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Refute Political Memes Here

Discussion in 'Tilted Philosophy, Politics, and Economics' started by genuinemommy, Jul 12, 2016.

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  1. Chris Noyb

    Chris Noyb Get in, buckle up, hang on, & be quiet.

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    I have no doubt that many Texans,

    and folks from other Southern states,

    hauled ass to Mexico after (and probably during) the Civil War.
     
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  2. Knight Templar

    Knight Templar Holy Warrior

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  3. wye

    wye Getting Tilted

    Dear Solitary Man,

    I can see you're troubled by what appears to be self-contradictory rhetoric from progressive politicians. I would like to help you understand the reasoning behind both pro-choice policies and excise taxes on products that are harmful to human health, so I encourage you to read this post and to respond if you wish.

    Most progressives argue that a woman should have the right to abortion not because they support unconditional freedom from governmental limitations, but because abortion is something that improves the situations of certain pregnant women who are typically under tremendous distress.

    On the contrary, goods including tobacco and soft drinks do not improve conditions of physical or mental health but threaten them. The US government taxes tobacco products due to overwhelming evidence that the tax lowers smoking rates and improves public health (especially among teenagers, to whom smoking is most damaging). Similarly, there is convincing evidence that a viably high tax on "empty calorie" beverages such as sugary sodas could significantly decrease diabetes and obesity rates.

    So, arguing in favor of abortion but against products that harm public health is not logically inconsistent within the progressive framework of improving the human condition.
     
  4. Knight Templar

    Knight Templar Holy Warrior

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  5. redravin

    redravin Cynical Optimist Donor

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    Give me a better option.
    Seriously, I'd be happy to vote for a better candidate but if she is the best one (and she she it) I have to vote for her.
    Insulting me for how America picks its presidential candidates is kind of rude.
     
  6. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

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    If a civil war broke out in America today, it might look a lot like Syria today (or worse).

    Blatant ad hominem attack. This is not a political argument; it's a diversionary tactic that hints at the shortcomings of those who oppose Clinton, whether supporters of Sanders or Trump .
     
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  7. redux

    redux Very Tilted

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    Do "a series of increasingly outrageous and extremely fake campaign ads" count as political memes?

    Triumph the Insult Comic Dog stages a focus group with Trump’s biggest supporters, presenting a series of increasingly outrageous and extremely fake campaign ads, to find out how far they’re willing to go in support of their candidate.


    View: https://youtu.be/6MubunsD-7g
     
  8. Stan

    Stan Resident Dumbass

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    I'll probably regret fighting fire with fire, but what the hell?


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  9. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

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    I'm not refuting the 2nd...although, there have been scary ones (Dems seem to just have sorry ones, go figure)
     
  10. Knight Templar

    Knight Templar Holy Warrior

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  11. redravin

    redravin Cynical Optimist Donor

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  12. Chris Noyb

    Chris Noyb Get in, buckle up, hang on, & be quiet.

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    Setting aside the attribution issue, that message in that meme cuts both ways.

    Comments that are hurtful are a form of intolerance toward the targets.
    Attempting to stop such comments are form of intolerance toward free speech.

    This is a serious gray area for me. In some ways political correctness is a good thing (I'm extremely happy to report that I very rarely hear the word nigger used anymore). OTOH it's easy to find many examples of political correctness taken to the extreme (suspending kindergarten students for holding hands).
     
  13. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

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    Actually, he does appear to have said/written that.

    Written: When Will Jesus Bring the Pork Chops? - George Carlin - Google Books

    Said:

    View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLUrctAOJEo


    Though, what bothers me about discussions of political correctness is that many people claim to argue against political correctness when instead they're really arguing against censorship. These are two different issues.

