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NFL 2014 season thread: The good, the bad, & the ugly.

Discussion in 'General Discussions' started by Chris Noyb, Aug 10, 2014.

  1. Borla

    Borla Moderator Staff Member

    I don't think he is a bad guy, I just think the expectations were unrealistic. For five minutes a few running QBs were having great success. So people were (literally) anointing Kaep as a HoFer and maybe one of the all time best, saying RGIII was going to change the game forever, Cam Newton was going to be Superman, and wondering if Russell Wilson was a top-5 QB. History has long shown that running QBs usually get figured out by good defenses, and only the guys who can adjust really do well long term. Running QBs have to realize that a lot more guys on an NFL field are as fast (or faster) than them compared to NCAAF, the coaching is better, players are more disciplined in covering their gaps, and that they have to mature as a pocket passer to succeed. They also have to start minimizing their hits taken, as that will cause injury and take a toll on their athleticism over time.

    So far, Russell Wilson is the main one of that group that I personally think will succeed. I'm not convinced that he'll ever be a top tier (i.e. Brady, Manning, Rodgers, etc.) guy, but I do think he has potential to be very, very good. Mainly because I think he is smart, and it is seen in his avoiding hits, realizing that running out of bounds is usually better than one extra yard, and that he is trying to stay in the pocket more and succeed by throwing. The other guys have gotten beat up, have never advanced beyond looking for a first, and MAYBE second read before scrambling, and have taken a bit of a beating. Cam has a better chance than Kaep and RGIII, but he hasn't been able to make his team a winner.
     
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  2. Chris Noyb

    Chris Noyb Get in, buckle up, hang on, & be quiet.

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    Borla, forgive me for parroting some of your comments.

    I definately agree that there is a huge difference between NFL defenses and collegiate defenses. A guy like little johhny--I like to pick on him because he is excessively arrogant and he played for the aggies--might face a few of really good defensive players on some of the better college teams, but in the NFL he's going to face many very good defensive players on just about every team. And of course there are the coaches. Not all coaches belong in the NFL, but for the most part they're in the NFL because they've proven themselves, "OK, their QBs likes to run. We'll watch the film on him, and make the necessary adjustments."

    Labelling a player "the next great thing" after their initial success is something the sports media & fans love to do. It might be relatively easy (a subjective term) to see that a running back "has what it takes" after his rookie season, but the QB position involves many more skills. As you pointed out, Kaepernick is a great example of high expectations that were unralistic. I'm boxing fan, and it would be impossible for me to list the number of "next great thing" fighters that never lived up to their perceived potential.

    One of the problems I think of with running QBs is the lack of ability to pass accurately once they start running (not simply scrambling) only to realize that it isn't going to work. They have to recognize that & react before they cross TLOS. Not easy, especially for a young QB. I can imagine defensive backs saying "He's trapped, please let him try a pass."
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    Something I fogot.....the risk of injuries for running QBs. I'm don't necessarily mean major serious injuries, that increased risk for running QBs is a given. I'm thinking more the accumulation of nagging injuries. A slightly sore elbow might not affect his game. But in combination with a slightly sore knee, shoulder, and so on, I could see a running QB having a shortened career.

    If Kaep doesn't adjust his game to rely more on pocket protection, and continues to run a lot, with defenses ready for his runs, will he be around as long as Peyton?
     
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  3. Borla

    Borla Moderator Staff Member

    At this point I'd argue that he won't be around as long. Even if he remains w/o serious injury (your nagging injury concern is spot on IMO), he's not good enough to have a career that long.
     
  4. Chris Noyb

    Chris Noyb Get in, buckle up, hang on, & be quiet.

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    I should've included a qualifier, "provided that Kaep becomes a productive QB."

    I agree, if his slide (ooh, a pun) continues, yes, he might be lucky to be a career back up.

    I hear a couple of announcers talking about QBs running. On a single play the QB ran for more yards than did one of the announcers, a former NFL QB, in his entire career. It was Kaep & Fouts, IIRC.
     
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  5. Borla

    Borla Moderator Staff Member



    I'm okay with a QB that runs occasionally. I just want it to be something that is done either after getting through his third read on a play, or as a designed bootleg or draw twice a game to keep a defense honest or get a conversion/TD in a tight game. Think Andrew Luck or Aaron Rodgers. This year Luck and Rodgers are #6 and #7 in rushing yards by a QB. Last year Luck was #7 (Rodgers was out much of the year). The year before Rodgers was #7, Luck was #8. Both guys can get a few yards when you need it. Both can turn a broken play into something positive. Both are always thinking "pass first, pass second, pass third, okay NOW run". And both will slide or step out more often than they'll take a hit.
     
