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Politics The Elephant in the room...The GOP today

Discussion in 'Tilted Philosophy, Politics, and Economics' started by rogue49, Aug 28, 2012.

  1. Tully Mars

    Tully Mars Very Tilted

    Location:
    Yucatan, Mexico
    The modern GOP is full of professional victims. They're victims of reverse racism and wars on countless things like Christmas, family values, regilous percussion, the homosexual agenda etc... It's a amazing they manage to maintain being the "real" Americans so well.
     
  2. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

    Location:
    Baltimore/DC
    Yes, but that's not why I said it...but it was to note no one is guaranteed in a duel.
    What a waste.

    See, if you're dead, not only can you not run for office...but getting that basic job is kind of hard too.
    Well, they can use you...but you won't appreciate the income.

    I would have much preferred a boxing match...at least that should last longer...and people are alive at the end.

    Actually, that might be kind of nice instead of the BS we've been seeing up on the hill lately...
     
  3. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

    Location:
    Baltimore/DC
    Why is the GOP surprised that Obama is threatening to veto fracking, energy leasing and other GOP bills???

    After they block 3 nominations, and refuse to bring items like immigration to the floor...

    It's like someone being shocked being hit after sucker punching that person.

    Actually, I can't say "sucker punch"...it's not like Obama can be surprised anymore by their antics.
     
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  4. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

    Location:
    Baltimore/DC
    As a followup to what I said before.

    And this basically comes down to what I feel.
    I'm in the middle of the road politically...not really "for" any side.

    However, the reason I scream about the GOP, is not their philosophy,
    but their tone, tactics...and lack of practical ideas.

    Basically, it's a my way or the highway attitude. All attack.
    And they fight dirty...the tone is just abysmal.

    I want to debate politics as a civilized discourse...not a WWF grudge match in the mud.

    And if you want your ideas put in place, then you may have to work with others.

    The government represents all sides, not just one.

    But perhaps it's not just me they are turning-off...perhaps it's a expanding larger audience
    and their fans are loud, but getting more isolated and smaller.

    Not the way to run a successful political party.
     
  5. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

    Location:
    Toronto
    I just can't wait for the next GOP government. It'll be way better than the last one.
     
  6. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

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    Baltimore/DC
    [​IMG]

    Studies prove it... - Link
    Only, what are Independents like?? Balanced? I don't think so.
     
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  7. Aceventura

    Aceventura Slightly Tilted

    Location:
    North Carolina
    Trudeau is almost correct. What he is really trying to say is that liberals tend not to have real conviction. Hence we get the Occupy Wall St. Movement with people protesting Wall St. while sleeping in LL Bean tents, drinking Starbucks Coffee, playing games on their Apple phones with service from Verizon.

    On a side note Trudeau has really lost his edge. Is it because we have a liberals in control of Washington and therefore good political satire involving liberals is off limits?
     
  8. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

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    Baltimore/DC
    Yes...and many comedians have said this.
    But you also have to admit, some conservatives make it really easy for them.
     
  9. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

    Location:
    Baltimore/DC
    Well, this is pretty blunt.
    Do you agree with it?
    It comes from an "independent" media outlet. (as far as that goes, these days)

    They're certainly pushing the envelope with every tactic and leverage I can think of. (ex. going to the Supreme Court to protest off-season Obama placements)
    But it's a sign they're not on the right track, if House Speaker John Boehner is announcing "sensitivity training" for GOP members on competing with females. :rolleyes:

     
  10. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

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    Baltimore/DC
    And to add to the woes...a big battle is shaping up for the next primaries.
    Civil War in the GOP.
    Should the Dems just sit back on watch? (with their finger near "record" just in case, for future fodder)

    Frankly, I hope the establishment GOP wins...but they aren't loved by their opponents and they aren't loved by the new grass-roots base...
    just by the conservative powers that be. (Wall Street, Commerce, etc...)

     
  11. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

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    Baltimore/DC
    [​IMG]

    Too good to pass up. :rolleyes:
     
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  12. redux

    redux Very Tilted

    Location:
    Foggy Bottom
    Poor Paul Ryan, torn between Ayn Rand as his childhood idol and his Catholic upbringing requiring a bit more compassion. He downplayed the Pope's recent proclamation as a lack of understanding of capitalism because he (the Pope) is from Argentina,where true capitalism was never in play.

    So I'm guessing he stands by his compassionate conservatism based on the myth of lazy government sucking parasites.
    "But we don't want to turn the safety net into a hammock that lulls able-bodied people to lives of dependency and complacency, that drains them of their will and their incentive to make the most of their lives.."
     
  13. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

    Location:
    Toronto
    That wasn't Paul Krugman, but he may have quoted it.
     
  14. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

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    Baltimore/DC
    Everyone dies...everything fades away sooner or later.

    The question is...who are you representing then??
    Dead can't vote...much less donate.

    Do you have a winning team and game plan?
    Ideals only get you so far. (ask the greens...)

     
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  15. ASU2003

    ASU2003 Very Tilted

    Location:
    Where ever I roam
    That article pretty much sums up the entire problem of campaign finance reform and the Citizens United decision. Rich people shouldn't have that much influence over politics and getting their agenda implemented.
     
  16. Street Pattern

    Street Pattern Very Tilted

    It's not as simple as that.

    First of all, the independent power of money in electoral politics is tremendously overrated. And TV commercials have little impact on the average voter's behavior.

    Remember the 2012 election? Unleashed by Citizens United, wealthy conservatives spent an unprecedented amount of money to change the outcome. It won them essentially nothing.

    When both sides in an electoral battle have a certain threshold amount of resources, additional money added on one side makes very little difference. Shoestring campaigns beat well-funded campaigns all the time.

    Moreover, the more money a political campaign has, the higher percentage of its spending is wasted. A well-funded campaign buys very nice offices, lots of paid staff to populate them, lots of catered food, lots of consultants, lots of useless polls, etc., etc., etc., none of which have much, if any, impact on the outcome.

    The real problem with large campaign contributions from interest groups is the way that it affects the candidates, and ultimately, the officeholders.

    Even if the outcome is not in much doubt, every candidate is eager to get as much money as possible. A well-funded campaign is more fun than a shoestring campaign. The donors who make that kind of campaign possible are contributing hugely to the politician's comfort and happiness, and hence, bending him (or her) to their will.
     
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  17. Aceventura

    Aceventura Slightly Tilted

    Location:
    North Carolina
    Chis Christie is a classic bully, it is good that it is coming to light before Presidential election season. I never thought his style would play outside of the NE. His tap dancing is an embarrassment, he should resign as governor.
     
  18. Street Pattern

    Street Pattern Very Tilted

    More to the point, he's a hothead. Not good presidential temperament.
     
  19. ASU2003

    ASU2003 Very Tilted

    Location:
    Where ever I roam
    I don't get why people care about this little traffic incident over all of the other policies that would screw over people for the Right to prove that they had the better plan all along. Even if it meant hurting people or costing them a lot of money.

    Sure, it makes him look bad and vindictive, but the people on the Tea Party side of the Republican party didn't want to have to compete with him in 2016, so they are going to be pushing this too.

    I think there are plenty of other reasons to not vote for him, this is almost something I would expect from New England/Chicago style politics.
     
  20. For the same reason that folks cared more about a blowjob from an intern than a lie that killed hundreds of thousands of people, and continues to kill.
     
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