politics or government already knew – things that the majority of adults probably know. Health Care: 'Nobody knew health care could be so complicated.' North Korea: 'I felt pretty strongly that they had tremendous power. But it’s not what you think.' There are perhaps half a dozen examples equally stark."

    • Brooks: "It is in its own way a privilege to be alive at the same time as a man who is the Albert Einstein of confirmation bias, a man whose most impressive wall is the one between himself and evidence, a man who doesn’t need to go off in search of enemies because he is already his own worst one."
     
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  17. redravin

    redravin Cynical Optimist Donor

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  18. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

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  19. ASU2003

    ASU2003 Very Tilted

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    The war criminals in Columbia just had a meeting with Trump at Mar-A-Lago. Why have peace when that means the conservatives would have to make some compromises? I fear for what might happen in Columbia with media propaganda, education corruption, and whatever new strategies that Trump and his administration & friends might help them with.
     
  20. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

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