  6. Chris Noyb

    Chris Noyb Get in, buckle up, hang on, & be quiet.

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    Mentioning slideing & stepping out of bounds.....

    Back during the Oilers/Steelers rivalry, I used get POd because Franco Harris would only "fight" for extra yardage when he absolutely had to. And sometimes he would slide even when he was close rather than bash through a defender. Once he got the first down, and the defense was closing in, down he would go.

    It's possible that I'm wrong :eek: .
     
  7. Borla

    Borla Moderator Staff Member

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  9. ralphie250

    ralphie250 Fully Erect

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    Manziel is on my list of hoping he's a bust
     
  10. Borla

    Borla Moderator Staff Member



    Better put on your Disney Princess dress, because I'm pretty sure your wish upon a star is going to come true. :p
     
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  11. Chris Noyb

    Chris Noyb Get in, buckle up, hang on, & be quiet.

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    Yes, it was VERY NICE to see little johnny get his ass kicked.

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    Son of a bitch.

    I don't know if Fitz could've pulled it off, but having to rely on rookie Savage sure didn't help. The defense did everything it could do keep the Texans in the game.

    Oh well, at least now I can root for the Colts against the cowgirls.

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    Now I'm relying on the Eagles to come through. My wife has been warned that I plan to watch the game.
     
  12. fflowley

    fflowley Don't just do something, stand there!

    The Bills!
    I feel for their defense.....one of if not THE best in the league but the offense is putrid. If the offense could improve to mere competence they Bills would be playoff bound for sure.
     
  13. Borla

    Borla Moderator Staff Member

    Johnny sure didn't seem too beat up over being horrible.

    This was in the closing moments of today's game:

    [​IMG]
     
  14. ralphie250

    ralphie250 Fully Erect

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    I know, i got it on. Lol was glad do see him look like shit. :cool:
     
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  15. ralphie250

    ralphie250 Fully Erect

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    Don't think he looks to sad
     
  16. Tully Mars

    Tully Mars Very Tilted

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    If he keeps playing the way he played today he won't be smiling when he become "Johnny the Safeway stock boy."

    Just guessing but I'll bet there would be a pay cut in the job switch.
     
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  17. Chris Noyb

    Chris Noyb Get in, buckle up, hang on, & be quiet.

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    Bunch of wimps. The Eagles need to change their name to the Doves.
     
  18. Chris Noyb

    Chris Noyb Get in, buckle up, hang on, & be quiet.

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    Thad Lewis? I didn't even know the Texans had a "fourth" QB on the roster. Chances are Case Keenum will get another (temporary) shot as the starting QB for the Texans.

    The football gods are giving OB the finger. Mallet tears a pec muscle, IIRC it happened in a game where he showed good poise. Fitz breaks his leg after getting second chance to show something. Savage hurts his leg in a bad outing, but not many rookies could've stepped into that situation and had a good game.

    If the Texans can't evaluate a QB they actually want on the team (I'm pretty sure that excludes Keenum and Lewis), they might as well line everybody up on the line of scrimage to block and just have someone/anyone hand the ball off to Foster and Blue. Hmmm.....maybe give JJ Watt a shot at QB on a few plays :p.
     
  19. Borla

    Borla Moderator Staff Member

    Report: NFL initially promised Adrian Peterson a two-game suspension | Shutdown Corner - Yahoo Sports


    Some of the coverage on this so far this AM has been misleading. Most of the headlines make it sound like AP was told he was getting a 2 game suspension, then days later the NFL pulled the rug out from under him with the full season ban. However, if you actually read the articles and listen to the released audio recording of the phone call, that's not exactly what happened. Troy Vincent (former player, current NFL exec) said it would be a two game suspension IF Adrian Peterson attended the disciplinary hearing and went through the process the NFL was asking him to. Adrian Peterson refused to attend the meeting Vincent referred to in the call, so the NFL didn't shorten the suspension.

    The entire issue of beating your kid black and blue and cutting his thighs and testicles with a switch aside (which is kind of hard to do, or hard to sympathize with IMO), I don't feel sorry for him now that he's feeling unfairly dealt with. They said "go to the meeting and the punishment will be shortened". He refused to go to the meeting, now he's whining that they lied to him. If anything, this tells me he doesn't associate consequences with his actions. Zero sympathy here.
     
  20. Chris Noyb

    Chris Noyb Get in, buckle up, hang on, & be quiet.

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    Peterson hasn't exactly been hanging his head in shame and/or showing any remorse. Maybe someone should tell him,
    "You might not like it, but you'd be smart to go along with what the NFL wants you to do."

    I'm not suggesting that he's a persecuted scapegoat, he certainly isn't, but he's got to know that the NFL is going to try to save face after the Rice fiasco.