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Ebola - Everybody Panic!!!

Discussion in 'General Discussions' started by ASU2003, Oct 16, 2014.

  1. redravin

    redravin Cynical Optimist Donor

    Location:
    North
    Considering how much the hospitals have cut back on training, staffing and support, why am I the least bit surprised by this?
    It's all about the money and training for something like ebola isn't worth the cost.

    If you make sure you have have enough people to handle any problem, that they are trained well, that your facilities are in the best possible shapes, that procedures are being carried out consistently and well, your hospital will be the best place to go and there will be no outbreaks.
    But it won't make money!
     
  2. DamnitAll

    DamnitAll Wait... what?

    Location:
    Central MD
    Yes, indeed, on all levels.
     
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  3. Speed_Gibson

    Speed_Gibson Hacking the Gibson

    Location:
    Wolf 359
    At some point do I get to use a handgun or handtool to deliver killing blows to the head when the victims come back to life? Or at least meet a girl from the UK/Philadelphia using a southern US accent that sounds natural? Either one of those things would be a silver lining at least.
     
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  4. Freetofly

    Freetofly Diving deep into the abyss

    Well lets hope it does not become airborne. I guess it depends how bad the puking and diarrhea is, and I read it is pretty bad.
    I read an article last year stating that the flu virus can travel further when there is less humidity in the air. Cough droplets become missiles, over the bow and into the nose or mouth of a coworker. :mad:
    People keep the three feet rule when you're sick. I would prefer a 10 feet rule.
    I got my flu shot last night, along with a booster Td. I feel like the girl in the Seinfeld skit, she never moved her arms.
     
  5. Chris Noyb

    Chris Noyb Get in, buckle up, hang on, & be quiet.

    Location:
    Large City, TX
    Ted Cruz, US senator from TX, is proposing that we ban flights into the US from west African nations. That dipshit would do anything to get some media attention.
     
  6. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

    Location:
    Baltimore/DC
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  7. genuinemommy

    genuinemommy Moderator Staff Member

    That's a breath of fresh air right there. Thanks for sharing such a level-headed commentary.
     
  8. snowy

    snowy so kawaii Staff Member

    My local news outlet (KGW 8) has done a great job reporting on this. They've made it clear in every report they do that they want to provide real, actual facts and damp down panic. They did an excellent report yesterday on whether local hospitals are prepared or not. It was extremely reassuring, and they did emphasize that it is very unlikely that ebola would ever come to the PacNW, but that local health organizations here are doing their best to be prepared anyway.
     
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  9. Speed_Gibson

    Speed_Gibson Hacking the Gibson

    Location:
    Wolf 359
    Was it KGW that had Lars Larson as an anchor? It has been a "few years" since I have actively lived in that area...which reminds me, I especially remember watching Ramblin' Rod and the "It's time for another cartoon!"......I don't expect anybody not raised within range of Portland area stations to have any clue what I am referring to there.
     
  10. Street Pattern

    Street Pattern Very Tilted

    Today's Very Good News on Ebola - That You Probably Haven't Heard


     
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  11. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

    Location:
    Baltimore/DC
    And on good news on the US front...not so great news from where the really big battle is...Africa.

    Ebola Front-Line Doctors at Breaking Point

    Doctors Without Borders have been on the fore-front since the beginning...
    Actually, they've been on the fore-front on ALL of the outbreaks.
    They've developed the protocols that broke the previous ones...and the ones the US just adopted to improve it's ability to prevent it.

    If they're losing it...then it's looking really grim for the 3 main affected nations.
    10,000/week??? :eek:
    And from what I've been reading...WHO has been estimating conservatively...if not underestimating.
    Very scary for them.
    Oh yeah, now at 70% fatality rate (increasing...)
     
  12. Street Pattern

    Street Pattern Very Tilted

    The situation is awful in those countries, yes. It is going to take a massive effort (from the U.S., U.K., France, etc.) to control the epidemic in Africa. And that is starting to happen.

    Again, that's an environment where there are nowhere near enough hospital beds or resources to go around. Dying patients -- throwing off volumes of infectuous blood and vomit and diarrhea -- are in their homes, in makeshift clinics, or on the street. Even one such case would be a problem; tens of thousands of cases mean it's completely out of control.

