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Politics Obama - Actually doing a good job?

Discussion in 'Tilted Philosophy, Politics, and Economics' started by rogue49, Mar 10, 2012.

  1. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

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    and this pretty much sums it up...
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    Everything is relative, I guess... ;)
     
  2. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

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  3. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

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  4. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

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    Actually, it's not them I was worried about as much as the people they'd have under them.
    They picked very poor VP choices, especially McCain.
    And in hindsight and supposition, McCain may have had us involved with God-knows military actions, from his following years' statements/opinion.

    That's something people forget to consider when voting for prez.
    Not just the person, but who they may bring in...often that's who makes the mess and rotten law/policy; not the leader themselves.

    Obama's choices haven't been too bad so far...although I feel for a couple of them, how they'd taken the serious heat again and again.
    It's difficult to judge, because you don't know how much is them...and how much is from the event or coming from above.
    But when they do badly or idiotic, THAT is when you notice them.
    Also, many are not all bad/good...some do stupid things, then in the long-run you find out they actually did good. (and vice versa)
     
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  5. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

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    So Obama gets to show his resolve in the Ukraine situation.
    People are still trying to determine his MO.
    And as far as I can see...there is no strict MO, but what's best for the scene, resources and for the nation overall...a very pragmatic leader.
    Although, not fully aggressive...but I don't want that anyway.

    Posted is the beginning of the article, linked are all the following opinion and theories. - Link
    What do you think?

     
  6. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

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    Oh yeah, dealing with the media...that's one more instigator to this fiasco.
    No wonder Presidents go grey fast... :rolleyes:


    BTW...are there any other historical crises that we're going to have to make Obama retred???
    The Great Depression
    Pirates in Africa
    The Cold War
    Korea

    Let's try to avoid the Cuban Missile Crisis and the Civil War please... :eek:
     
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  7. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

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    I get the impression that people still believe in "Leader of the Free World."
     
  8. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

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    Pretty much says it all...then again, I could say it for other Presidents too. :rolleyes:

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  9. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

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    Nuff said... :rolleyes:
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    Ok, I lied...one more...
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    It's just too easy...
     
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  10. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

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    This is interesting.
    And I wonder how Obama's techniques are working for him within the current international crisis too?
    I'm sure there are both Strengths & Weaknesses about it. (pundit opinions not withstanding. :rolleyes:)

    Personally, I'd be wary of Carter's input too.
    He can be in his own ideology and agenda at times...often a mixed bag of tricks.
    His focus, is not everyone else's focus. He's more of a idealist.

    I'd see Obama calling up Clinton more often, he was a bit more on the same page values-wise,
    Politically astute and also understanding of Realpolitik without being fully ruthless.

     
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  11. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

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    I don't know if this is "a bid" as connecting with another world leader.
    From what I've seen, Obama's movements tend to be more sincere than Machiavellian.
    At least, that's what I've noted from my experience.

    Besides, most presidents meet with the Pope sooner or later, this one is a new one.
    You could say that the Pope is hoping to leverage the leader of the world's most powerful nation.
    But I don't see that in this Pope's personality either.

    Why can't people just leave it at a normal level?? :rolleyes:

     
  12. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

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    Why do I think the public are like bad managers...who look at you working your ass off...and say, "What have you done for me lately??"

    This likely applies to any president, not just Obama, who's in at the moment.
    And it is the public at large (both voter & non-voter).

    They want what they want when they want it.
    And they blame whomever is at the top.

    They don't care about last week.
    They don't care what limits you have.
    They don't care what you've done before.

    Just fix it. Just make it happen. How could you let this happen in the first place? ...etc and so on.
    Every bad manager cliche in the book, spout out in the polls and media.

    No wonder presidents go gray so quick. :rolleyes:
    I wouldn't want to be president...who needs that shit?

    And the public complains...yet they are the ones voting them in.
    A bunch of brats having a hissy fit they aren't getting what they want...but they don't know what they want.
    But they know you aren't giving it.

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  13. ASU2003

    ASU2003 Very Tilted

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    It will be interesting to see if the Pope comes to the US later this year. The Right Wing in the US just wants to harp on the sexual issues and are doing a good job dividing the country and reducing the numbers of church-goers. But, it will be interesting to see if the Pope can help move the conservatives on the other social issues. Poverty, immigration, environmental...
     
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  14. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

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    These are the things that define a presidency...just like GWB's was by 9/11 and the start of the Great Recession.
    Obama's has been
    weathering the Afghanistan war.
    weathering the long emergence from the Great Recession
    weathering the hostile opposition in the GOP
    weathering the implementation of the ACA
    weathering now the Russians

    There is good and bad for all of it...but he likely needs more weather stripping by now. :rolleyes:
     
  15. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

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    Yep, pretty much says it all.
    Unfortunately, the other side does it also, when places are switched. *sigh* :rolleyes:

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  16. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

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    If Obama is smart, he's put out a "Get out the Vote" marketing campaign.
    Not for any particular party...just overall.
    That's how he can get away with funding it.

    But the more people who vote, the trend is in the Dems favor.
    That's why the GOP is favored, because they tend to vote more than Dems in mid-term elections.

    But I doubt it will happen, the Obama administration is poor at marketing.
    If they were good at it, then they would have done better advertising on the ACA before the initial fiasco.

    But at least his disapproval ratings are fading a bit.
    I'm surprised that Rasmussen polling gave him a +1 lately, they tend to poll down for him. (maybe 538's call-out got to them finally)
     
  17. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

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    Nuff Said. :rolleyes:
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  18. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

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    Ok, I don't know if you like his politics or policy...but you got to admit he's got a good wit. (or at least good timing)

    Yep, I'll agree with the consensus...the last was the best.
    Damn, that's to the point...
     
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  19. Aceventura

    Aceventura Slightly Tilted

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    The Federal Reserve likes him to the toon of about an expected $5 trillion dollars by the end of the year. The Fed is pumping money into the economy and artificially keeping interest rates low, subsidizing the US national debt and deficit. There is going to be a day of reckoning? I bet Obama will be long gone and it will be someoneelse's problem. What a guy!

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    Fed Balance Sheet Clearly Over $4 Trillion - 24/7 Wall St.
     
  20. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

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    Then you need to bitch out Congress because they're the ones that spent the money before.
    Then bitch out the corporate structure, because they're the ones that needs their asses saved.

    The prez can only spend what he has control of...including wars. (any president...including ones that do NOT put items on the balance sheet.)

    I'm still waiting on Congress to stop spending where it isn't wanted. (ex. Army Tanks, Subsidies, etc)

    AND There is a big difference between the budget deficit...and the debt.

    Let's get our topics straight.
     
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