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Introvert vs Extrovert

Discussion in 'General Discussions' started by ZombieSquirrel, Dec 22, 2014.

  1. Daniel_

    Daniel_ The devil made me do it...

    I challenge that introverts don't want to lead.

    In my experience, some great leadership happens 1:1, and is better for it. Some people who are great in a room full of people couldn't lead you to a buffet...
     
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  2. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

    Location:
    Toronto
    I was speaking mostly from my personality type as a whole, though it's my understanding that ISTJs and INTJs can thrive as leaders. They're quite different from my INFP personality though.
     
  3. Levite

    Levite Levitical Yet Funky

    Location:
    The Windy City
    Depends a bit on the individual, but a lot on what kind of leadership is meant. I know a crapload of rabbis and ministers who are INFP or INFJ.
     
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  4. Lindy

    Lindy Moderator Staff Member

    Location:
    Nebraska
    I'm sorry that I don't have time to seek out the source, but I seem to recall reading that both Hitler and Churchill were introverts. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.
     
  5. Street Pattern

    Street Pattern Very Tilted

    Definitely! And Stalin too. But not FDR.
     
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  6. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

    Location:
    Toronto
    This site is interesting. It points out that Hitler was an INFJ along with the likes of Osama bin Laden and Robert Mugabe.

    Famous INFJs - CelebrityTypes.com

    Note the distinct lack of assholes amongst INFPs.... jus' sayin'... :p

    Famous INFPs - CelebrityTypes.com
     
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  7. snowy

    snowy so kawaii Staff Member

    Why don't you toot your own horn a little louder? ;)
     
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  8. Lindy

    Lindy Moderator Staff Member

    Location:
    Nebraska
    It is not our (INFP) nature to toot our own horn. And then we're disappointed when no one else toots it for us.:rolleyes:
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    Is that why we're accused of being full of shit?:D
     
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  9. Stan

    Stan Resident Dumbass

    Location:
    Colorado
    I'd consider myself a functional introvert. I don't like dealing with people; but I'll do what needs to be done.
     
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  10. Borla

    Borla Moderator Staff Member

    I'm solidly in the middle.

    I absolutely need my space. I don't like guests stopping by unannounced, even if they are good friends or close family. I don't like having social plans several days in a row. I am fine going a week or two interacting with almost no one except my wife. I am okay that my work week includes hours and hours alone in a car or hotel.

    However, I am fine in large crowds. When I'm in the mood, I'm great dealing with groups, new people, all kinds of social situations, and can get along with almost anyone if I feel like it. I enjoy public speaking, I consider myself a social leader in most environments, yet I fiercely protect my alone time and privacy. It is like I am extremely one way or the other depending on the situation, and I kind of thrive on having a bit of both.
     
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  11. Daniel_

    Daniel_ The devil made me do it...


    This.

    Every word.
     
  12. PlaysWithPixels

    PlaysWithPixels Getting Tilted


    They've tried to classify introversion as a psychiatric disorder. :(
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    I find it interesting that MBTI is coming up on this board since I had posted a thread about personalities on another forum I'm on.

    I haven't taken the real MBTI since high school or college, and I wasn't that interested in it back then. I have found several online versions and almost always test as an INTJ. This is a link to the test if anyone is interested: Personality test based on C. Jung and I. Briggs Myers type theory

    One of the personality types groups I'm in references that as the most accurate in typing, but not necessarily on the percentages. That said, you might read a question one way on one day, and then feel differently and answer it a different way the next day. I think there also could be some bias. Maybe you want to be a certain way, or seen as a certain way, so you answer the question differently. I made the comment that as a woman, society seems to think I should be in the kitchen crying over the sandwich I'm making. So if I'm trying to conform to society I'm going to test higher as a feeler. There is no question I'm a thinker as I over-analyze everything.

    Back to the original thread question - I am an Introvert and usually test at around 70% for that.

    It isn't that we as Introverts can't give speeches, it's that we have to socialize and make small talk afterwards. That's usually why we have problems at parties. It's meaningless chit chat and we prefer meaningful conversations. We usually need time to recuperate afterwards if we're doing a lot of socializing or pretending to be an extrovert and some of us do this differently. As I now live with roommates, I usually go to my room and close the door and watch TV by myself, or as now - get up early so I have the living room to myself and drink my coffee in peace. :) My best friend would force herself to pretend extroversion for a few days or weeks, and then cut herself off for a few days from the world.

    As an INTJ, there is a stereotype we have no feelings. We do have feelings, we just don't talk about them. We can be leaders, particularly if we see incompetence in the current leadership. The J for me is certain as I'm a planner. Once a decision about how I'm going to proceed with something is made, I'm relaxed, but I can be tense until I have made that decision.

