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Discussion in 'Tilted Philosophy, Politics, and Economics' started by pan6467, Apr 23, 2012.

  1. redux

    redux Very Tilted

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    The $628 billion in the chart is DoD spending; most is personnel (uniform and civilian) and weapons; some small percentage is military aid (sale of weapons) to "friendly" govts and a smaller percentage is humanitarian (eg the current US military support in response in the Philippines.

    Foreign aid is primarily out of the Dept of State budget.
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  2. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

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    I'm referring to the idea that American forces are used around the world in lieu of other national forces.

    For example, if the U.S. cut the military budget in half, would Canada have to increase its spending to make up for security issues? Now think of nations overseas who are in proximity to American forces stationed abroad.


    United States military deployments - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
     
  3. redux

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    Our current deployments are primarily Cold War leftovers and anti-terrorism (primarily Afghanistan and Iraq, to a lesser extent). Downsizing is long overdue.

    And we can sell you some drones...slightly used :eek:
     
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  4. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

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    I actually wonder that...how much more would other nations need to spend, if the US stopped many of it's deployments.
    And started cutting down and minimizing it's budget to only self-defense...some projection of power.
    Examples...Germany, Italy, Japan, etc...

    We act as if we're going to fight WWII still...and that's just not going to happen...not with all the nukes the US has.
    Nor is it likely MOST countries are going to have to fight like that anymore. Not on that scale.
    The last country to try to take over another...was Iraq to Kuwait.
    They were the 3rd largest army in the world...and they got smashed in relatively no time.

    Mostly any country will do it insurgence...or terrorists...or ad-hoc dynamic much smaller conflicts.
    Even the Iraq war and the Afghanistan war combined wasn't on the scale of WWII.

    So if the US scaled back...would other nations scale up to compensate??
    That would burden their budgets quite a bit more.
     
  5. redux

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    Conservatives will not be happy with the "socialist" Pope

     
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  6. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

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    It's nice to know that the NSA isn't stopped by national borders. I wonder where else they're operating.

    It must be the Tim Hortons that brought them here.

    Ottawa allowed U.S. to spy on G20 summit in Toronto, Snowden leak reveals - The Globe and Mail

    In case you don't know (or remember), the G20 summit here in Toronto was a civil liberties fiasco. It resulted in the kettling of protestors and many law enforcement officers overstepping boundaries. All of this was (and is) essentially condoned by the Prime Minster. (And this isn't even getting into the ridiculous expenditures.)
     
  7. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

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    Well, @Baraka_Guru if you must know...I was just reading that the NSA is tracking porn and adult material viewing habits and patterns.
    To potentially leverage the knowledge of it to provoke releasing of info of interest and cooperation.
    It's an actual act empowering the NSA.
    Of course, only for "persons of interest" in the war on terrorism. :rolleyes:


    I'm not a terrorist, but if they ever find the need to review mine, I hope they like my tastes. ;)
     
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  8. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

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    That's really funny.

    It's funny because far too many seem to think that gun control is the problem with government regarding freedom.

    For decades now, the way government operates (especially in the U.S.), having a gun won't protect you. (Nor will having a dozen.)
     
  9. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

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    Companies are NOT people, period.

    And if the current Supreme Court strikes another imbalance, we are up shit's creek.

    BTW...on the same note, money from corporations is not "free speech"

    Hey, I'm a full-on capitalist who loves seeing the engine work...and even I think this is a VERY slippery slope.

     
  10. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

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    What the fuck?

    No seriously: What the fuck is this?

    If that goes forward, it seems to me a step towards further plutocracy tempered with theocracy. In other words: authoritarianism in its anti-pluralism/diversity, emotion (belief) over reason, constraints on the wider public, and a vague definition of the sources of power (political vs. corporate vs. religious).

    If corporations were people, most of them would be psychopaths. The last thing you want to do is give them more power as persons.
     
  11. Charlatan

    Charlatan sous les pavés, la plage

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    Frankly, I don't see why churches and religious institutions are exempt either.

    The funding goes to health care. The employer, regardless of who it is, should have no say in your health care choices. This shouldn't even be up for discussion.
     
  12. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

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  13. Aceventura

    Aceventura Slightly Tilted

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    Here is the answer - those who dislike Walmart, start a competing company and kick Walmart's ass. Pay people whatever you want. I bet if a competitor opened stores next to every Walmart and offered to pay double what Walmart pays all Walmart employees would leave for greater pay! It won't happen because like the video suggests, protestors and unions don't know anything about running a business.
     
  14. redux

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    A Costco at every corner?

    Walmart Pays Workers Poorly And Sinks While Costco Pays Workers Well And Sails-Proof That You Get What You Pay For - Forbes

    So why are you so adamant in supporting the Walmart model that goes into a market with few employment opportunities for those most in need of a decent paying job and sucks the life out of these folks with low wages and shady employment practices that have resulted in $hundreds of millions in fines (and court awards to aggrieved employees) that the company can evidently absorb? Is that really representative of good business practices?
     
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  15. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

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    I was thinking the same thing. There are several reasons why people protest at Walmart and it isn't simply about the pay (though that is a big part of it).

    The point, though, was the extremely ridiculous propaganda of that video.
     
  16. redux

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  17. Aceventura

    Aceventura Slightly Tilted

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    I would assume then that every protestor of Walmart shops at Costco. People who want to earn more money can work at Costco. why not leave Walmart, its employees, its customers alone?

    I started shopping at Walmart about 4/5 years ago. One thing I observed about Walmart employees is that they seem to be people who would not be employed in many other places - at one extreme we have Abecrombie and Fitch who openly will only hire a certain type - Walmart people need not even walk in the door - and to a lesser degree many of the mid and upscale retailers are the same way. I am happy the senior greeter says hello to me as I walk in, and I don't care if the checkout line goes a little slower because the cashier isn't the fastest or needs help on occasion. I love the fact that they have low prices with no gimmicks and conditions for young families....etc., etc., etc. I now own stock in the company and I am proud of that. I worked at McDonald's as a student, same is true with them...they provide opportunity, provided good goods and services at low prices.

    I am very familiar with urban settings with rat and roach infested stores and restaurants - charging high prices for low quality. And taking the money out of the community. to this day I know people in Chicago who have to travel 30 minutes or more to get to a good grocery store...75% young black male unemployment while the city won't let Walmart in!!! It is truly sad, that city leaders, talk about looking out for the poor, but simply don't give a damn. If they did conditions would improve.
     
  18. redux

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    Right, Ace.

    The solution to high unemployment in inner cities is to flood those areas with minimum wage jobs and highly questionable working conditions (based on the numerous fines) so that all this new found "disposal" income can be spent at Walmart so they can hire more folks at minimum wage and questionable working conditions.

    And, dont forget to take away their SNAP benefits at the same time!
     
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  19. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

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    People who want a better country can move to Canada. Why not leave Obama, progressives, and the Democrats alone?
     
  20. Street Pattern

    Street Pattern Very Tilted

    In 1990, Employment Division v. Smith was a radical overturning of previous rulings in favor of the primacy of religious observance, versus conflicting laws.

    Advocates for religious denominations got Congress to pass the "Religious Freedom Restoration Act", which sought to restore that primacy, even against state and local laws that Congress had nothing to do with.

    First Amendment absolutists hate Smith, but I think it restored some balance.

    I think Smith will be used to rule that corporations CANNOT claim any kind of religious exemption from law. In other words, in this case, I am pretty optimistic about what the Supreme Court will do.