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Discussion in 'Tilted Philosophy, Politics, and Economics' started by genuinemommy, Jul 12, 2016.

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  1. wye

    wye Getting Tilted

    You might think it true that the news is scarier now than when television was first popularized some sixty years ago.

    But because our world is in fact safer now than its ever been, this perception may be due to increased sensationalism in tv news if not rosy retrospection of a mythical golden age.
     
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  2. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

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    Actually, things ARE getting better. (shown in stats...)
    It's just we're announcing more global things real time.

    But the bad guys CAN get around easier, just like us...and the weapons they have ARE more efficient & destructive.
    So, it's fewer...but when it does happen, the bangs are louder.

    I remember a time we had to wait for the daily newspaper or the nightly news.
    And you'd rarely hear about anything in any other country. (it's a big crazy world...always has been)

    Plus ours standards and expectations are higher. (I'm sure you have heard of the "PC police"...where did that come from??)
    And things are more transparent and not tamped down as before. (the system and the powers that be ARE more open, less inclined to hush...as least in comparison to the past)
    And they're competing with the web.

    It's not worse...just faster, more granular, more global.
    4K HD with surround sound now...
     
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  3. Knight Templar

    Knight Templar Holy Warrior

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  4. redravin

    redravin Cynical Optimist Donor

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    Sometimes these things are so stupid they refute themselves.
     
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  5. Knight Templar

    Knight Templar Holy Warrior

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  6. redravin

    redravin Cynical Optimist Donor

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    You do understand that slavery was an industry right?
    That it wasn't just owning slaves that made people money but the things that slaves produced?
    The fact that the White House was built by independent contractors who were slave owners is kind of a good reason that people have issues with the whole "well not that many people owned slaves' idea.
    Plenty of people were able to take advantage of the labor the provided beyond just the owners and an entire culture was built on owning them.
    In fact an entire war was fought about the right to own them, which pretty much proves how important keeping them was to both the people who ran things and the society in general.
    Was it a relatively small group in total sure but only 26% of Americans own a firearms and you could easily say that our culture is focused on them.
    All that aside, I think most black people have enough horrible things happening right now to be pissed off about that slavery is kind of a dull roar in the background.
     
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  7. wye

    wye Getting Tilted

    No one can reasonably blame you for the actions of others, especially actions committed before you came into being. But you can be held responsible for how you respond to past injustices today, and spreading messages that attempt to trivialize the extent and repercussions of America's history of slavery is a blameworthy behavior.

    Here's a comprehensive look at slave ownership statistics from the 1860 census: 1860 Census Results

    As you can see, the percent of slave state families who owned slaves and the percent of slaves in the total populations of slave states are more meaningful statistics than the percent of slave owners (because four million slaves were owned by only four hundred thousand wealthy men but served millions of other people through working for the families and business of those men).

    Using these metrics, we can see that almost half of the families in the Southern states of Mississippi and South Carolina owned slaves, and those slaves accounted for over half of their total respective populations (because most slave-owning families held multiple slaves).

    The bottom row of the table sums up each value from all the listed states and indicates in the rightmost column that slaves made up 13% percent of the US population. That's very close to the current demographic value for Black Americans. Is that made insignificant because the select wealthy men living mostly in the Deep South who officially owned the four million American slaves represented 1.6% of the total US population of men, women, and children in free states, slave states, and former territories?
     
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  8. genuinemommy

    genuinemommy Moderator Staff Member

    Wow. Those numbers are striking. Half the population of an area, living in slavery? That's horrific.
     
  9. wye

    wye Getting Tilted

    Yes. The rightmost column of the census data table on the page I linked indicates that most states in the Deep South had slave populations in 1860 of about half the total. Alabama 45%, Florida and Georgia both 44%, Louisiana 47%, Mississippi 55%, and South Carolina 57%.
     
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  10. Knight Templar

    Knight Templar Holy Warrior

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  11. Knight Templar

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  12. redravin

    redravin Cynical Optimist Donor

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    As someone who was married to a teacher I can say without reservation that this meme is complete bullshit.
    Kids aren't allowed to curse and will get in all kinds of trouble for it.
    Kids can pray all they want, they just can't disturb classes.
    If they want to pray at lunch, no one cares or, like Muslim students, go to a separate room to pray at certain times, nobody cares.
    So yeah, bullshit meme is bullshit.
     
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  13. wye

    wye Getting Tilted

    I for one would rather students be free to curse than required to pray.
     
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  14. Knight Templar

    Knight Templar Holy Warrior

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    One place out of how many schools out there,bet it's not like that everywhere.
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  15. redravin

    redravin Cynical Optimist Donor

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    That was in NJ, my daughter is a teacher here in AK and she would tell you the same thing.
     
  16. wye

    wye Getting Tilted

    The above quotation mischaracterizes gun control as "taking guns away from legal gun owners", when it might be better described as "imposing regulations on gun purchase and possession for all persons and prosecuting all who violate them". I previously debunked the claim that "the only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun" on page 3 of this thread. I'll reiterate here: According to the 2014 FBI report A Study of Active Shooter Incidents in the US between 2000 and 2013, 13% of the 160 identified incidents were ended when unarmed citizens restrained the shooters, while only 3% were ended after armed citizens exchanged gunfire with the shooters.

    And I have refuted the other related claim that "criminals aren't fazed by gun control" in the Random Thoughts topic in response to this post.
     
  17. genuinemommy

    genuinemommy Moderator Staff Member

    I am generally not a fan of a sample size of 1.
    Or 2, in @redravin's case.

    But...
    50 years later, how school-prayer ruling changed America | First Amendment Center – news, commentary, analysis on free speech, press, religion, assembly, petition
    "But the Big Lie in the school-prayer debate is the false charge that the Supreme Court expelled God or eliminated praying from public schools. In reality, the Court has never banned prayers in schools — in Engel or in any other decision.
    Instead, the Court ruled that, under the establishment clause of the First Amendment, “it is no part of the business of government to compose official prayers for any group of the American people to recite as a part of a religious program carried on by government.”
    In other words, state-sponsored prayers in schools are unconstitutional. Students, on the other hand, are fully free to pray in public schools — alone or in groups, as long as they don’t disrupt the school or interfere with the rights of others."
     
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  18. Knight Templar

    Knight Templar Holy Warrior

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  19. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

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    Actually, I kind of agree with this one.
    But in some refuting...I wonder how many Americans went to Europe and otherwise...before, during and after these American wars??? (although, it was harder to do...no planes)
     
  20. redravin

    redravin Cynical Optimist Donor

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    A lot of Americans who were loyal to the King went back to England or fled to Canada.
    And the there are the Confedarados in Brazil


    Confederados - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    So yeah, the meme is pretty much bullshit.
     
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