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Politics The Elephant in the room...The GOP today

Discussion in 'Tilted Philosophy, Politics, and Economics' started by rogue49, Aug 28, 2012.

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  1. martian

    martian Server Monkey Staff Member

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    I mean, I guess? But when I say a swing that large is unprecedented I mean that in the literal sense. Never before in history has a candidate been trailing this far in national polls this late in the campaign and won the white house. Never before has the national polling been that far off the mark.

    Reading that article, it seems like Prof. Lichtman himself isn't even too confident in his model this year:

    And that's what he wrote in September, before the debates, which have been a disaster for Trump.

    I think if the Republicans had put up Jeb for this race we'd be looking at a very different election. Trump has been completely unprecedented as a candidate in a lot of ways, and I don't think many of those are working for him at this point.
     
    martian, Oct 18, 2016
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  2. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

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    Toronto
    Well, that's just it. Trump has made this election a bit of a wild card. Then you consider what happened with Bernie Sanders in the same election cycle. HE'S A SOCIALIST.

    I'll also point out that the majority of the BREXIT polls were wrong.

    But you're right: It's more a matter of degrees. Trump is one hell of a long shot. I still think a Clinton landslide is in the cards.
     
    Baraka_Guru, Oct 18, 2016
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  3. Stan

    Stan Resident Dumbass

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    Colorado
    My worry here is that the electorate is suffering from complacency and contempt.

    You look at Hillary's lead and think she doesn't need my vote. Toss in the fact that I need to hold my nose anyway while voting for her and it's very easy for Trump to win, despite polls.
     
    Stan, Oct 18, 2016
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  4. redux

    redux Very Tilted

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    Ground game to help "get out the vote" is critical and Clinton has a huge advantage in most swing states.

    Where Clinton is Setting Up Field Offices -- and Where Trump Isn't.

    In addition, Clinton inherited the Obama database and invested more in data collection and analytics to reach out to potential and likely voters numerous ways to get them to the polls. Trump invested in hats (made in China).
     
    redux, Oct 18, 2016
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  5. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

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    Baltimore/DC

    She's not leaving anything to chance...also trying to increase her allies in Congress, getting more Dems elected and try for a majority.
    And I'm surprised, she's already planning out damage control from Trump...cleaning up his mess. (if she wins) - LINK
    I'm impressed.
     
    rogue49, Oct 18, 2016
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  6. ASU2003

    ASU2003 Very Tilted

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    Where ever I roam
    Quite frankly, the biggest mess she will face will be in rural America. She said she wanted to be the President for all Americans in the first debate, but that failed big time for Obama. The far right media, PACs, and pet causes will make sure that they will cause her more problem than any foreign country.
     
    ASU2003, Oct 22, 2016
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  7. Tully Mars

    Tully Mars Very Tilted

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    Agreed. Actually this is one of my main issues with him.
     
    Tully Mars, Oct 24, 2016
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  8. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

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    rogue49, Dec 12, 2016
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  9. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

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    rogue49, Dec 17, 2016
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  10. Remixer

    Remixer Middle Eastern Doofus

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    Frankfurt, Germany
    I can't believe Cheney of all people made a return.

    Fucking plot twist of the decade right here.
     
    Remixer, Dec 17, 2016
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  11. Shadowex3

    Shadowex3 Very Tilted

    Darth Cheney , President Cheeto, and the Frito Banditos.
     
    Shadowex3, Dec 17, 2016
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  12. redux

    redux Very Tilted

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    Last edited: Dec 17, 2016
    redux, Dec 17, 2016
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  13. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

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    Baltimore/DC
    So much for the blood & spittle rhetoric...we find that many are just blowfish...and are truly a cowardly lot.
    Trump posse browbeats Hill Republicans

    THANK YOU SIR I WANT ANOTHER!!!

    It's one thing to do it for a fraternity...it's another to do it politically and for your job.
    One is brief, social and impacts only you.
    The other is continuing and has consequences for many, if not all...
     
    rogue49, Dec 21, 2016
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  14. Remixer

    Remixer Middle Eastern Doofus

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    Frankfurt, Germany
    Hm, I do get the point you're making, rogue, and I was very apprehensive of Trump's installment of figures like Bannon in his cabinet.