    We are kind of the asshole type - but I would like to point out, that we are extremely loyal in our friendships.
     
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  13. redravin

    redravin Cynical Optimist Donor

    Location:
    North
    That's funny.
    When I worked for DVR one of my coworkers was taking classes to give and score testing.
    She used me as a guinea pig.
    No matter what test I took, IQ, personality, etc. I scored dead in the center.
    I hadn't tried the Briggs Meyers so I followed @PlaysWithPixels link.
    When I took the test I got ENFJ.
    But all my percentages were within 11%.
     
  14. snowy

    snowy so kawaii Staff Member


    Still an ENTJ. My preference for thinking over feeling is slight, which I suppose suits my occupation. I have to be able to think things through and make decisions, but those decisions also need human input and due consideration for the thoughts and feelings of others.

    I had a perfect instance recently at work that demonstrates this. I said students absolutely had to get A done before they could move on to B and participate in the next fun activity we had planned. A kid comes up to me and tries to tell me this sob story, and I immediately cut him off, telling him he'd had plenty of class time to get his work done, and I wasn't going to compromise on that. I was very firm on that point, and sent him off to finish his tasks, despite his obvious displeasure and attempts to argue with me. Another student approaches. Instead of telling me some sob story, student 2 outlines what she'd done so far, despite being out a day sick and having less class time to work on the activity than her peers, and wanted to use the class time to move on task B, as task B requires supplies she did not have at home.

    Empathy is fine and dandy, as is sympathy, but there are times when boundaries need to be kept and maintained.
     
  15. Levite

    Levite Levitical Yet Funky

    Location:
    The Windy City
    I did not care for that version of the test, though I still came up an INFP-- just barely. The versions I've usually taken have way more questions (2-5 times as many), and are more along the lines of a graduated response of like eight or ten options from "totally describes me" to "not at all like me." The comparatively few yes/no questions on this one I thought were all too likely to provide an insufficiently nuanced reflection of the questioner, especially since most of them were really not questions to which I felt it easy to answer either "yes" or "no," and there was no option of "yes, kind of, but..." or "mostly no, but...." I'll see if I can find a link to one of the more complex tests....

    ^^^Yes. This.
     
  16. Daniel_

    Daniel_ The devil made me do it...

    Yep, INTJ again.

    INTJ

    Introvert(56%) iNtuitive(62%) Thinking(88%) Judging(56%)
    • You have moderate preference of Introversion over Extraversion (56%)​
    • You have distinct preference of Intuition over Sensing (62%)​
    • You have strong preference of Thinking over Feeling (88%)​
    • You have moderate preference of Judging over Perceiving (56%)​
     
  17. Remixer

    Remixer Middle Eastern Doofus

    Location:
    Frankfurt, Germany
    I'm ENTP.

    Though I've been described as ambivert before, so I could be INTP as well.
     
  18. Chris Noyb

    Chris Noyb Get in, buckle up, hang on, & be quiet.

    Location:
    Large City, TX
    Small talk kills me; I'm horrible at it. If I don't know the people at a social gathering at all, I'm even worse.

    Although I'm better than I used to be.

    I need to take the test that others have mentioned.
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    Done.

    ISTJ.....very much introverted.
     
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  19. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

    Location:
    Baltimore/DC
    ENFP today, the Champion...which I sometimes get as an alternative. But always a EN-P scenario.
    But I could easily see situations I've done either way for each questions, so there's a difference between the way I act over time and the way I think I'd like to act or interpret it.

    When you answer these questions...are you truly doing them with some consistency over time??

    I'd say the most consistent thing about me is my inconsistency.
    The same is likely true for many.

    What is your true activity...versus what you "think" you do?? hmm?

    Almost wish I had a "meter" to trend off of.
    Something objective.
    But even this would be trending according to some "definition" which may be others' standards.
    What's real? :confused:
     
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  20. PlaysWithPixels

    PlaysWithPixels Getting Tilted



    I think some people forget that even though many INTJ's might act a certain way, there might be a few that do things a little different. There are some graphics I've found on pinterest (as well as tons of MBTI info) that allow you to figure out which of the personalities you are without testing. While I don't think the "founders" of personality theory overlooked the fact that we're all human and all unique, I think it can sometimes be glossed over. Just because you're typed as INTJ, or ESFP, doesn't mean you will necessarily act exactly that way.

    That said, I occasionally test as IxTJ - meaning sometimes I'm N, and sometimes S. (Personally, I think that means I've developed both ways of taking in information.) I'm usually slightly more to the N. Ironically, my best friend is the same way, but the opposite. She tests slightly more to the S, but IxTJ.