    Without getting too much into it, I will simply quote a Canadian writer on the issue:

    "Short of walking into a conversation, sandblasting the brick and installing track lighting, there is no surer way to announce one is from the 1980s than to mount an assault on 'political correctness,' the contemporary phrase for which is 'not being a jackass.'"​

    — Tabatha Southey​
     
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  14. wye

    wye Getting Tilted

    This video appears to casually demonstrate the social psychological phenomena of pluralistic ignorance, social proof, and obedience. The focus group format is somewhat similar to the experimental design of the Asch conformity experiments and even the Milgram experiment, and the results seem similar as well. The group members together conform to unconventional attitudes that they likely have falsely attributed to each other, and they individually conform to unethical attitudes presented by an authority figure.

    Ironically, the laugh track in this video also plays on the principle of inducing conformity via social proof, and incidentally, the Daily Show did something similar during the primaries: DONALD TRUMP 2016: THE NATIONAL NIGHTMARE CONTINUES - Video Collection | Comedy Central Official Site | ComedyCentral.com

    How is suspending kindergartners for holding hands ontologically linked to your other example, discouraging the use of racial slurs? I find that the latter is a commonly cited example of political correctness, but I've never known that term to be defined in such a way to include a proscription on PDA.

    The way I understand PC, there's no gray area with free speech. Freedom of speech is a legal right codified in various jurisdictions, whereas PC is voluntary adherence to stylistic guidelines. Freedom of speech protects you from being prosecuted for speech that does not violate other freedoms, which is a gray area between free speech and criminal speech such as defamation, sedition, and other legal restrictions of free speech.

    At least in the US, which is the subject of this George Carlin line, PC is not a legally defined form of criminal speech and is not enforced like one. PC is rather like a moral code advocated by varying ideologies, often represented by discrete and particular word choices for single concepts, and sometimes by preferences for expressing some concepts over others, in accord with the values of the speaker's ingroups.

    As such, American conservatives and American liberals both have sets of stylistic guidelines for correct speech within their respective political frameworks (politically correct speech). Euphemisms and dysphemisms of American conservative PC speech include enhanced interrogation (torture), family values and "religious freedom" (homophobic discrimination), job creators (the upper class), skeptic (denialist, usually over global warming or evolution), War on Christmas/Christianity (secularism), and "political correctness" (respect).

    I agree. The Carlin video you posted does exactly that.
     
  15. Knight Templar

    Knight Templar Holy Warrior

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  16. wye

    wye Getting Tilted

    Congress clearly has a legal right to spend tax dollars, given by the Taxation and Spending Clause of the US constitution:


    Perhaps this "no right to appropriate a dollar" statement is expressing a normative view: the view that, according to the ethical framework of its author (who is almost certainly the biographer Edward S. Ellis, not Crockett himself), congress shouldn't have the right to appropriate public money. That argument contradicts the following sentiment you shared on page 1 of this thread:

     
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  17. Knight Templar

    Knight Templar Holy Warrior

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  18. wye

    wye Getting Tilted

    Andrea Tantaros is even wrong about what her colleagues are wrong about. The controversy wasn't about "how they died" but about what motivated the attack on the Benghazi compound. What did Hillary Clinton tell the families of people who lost their lives in Benghazi? | PolitiFact

    This pundit has a history of getting things completely wrong. Here's one of her more egregious claims among others of rape apologetics, ebola-fueled racism, torture glorification, global warming denialism, and islamophobia. Fox News host says Americans don't know their history, then flubs history of Boston Tea Party | PunditFact

    When she appears on a segment with Bill O'Reilly, Bill amazingly becomes the voice of reason.


    View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCIl_qW5lkY


    View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5g7r2F3h6t0
     
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  19. Knight Templar

    Knight Templar Holy Warrior

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  20. redravin

    redravin Cynical Optimist Donor

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    Trump has been using that one to no end lately.
    What he hasn't been mentioning is what he said in 2008.

    Trump, however, donated to Clinton during her Senate and presidential campaigns and praised both Democratic candidates.
    “Hillary Clinton said she’d consider naming Barack Obama as her vice-president when she gets the nomination, but she’s nowhere near a shoo-in,” Trump wrote in a 2008 blog post. “For his part, Obama said he’s just focused on winning the nomination, although at least one member of his team said Clinton would make a good vice-president. (I know Hillary and I think she’d make a great president or vice-president.)”
     
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