    But as I read through the article, for the first time did I feel like having - what I believe to be - a working understanding as to why he has chosen these controversial figures.

    They have massive reach within the GOP voter base, and thus have the ability to exert massive pressure on any GOP politician.

    I think we can agree that any sense of standard or pretense to be doing the right/moral thing has disappeared from Republican politics a long time ago. All that counts with their voters is making populist statements/promises and basing it on wildly speculative or even entirely made-up narratives, and the lawmakers have happily followed that trend until it became the established modus operandi.

    Given the localized political atmosphere and how the GOP voters apparently base their opinions and decisions on the headlines and biased reporting of the mass media geared towards their demographic, using influential figures from deep within that space as a disciplinary tool on zero-standards Republican lawmakers on Capitol Hill makes absolutely perfect sense to me. The figures involved and their subordinates may not be the most refined personalities out there, but whatever and however they do things is what enables their reach and influence.

    Not being deadlocked/massively delayed like Obama was in many of his efforts due to the GOP lawmakers' stubbornness (and at-times outright brinkmanship) in return for having the slight of a Neonazi on your public portfolio appears to me as a thoroughly pragmatic approach towards the mess of a situation that is US politics.

    I hadn't understood this aspect prior to the article, so many thanks for the enlightenment. Let's see how this strategy will pan out for Trump in the coming year.
     
    Remixer, Dec 21, 2016
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  15. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

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    Baltimore/DC
    Sorry @Remixer - a bad decision is not necessarily better than no decision.

    Like if you're standing on a cliff, standing there blankly looking over it, IS better than walking forward.

    And people agreeing to walk forward, just because they're told to or fear to object, doesn't make it any better.

    You have to stand up for what's right. Even if it costs you.
    How can you live with yourself otherwise??

    Now, I'm one who loves to debate semantics or potentials, as anyone. (actually, I'm fairly flexible with my openness to ideas. It's about what works, not ideology)
    But there comes a time when a bad decision becomes fairly obvious. Like "if" I decide to walk off this cliff, I will likely die. (OR at least, hurt REALLY bad)

    Frankly, it's very worrisome the steps they've already taken and they aren't in power yet.
    And the damage that may occur...not just the cost, there's always a cost...but impacting our nation and its citizens.

    Actually, I'd rather them being stuck in the mud than sliding off the road and the cliff.
    And being in the country in question, it is a bit personal.
     
    rogue49, Dec 21, 2016
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  16. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

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    I've got one suggestion for the GOP who's happy they're in control.
    You're not going to rule ANYTHING if we're all dead.
    Please keep the maniac(s) in check.

    1st rule: no nukes. (not having them, I get the essence of their existence ..."using them")
    No one can "out run" them.
    And it would make all you workers under you fried if it does. (how would you get your money then? who would open the doors for you?)

    Most everything else is semantics and negotiable.
     
    rogue49, Dec 23, 2016
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  17. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

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    Ahh...the "fun" begins... :rolleyes:
    Oh well...people who voted...this is what you voted for. (by majority...) People who didn't vote...well, you get what you did NOT vote for. The minority, well...just keep screaming. (maybe they'll hear...yeah, right)
    House GOP votes to gut independent ethics office

    Ladies & Gentlemen, your modern GOP...
    Fuck ethics.

    Correct me if I'm wrong. :mad:
    I'm just a simple GDI
     
    rogue49, Jan 2, 2017
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  18. redravin

    redravin Cynical Optimist Donor

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    Just getting ready for their man Trump.
    Can't have anybody independant going after him.
     
    redravin, Jan 3, 2017
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  19. ASU2003

    ASU2003 Very Tilted

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    Where ever I roam
    I corrected your statement.

    It's like that stupid Silent Majority campaign sign Trump had. The Tea Party is neither. They are the Loud Minority.
     
    ASU2003, Jan 3, 2017
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  20. cynthetiq

    cynthetiq Administrator Staff Member Donor

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    I guess that's not really the case. I'd like to say that maybe congress was trying to take advantage of the circus being in town to be able to do what they please and not have any repercussions.

    Donald J. Trump on Twitter

    2017-01-03_15-39-28.jpg
     
    cynthetiq, Jan 3, 2017
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