Internet Lunatics - RadFems, PUA's, MRA's, MGTOW's, etc.

WARNING: Some of these articles might be triggers, or possibly just so brain - meltingly stupid and appallingly offensive that they may cause you to become severely depressed or punch your monitor.

Has anyone else stumbled across some of the various pieces of "writing" vomited onto the internet by these types of... Let's call them "ideologically avant-garde think-tanks?"

This whole thread discussion idea was borne out of a reply I started writing to a comment from @redravin in the sex and female assertiveness thread, in reference to mention of these slightly sexist articles found on the site Return Of Kings, which sort of snowballed into a discussion of its own:

The irony is that despite their whole elaborate front about being "real men" in the classical sense and reclaiming their masculinity and taking the "red pill" of "reality" is that their whole bullshit charade is predicated on having been a bunch of spineless oblivious dweebs all their lives and then suddenly figuring out their place in society, and thinking they can just jump to the top of the power structure and become manliness experts through massive overcompensation and use of re-appropriated and re-purposed (and largely misunderstood) social/gender/pop-psychology concepts. They self-righteously and aggressively brow-beat into submission anyone who disagrees with their sacred golden ideals of manhood and "logic" with the the raging tenacity (and maturity) of a gaggle of Adderall-chomping angry 12-year-old YouTube Aspergers twits, and the frothy-mouthed spastic verbal vitriol normally reserved for morally righteous hardcore Right-Wingers raving about the Evil Gay Agenda in the Fox News Forums. A second irony is that the MRA/MGTOW/PUA's intense hatred and primal animosity towards feminism and especially RadFems is really nothing more than an inverted mirror image of the most extreme RadFem opinions anyway.

Also, bonus irony: These people generally despise or at least disdain anyone who isn't straight/cis/male/conservative and usually white, some of them being blatantly racist and some being more subtly so. So, it's particularly ironic that their whole Red Pill (Conservative Alpha-Cock Reality) versus Blue Pill (Liberal Beta-Fag Delusion) philosophy is based on the Matrix, obviously - and was invented by a transgender person (Lana Wachowski).

Here are some of their shining pinnacles of sociocultural brilliance, for your viewing pleasure:

10 Reasons We Need Mandatory Classes in Stripping and Prostitution for All Girls

Why Society Owes Men Sex

How to Seduce a Lesbian as a Straight Man (And Not Just the Ugly Bull Dykes)

8 Essential Rules for Banging a Single Mom

Your Son is a Fucking Faggot

5 Reasons to Date a Girl with an Eating Disorder

(Jesus Christ, I was just searching for just a few of the more egregious examples, but there are so fucking many... The list just goes on and on and on...

Anyway, not to be outdone by the menz, the RadFems are a little bonkers too - here's an interesting piece that was written a little bit ago but then rescinded and deleted from its original (and equally insane) blog location, but was captured here on the fun but sometimes frightening site Fundies Say The Darndest Things:International Castration Day.

And one more injection of lunacy: PIV (Penis In Vagina sex) is Always Rape, OK?

I have to say, I really only discovered the dark, seedy, filthy corners of the internet commonly known as RadFem territory and MRA/PUA/MGTOW territory a year or so ago, and at first it really freaked me out that there are so many completely hate-driven, insane, backward-thinking sociopathic zealots out there who are actively connecting and congealing together like over-abundant smegma to form these revolting subcultures, these disturbing little festering wounds of pure emotionally-driven thinking and one-sided hate-logic.

After reading them for a long time (on both sides), my gaping, horrified, perplexed stare of disbelief at the mere thought that at least some of these articles are actually serious and not just calculated trolling for cheap publicity, I began to come to terms with the incredible social myopia and mind-numbing stupidity that some people out there just utterly embody, and began to realize that a lot of these people are either (A) young and angry and stupid, and looking for some sort of simple explanation for the way things work and willing to cling to one that advocates their personal interests - no matter how one-sided or hypocritical or delusional it is, and/or (B) speaking out of a place of emotional damage and desperation as some sort of intense psychological reactionary coping mechanism. Still, the bile they spew is sometimes very alarming - especially given the high number of positive and supporting comments and replies that some of the worst articles get.


What are your experiences with these fine paragons of ideology and shining bastions of philosophy?

Have you had the pleasure of being caught off-guard by one of these literary masterpieces of the moronic and, similar to watching a train-wreck unfold, found yourself unable to stop reading until the slimy words had violated your every mental and emotional orifice?

Do you have any particularly horrifying and/or comical articles to add?

 

I think 90% of people in those places are just trying to get a reaction out of others or playing an over the top characterization of their real feelings. The 10% are probably just nuts.

I started reading the one called "Your son is a fucking faggot" and got lost half way through, but dressing up your son as a girl is probably pretty nuts.

