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A research team is on the verge of a revolutionary breakthrough in stem cell research (updated)

Discussion in 'General Discussions' started by MSD, Jan 2, 2013.

  1. MSD

    MSD Very Tilted

    Location:
    CT
    I've been sitting on this one for a while. I'm not under any NDA or any binding contract. I was at a conference where Dr. Vacanti presented the research mentioned below along with a large amount of evidence that he has done what he claims to have done. He asked me to delete everything he presented that day and I did. I consider it a gentleman's agreement, and Dr. Vacanti was the commensurate gentleman, in speaking and working with me at this conference. As such, I reserve the right to remove this thread from public view if it turns out to be a problem. I have very limited notes on his presentation (I should mention that I have no formal education in biology past introductory courses,) but what I saw presented was mind-blowing, to say the least. The scientific research is currently in peer review.

    With this article published, I feel comfortable sharing what I know with The TFP. Here is the article I'm referring to.

    Anesthesiology News - Tissue-Engineering Anesthesiologist Redefines Stem Cells

    What I saw presented was "simple" at its core.

    -Adult cells were treated to co-express GFP (Gene Fluorescence Protein) with OCT4, a stem cell marker gene..
    -These cells did not express GPF and therefore were not expressing OCT4.
    -Cells were exposed to "chemical and physical stimuli" (I'm sure the patents and journal publications will specify exactly what was done.) No gene manipulation or gene insertion was involved. I don't remember his exact words, but to paraphrase: he always thought this was possible, and now he believes he has evidence.
    -CD45 expression ceased in treated cells.
    -Stem cell genes were activated.
    -GFP was expressed (there were a bunch of graphs to show this, I'm sure they will be published with the paper on this.

    Once the audience was hanging on his every word, he dropped the big reveal:

    (Mouse) cells reverted to this embryonic-like state were implanted in prepared (mouse) uteri, and produced viable embryos at the E9.5 stage (9 and a half days of gestation); Apparently, 6 days of embryonic development is a threshold that's difficult to pass.


    I realize that this will have a very limited audience, but It's a huge development in bio-technology and I'm enthusiastic to hear that it's in peer-review. (even though I don't know which journal.) The biggest consequence of this is that it will sidestep the ethical issue that conservative and pro-life individuals have with embryonic stem cell research. I'm sure that the idea that these induced pluripotent cells can produce viable embryos will raise the same red flags for some, but I suspect that the vast majority will acquiesce to it ... at least until some unscrupulous groups take it farther than intended and attempt to use it for human cloning.
     
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  2. Most of the details are way over my head except for the concept. I sure hope he is right. We're about due for a major medical breakthrough. This would be a good one.
     
  3. Taliesin

    Taliesin Slightly Tilted

    Location:
    Western Australia
    Wow. Like Craven, it's mostly over my head.
    But it does sound promising.

    Can you post any future updates that you hear about?
     
  4. Fremen

    Fremen Allright, who stole my mustache?

    Location:
    E. Texas
    *thumbs-up, would gloss over again*

    I just hope the politicians and religious nuts don't ruin any breakthroughs.
     
  5. snowy

    snowy so kawaii Staff Member

    That is seriously amazing. This is huge. I can't wait to see where this research takes us.
     
  6. MSD

    MSD Very Tilted

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  7. mixedmedia

    mixedmedia ...

    Location:
    Florida
    That's pretty fascinating and exciting. We've been stuck at this roadblock for a long time.

    And I'm pretty sure there will be plenty of religious nuts objecting to this based on the theory of 'playing god.'
     
  8. GeneticShift

    GeneticShift Show me your everything is okay face.

    This is awesome. I've been following Dr. Vacanti and his work for a little while, and these articles are insane. I'm maintaining my slight skepticism, as I am supposed to, until I read the full article and see more reproducible results.

    I really wish I could have been at that talk.
     
  9. MSD

    MSD Very Tilted

    Location:
    CT
    I'm a bit late updating the thread, but it's been published. PM me if you're interested in seeing the presentation I originally saw, it's available to the public for free, I just don't want to bombard them with referrals from TFP.
    Acid bath offers easy path to stem cells : Nature News & Comment
    The papers cited (PM me if you don't have access and really want to read them for yourself, I'll see what I can do.)
    http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v505/n7485/full/nature12968.html
    http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v505/n7485/full/nature12969.html

    But wait, there's more! (spoiler: it works with human cells)
    Extraordinary stem cell method tested in human tissue - health - 05 February 2014 - New Scientist
    Give it a year or two for submittal, peer review, and replication, but as far as I'm concerned, the debate over embryonic stem cells is over; we're about to see a shitstorm reignite over cloning.
     
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  10. PonyPotato

    PonyPotato Very Tilted

    Location:
    Columbus, OH
    It does sound very interesting - I'm curious about whether human cells revert to stem cells naturally at all (within the body) when exposed to extreme stresses. It sounds like a great way for the body to respond and repair in times of stress.

    It would be awesome if this concept could apply to the central nervous system. As of right now, most CNS damage becomes irreparable because of scarring. If stem cells could not only prevent scarring but assist in healing, and cells could be induced to change into them locally.. wow. This could be really awesome stuff!
     
  11. MSD

    MSD Very Tilted

    Location:
    CT
    Funny you should mention that ...
    NSFW for surgical gore, but here's a screenshot of one of his slides showing a section of a lab rat's spine surgically removed
    http://i.imgur.com/2HnKCQz.png

    There was a post-treatment/recovery video of the rat walking on a treadmill as if it was completely unaware that it should have been paralyzed for life.
     
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  12. PonyPotato

    PonyPotato Very Tilted

    Location:
    Columbus, OH

    A rat walking on a treadmill doesn't necessarily mean that the spinal cord recovered fully - there are central pattern generators in the lower section of the spinal cord that controls the rear legs and they can have a stepping response in response to muscle stretch, not with any message from the brain or higher portions of the spinal cord.

    Here's a video of a decerebrate cat (transected spinal cord) exhibiting gait on a treadmill:
    View: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPiLLplofYw
     
  13. MSD

    MSD Very Tilted

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    I sent you a link to the presentation I saw, like I said it's available online but I don't want to hammer them with referrer links from TFP. There's more than just the stem cell thing, you can see view the whole conference in addition to Vacanti's presentation.
    If anyone wants to see it, send me a PM (Xenforo calls it "Start a conversation") and I'll give you the link.
     
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  14. MSD

    MSD Very Tilted

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  15. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

    Location:
    Baltimore/DC
    Yeah, the problem is when others start trying to duplicate your efforts.
    Much less the conservative and political nature of many health boards and agencies.

    I hope they are able to turn things around.

    Shit, the things you have to do to get stuff approved.
    I worked briefly at firms that specialized getting drugs and techniques through the FDA. (back in La Jolla and San Diego)
    The amount of studies, investigation and research is profound.

    Then again, I understand it too...because the damage to people could be significant.
    Much less any ethics politics.
     
  16. OtherSyde

    OtherSyde Slightly Tilted

    Location:
    San Diego, CA
    I love science. BTW, when the HELL are they going to get this RISUG thing available? I SO want. :cool:
     
  17. genuinemommy

    genuinemommy Moderator Staff Member

  18. hamsterball

    hamsterball Seeking New Outlets