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What items are worth the premium to pay for the name brand/high end stuff? What are not?

Discussion in 'General Discussions' started by Borla, Aug 13, 2011.

  1. Street Pattern

    Street Pattern Very Tilted

    Around 25 years ago, I remember seeing an article about this very topic.

    Apparently someone had done a study, and classified all consumer goods into three categories:

    (1) goods for which price and quality were positively correlated, that is, the higher the price, the higher the quality.

    (2) goods for which price and quality were uncorrelated, that is, the price of the good was unrelated to its quality.

    (3) goods for which price and quality were negatively correlated, that is the higher the price, the lower the quality, and vice versa.

    There was about an equal amount of stuff in the three groups.

    The first category contained a lot of durable goods like cars and cameras. The other two categories had a lot of consumable stuff like soaps and cosmetics.

    Of course, a lot has changed in 25 years, and I think consumers are more aware than they used to be.
     
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  2. Speed_Gibson

    Speed_Gibson Hacking the Gibson

    Location:
    Wolf 359
    My Canon FTb-QL is waiting for payment at the camera repair shop. Only cost me $60 for what was no doubt the first time it had been CLAed or otherwise serviced in 40 years. Chose to stick with this model over just buying an AE-1 or similar newer cousin for the simple fact the FTb only needs a working battery for the light meter, rather than turn into a useless brick without one.
     
  3. Leto

    Leto Slightly Tilted

    Location:
    Toronto
    speaking of boots, - and winter boots, I say Sorel. I bought a pair (rubber bottoms, leather uppers fully insulated, in Dec 1982. I'm still using them, especially last weekend to deal with the slushy heavy icy snow that fell with our mini ice storm.
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    kinda like this:

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  4. Plan9

    Plan9 Rock 'n Roll

    Location:
    Earth
    Two things immediately come to mind:

    1. Never pay for dating sites.
    2. Always pay for OEM pistol magazines.
     
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  5. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

    Location:
    Baltimore/DC
    Namebrand:
    Toilet paper (I hate businesses that skimp on the paper)
    Dress shoes
    Dress shirts
    Suits (but these don't have to be "designer", it's the cut that counts)
    Beer, wine and liquor (but fortunately, I don't drink much)
    Bread (I just can't do basic anymore)
    Ketchup, Heinz
    Cheese (cheap is blech)
    Coffee (I love whole beans from Trader Joe's...hell, some bad brands that actually mess with my body/mind)
    Lawn equipment (hard enough to get me out there for chores, they better work)
    Dog Food (come on, they're your kids...spend a bit on them $60/big bag is not bad for 2 beagles per month)
    Razors (but I know how to make them last months)
    Gas (cheap gas from basic vendors is crap, talk about knocks)
    Cars (I love them new, trend to Toyota or Nissan
    ...I know, I know depreciation. Screw that, I want it only mine alone...and I run them forever)
    Electronics...except computer systems, I build those. Certain parts are name brands.
    AMD (better bang for buck), Radeon (better for media), etc...
    Although if it's a laptop, I like Toshiba. Kinda of hard to build laptops.
    Many vendors slam systems together, glut down the OS.
    I prefer to have a clean build, clean install, minimalist config.

    However, I tend to be a slow adapter, not cutting edge.
    So by the time I get to it, the kinks have rubbed out.
    Then I focus on compatibility, the good name brand should have most standards.

    Generic:
    Most OTC drugs and some pharma. Especially at CostCo (damn, those prices are good)
    Cereal
    Meats from CostCo (inexpensive, decent...and freeze the extra for later)
    Fruits & veggies, again from CostCo

    Basically, if it makes me cringe...I'm paying too much.
    I've learned from trial & error, which you can get away with.
     
  6. snowy

    snowy so kawaii Staff Member

    You do realize Trader Joes is considered a store brand, right? They operate in a similar manner to Costco with the Kirkland brand.

    And I'm in love with the Kirkland ultra plush tp. Cheaper than Charmin, but nicer, I think.
     
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  7. Fangirl

    Fangirl Very Tilted

    Location:
    Arizona
    Love Kirkland but they are sneaky. They will stock a new yummy or awesome product for maybe 3 months or so. Then you go to purchase it again and *poof* it's nowhere to be found. Sometimes, 6 months later, it will show up again. Sometimes, it never shows up again under the name brand. Costco buys it and sells it under their own Kirkland brand name. Consumer win!
     
  8. snowy

    snowy so kawaii Staff Member

    Part of it is supply. If the supply doesn't meet their standards, they won't make/buy the product. Other products are seasonal--like their good olive oil. They usually stock an alternative during the months their olive oil is off the shelves.
     
  9. Stan

    Stan Resident Dumbass

    Location:
    Colorado
    Now you tell me, I just tossed all of my 8 yr old Smartwool sock for new ones. 15 pairs, all grey and the same. No more 5am sock matching for me. Remind me about REI in 8 years, OK?

    I'd probably expand this to most sporting goods. There are sports that I am causual about and ones that I am not. I have a softball and bat, I own a bicycle, too. All are mid-level, on-sale stuff that works just fine for me. Skiing is different. My gear is top of the line. When you are on top of a mountain and it's -20° and blowing snow,
    my $200 goggles and "we're not going to talk about it" Gore-Tex shell are worth what I paid. When you find yourself in a "turn or die" situation, having skis, boots, and bindings that you trust are worth what they cost. It's also my experience that high end stuff lasts forever. Nothing says "local" in Colorado like North Face or Marmot with duct tape.

    The same applies to motorcycles. I don't try to save money on tires. When you are in the habit of doing 50 around 20 mph corners, cheap tires wouldn't seem to be a good idea. Helmets and jackets don't necessarily get safer as the price goes up; but they do get more comfortable. My helmet uses carbon/kevlar to reduce weight, has a very nice wicking liner, and is superbly vented. Helmets and jackets only protect me if I wear them and comfort has a lot to do with that.
     