 

I've never come across this stuff before but a cursory glance tell me it falls in the "Life's too short to spend time on this stuff" category for me.
There are a lot of idiots out there. Don't let them get to you.

 

Yep. That's the most obvious thing I think you've ever posted, @strange famous. I cannot agree any more with that statement.

 

I dunno man, there are quite a few of these people, and in their various areas of interest they seem to have compiled very complex and structured belief systems. I'f you're not familiar with Poe's Law, it is basically "an observation that it's difficult, if not impossible, to distinguish between parodies of fundamentalism or other extreme views and their genuine proponents, since they both seem equally insane" (from one of my favorite snarky sites, RationaWiki.org). Given this, I'm sure a lot of them are either "deep-cover parodists" trying to make the various extremist groups look even crazier by writing ever more insane articles, but I think there are a fair number of actual nut-jobs that really genuinely espouse and buy into this kind of stuff. Young and impressionable minds looking for answers can often be swayed by strong, convincing dogma and personalities even if the subject matter is ludicrous.

 

There's a site we hunted the mammoth | the new misogyny, tracked and mocked that keeps track of the misogynist sites and does some really funny columns.
He's had death threats because of his site.
These guys take there little patch of crazy very seriously and I'm afraid in some ways it's not too far away from white supremacy.
We wonder why Republican candidates can say some of the stupid things they do about woman?
It's because they live in the bubble of these kinds of websites.

 

I don't read that crap, although I'll probably click on some of the links when I have the time.

The internet and the Information Age (I/IA) is wonderful in many ways. I remember having to physically go to the library and spending a lot of time to find a single book or article. I'm glad those days are over; well, mostly over, some research does still require physical effort. I/IA, for better or worse, does allow those people with strange views to express themselves and/or seek affirmation of their beliefs.

 

Are you guys kidding? This is the funniest stuff I've read in ages. It's liked Cracked.com except the guy with the neckbeard that wrote it didn't get paid for his witty submission.

 

I think it says something when every one of those sites is blocked by my employer.

 

From the comments:

I grew up strongly believing those last six words. I was embarrassed to be part of a gender that had perpetrated so much brutality and oppression. For many years, I avoided all-male environments, because (based on my experiences) these always featured abuse and humiliation for the weaker members, such as myself. I assumed that women ignored me because I deserved to be ignored. I avoided using the word "man" to refer to myself, and I detested the adjective "manly," which I saw as a euphemism for violent domination. I planned to move to some remote locale where I could grow all my own food, alone.

I think I have more nuanced views today. But I have a little empathy for the misguided folks who take on reductivist, simplistic views to explain the world of gender.

 

I know, right? I opened them in Tor because I was worried that my computer might be infected with enraged-and-lives-in-mom's-basement.

 

Ah yeah, good ole' Manboobz (I like the recent name-change) by David Futrelle, always good for a laugh (or a general sense of nausea depending on what he decides to dig into). Between his site, Fundies Say the Darnest Things/Racists Say the Darndest Things, and the What's Going on in the Clogosphere (the portion of the internet that's sort of like the Blogosphere but all clogged up with crazies and assholes) section of RationalWiki, you can find some of the most insane, raving, deluded, blatantly everything-phobic ideas and comments.

I know right!

Here's one of my all-time faves, which I found courtesy of Manboobz/We Hunted The Mammoth: Your Seed is Gold by infamous fat bald "pickup artist" LaidNYC, who blathers on and on about his his oozy gooey man-juice is the best thing in the world... Quote of crowning brilliance: "...my seed is liquid fucking gold and I don’t give it out like its god damn tap water," followed by:

"It is the Royal Essence and you better enjoy every last drop.
If it lands on your face, chest or back, consider it raindrops from heaven, a rope of Holy Yogurt.
If you are lucky enough to get it in your mouth, savor it like the nourishing nectar of the Gods.
If I shoot it inside you consider it the greatest compliment of all. You will feel an immediate buzz.
My jizz is to women what Walter White’s pure blue meth is to junkies.
You’ll take my seed, sweetly tell me “thank you sir” and buzz with happy feminine energy for the next day while you iron my fine shirts and indulge in memories of me."

Holy shit. Not sure whether to laugh or vomit.

And another gem by the very same brilliant romance aficionado: Don't Marry Any Woman Older Than 25 (because apparently they're all just old used-up hags with elephant-sized vaginas... Or something.) Choice quote: "A girl who refuses to get married young is offering a raw deal. She is vastly overvaluing her product, and undervaluing your time and money. Marriage only makes sense for a man when a girl’s prime years of beauty and fertility are upfront payment for a lifetime of loving masculine support."

Amazing.
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I'm always amazed by how many people show up in any thread on the murders or on rape culture with comments about how woman go psycho too and women rape too.
The percentages are radically different between the two and nobody is arguing that what they are saying isn't true.
But they seem to think that trumpeting the men's side, it somehow makes the the women's issues something less important.