    Consider also the pre-existing public health situation in West Africa. A large percentage of the population already have untreated conditions of some kind. A person with chronic infection or disease has less ability to survive something like Ebola.

    Sanitation matters. Public health conditions matter. What with skin diseases, insect bites, lesions, sores, etc., and no ready supply of simple things like Band-Aids, people are MUCH more likely to pass along bloodborne diseases. This is why HIV spreads readily through heterosexual contact in Africa, but not in the developed world.

    For the West to promote and fund basic public health measures in places like Chad or Malawi is not just altruism.
     
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  13. ASU2003

    ASU2003 Very Tilted

    Location:
    Where ever I roam
    We might have more advanced healthcare here in the US, but we would have the same problems if 10,000 people contracted Ebola here. And the pre-existing health problems of US citizens is probably just as bad.

    We do have better sanitation though. Yea!
     
  14. Street Pattern

    Street Pattern Very Tilted

    No, the situation is not even remotely similar, and I'm appalled that you don't see the distinction.
     
  15. Bodkin van Horn

    Bodkin van Horn One of the Four Horsewomyn of the Fempocalypse

    I don't know that I'd be too confident that the US healthcare system could effectively handle any sort of large scale Ebola outbreak.
     
  16. Street Pattern

    Street Pattern Very Tilted

    Okay, then, walk me through this. How would a "large scale Ebola outbreak" occur in the United States? Step by step. What would be the transmission route?
     
  17. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

    Location:
    Baltimore/DC
    Actually, it could easily happen.
    All you have to do is have a "patient zero" scenario like you did down in TX (but it could happen in any state)

    Except this time, it's not caught...especially in a dense urban area. (like NYC or Chicago)
    The person continues to be out & about...not isolated.
    Dies...folks from medical services and so on...don't figure it out until an autopsy.
    Guess what?
    Now you've got everyone connected with it potentially.
    And only a low-grade fever is an initial indicator. (these people often go into work & school...not the hospital)

    Two things happened to the US benefit.
    The guy went in to the hospital twice...and had a significant fever.
    AND ...Dallas is a big city, but it's spread out in a big area...not lots of dense mass transit and such. (mostly cars)

    Situationally, for a bad scene...the US actually got lucky.

    I've seen medical facilities...they're made up of humans...humans sometimes miss things, are not thorough, etc.

    Why don't we stop talking about what people are "supposed" to do...and start putting up checks & protocols in case they don't???

    BTW...I've seen scenes that are in Liberia and Sierra Leone.
    Their cities and people live REALLY dense, very close...that's just their current culture and situation.
    Americans mostly tend to live with some personal space...this would help I believe.
    I'd say if I'm recalling correct, you'd replicate the boundary/density that's in the original countries. in cities such as Hong Kong, Northern India, Shanghai, Tokyo and so on.
    They'd have a quicker bigger problem if it emerged.
     
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  18. Bodkin van Horn

    Bodkin van Horn One of the Four Horsewomyn of the Fempocalypse

    The US healthcare system is full of cracks. A lot of people don't have insurance and a lot of these same people also can't afford to miss work (or could lose their job for missing work) and a lot of these people also work in food service. A lot of these people also read haughty explainers about how Ebola can't catch on in the US.

    I don't know whether Ebola will catch on here, but if it does I am confident it will have been aided immensely by the assumption that an epidemic was impossible.
     
  19. Speed_Gibson

    Speed_Gibson Hacking the Gibson

    Location:
    Wolf 359
    In the case of the fictional Project Blue/Captain Trips in The Stand those would be factors that helped spread it. Of course a 99.6% mortality rate (top of my head after reading that numerous times over 20 years, not confirming that via internet search) and spreading as easily as the common cold make that a truly nightmarish scenario on every level.
     
  20. Bodkin van Horn

    Bodkin van Horn One of the Four Horsewomyn of the Fempocalypse

    I've seen the mortality rate range from 15% to 90%. It depends on which population if people you're referring to.