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  10. snowy

    snowy so kawaii Staff Member

    I got really lucky with my skis. I picked up a brand-new pair of K2 Schi Devils complete with 3-pin bindings at a ski swap. Someone had probably taken them out once and decided they didn't like telemarking. Same with my boots--pair of Garmonts, tags still on. Paid about $150 for both. The only thing I paid anything approaching full price for was my skins, which my husband found on sale at Backcountry. I need to find a helmet. I'm sitting out ski season this year despite having ample time just because I don't have health insurance. My goal at next year's ski swap is to pick up an XC combo pack. Seems like I have more opportunity to go XCing than other kinds of skiing since that's what the family likes.
     
  11. snowy

    snowy so kawaii Staff Member

    Recent experience with a runny nose has also taught me that their facial tissue (kleenex) is just as good as regular Kleenex or Puffs. I've had to blow my nose this week everywhere from a public high school to my regular work, and man, these tissues are so much softer than institutional tissues, and just as soft as the name brand. I think there is really no noticeable difference between the Kirkland tissue and the name brand.
     
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  12. Fangirl

    Fangirl Very Tilted

    Location:
    Arizona
    I have 'insider info' about the entire process of how, say, a product like you've described or even Jellie Bellies become Kirkland brand. You are 100% correct. The packaging differs. The contents are the same. :)
     
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  13. Indigo Kid

    Indigo Kid Getting Tilted

    And life is too short for cheap Wine :)
     
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  14. snowy

    snowy so kawaii Staff Member

    Life is too short to drink Franzia or Carlo Rossi, you mean.


    There's a spot where taste and value intersect. In my wine region, that seems to be at about the $20 mark for pinot noir. Paying over $30 for pinot is absurd to me; at some point, you're paying for the cachet of the name and the marketing.

    One of my favorite pinots can be had at Costco for $17. It's a local winery, too.

    Additionally, there are a lot of good $10 Cotes du Rhone out there in the world.

    And sometimes, that $3 bottle of Charles Shaw hits the spot. The drunk spot.
     
  15. Chris Noyb

    Chris Noyb Get in, buckle up, hang on, & be quiet.

    Location:
    Large City, TX
    We buy many items that are "store brand" and "off brand." In many cases the product is identical to the "name brand" because it is manufactored/made by the same company.

    I won't attempt to list the numerous store/off brand items that we find to be just the same, or at least acceptably very close to, the name brand items. In general, I'll give Private Selections brand at Kroger, and the Equate brand OTC meds at Wal-Mart, positive recommendations.

    What I can say is the old expression "It pays to shop around." became an old expression for a very good reason. Some store/off brand items suck, period. Some are not good buys if you pay attention to the sales and use coupons. Sometimes the packaging is misleading. Be sure to save your receipts, and don't be afraid to return the crappy items. I've never had a store question why I was returning a store brand item (keep in mind I'm not one of those dishonest people who try to return nearly used-up items).

    We have a Sam's Club membership for which we pay. I'm not proud of supporting Wal-Mart Corp, but there are enough good buys (again....repeat....with careful shopping) to make the paid membership worh having.
     
  16. CinnamonGirl

    CinnamonGirl The Cheat is GROUNDED!

    Oh, hey, forgot about this.

    I still think it's totally worth it to drop some serious money on running shoes. Since this post, I've become a huge fan of Brooks. Still use my Asics for aerobics and walking, though :)
     
  17. Stan

    Stan Resident Dumbass

    Location:
    Colorado
    My BMW motorcycle might be worth what I paid for it. I ridiculed the heated seat & grips; but a year later, I use them all the time. The dealer might be an asshole; I wouldn't know, haven't needed him in 2 years. Beemers have a repution for being devoid of personality, I'm growing pretty fond of having everything work and work well.
     
  18. Street Pattern

    Street Pattern Very Tilted

    Tropicana orange juice is enormously better than typical off-brand orange juice.

    There may be options for equivalent quality at a lower price, but it's simpler to just buy Tropicana.
     
  19. Fangirl

    Fangirl Very Tilted

    Location:
    Arizona
    I don't run BUT I'd like to expand your statement with which I totally agree: it is totally worth it to drop serious money on good walking shoes.
    You young folks that run will be glad when your knees are starting to complain that you took good care of them with the right equipment. :)
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    Simpler, if money is no object, I agree. I have more money now than I did a couple of decades ago but I learned to be a budget shopper. That meant and still means I shop for value and quality.
    I agree though there are certain items like your example of Tropicana, which one just cannot seem to find duplicated. Maybe they won't sell the patent?
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    I agree and I trust your judgment.
    I also respect that not everyone is gonna agree and that's OK, too. Meanwhile, I take copious notes on just about every comment you make in re: anything I can imbibe or ingest. ;)
     
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  20. Street Pattern

    Street Pattern Very Tilted

    When I shop for food, I have the instincts of a poor man. For example, I am gleeful to see a dented-and-discontinued table, stacked with items on huge markdowns. I am reluctant to pay full retail for anything. I have to remind myself that an extra 49 cents on a jar of marmalade barely registers at my income level.
    A patent lasts just 17 years. In the case of Tropicana, I think it's just a matter of getting good quality fruit, moving it quickly and treating it right. That costs a lot more than just reconstituting juice from five-year-old frozen concentrate of overripe bottom-quality oranges, and adding chemicals to cover up the stuff that tastes bad.

    Anyone could do what Tropicana does (and continues to do, to uphold its reputation), but they don't, because cutting corners is so much cheaper.
     
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