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Tully Mars · Aug 19, 2013

Charlatan said: ↑

Yes. I should have added that. There is a service charge built in.

I'd rather that than have to work out the tip.
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I use a simple system- unless the service just sucks I toss out a $10 for any check up to $50 and a $20 for checks that are at or near $100. If it's under $20 I throw out a $5. These are the most often amounts I see when my GF and I are out in Merida. I always see folks using smart phones and calc's to figure out what the exact tip should be and honestly unless my service sucked it's not worth the $2.18 I save figuring it out. And if my service sucks I pay a buck or two, at times zip. But it has to be really bad and the waiter has to have a shitty attitude with me to get little or nothing.

Stan · Aug 19, 2013

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I have always considered the tip a personal transaction with the person providing the service, so it's almost always cash. Makes for pleasant return visits.
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Same. I expect that most employers are honest; but the tip is between myself and the server. I always tip in cash.

snowy · Sep 4, 2013

Another piece on tipping, from the NYTimes:

Leaving a Tip: A Custom in Need of Changing?

By PETE WELLS

Try one of these techniques if you want better service in restaurants:
1. Become very famous;
2. Spend $1,000 or more on wine every time you go out;
3. Keep going to the same restaurant until you get V.I.P. treatment; if that doesn’t work, pick another place.
Now, here is a technique that is guaranteed to have no effect on your service: leave a generous tip.
I’ve tipped slightly above the average for years, generally leaving 20 percent of the total, no matter what. According to one study, lots of people are just like me, sticking with a reasonable percentage through good nights and bad. And it doesn’t do us any good, because servers have no way of telling that we aren’t the hated type that leaves 10 percent of the pretax total, beverages excluded.
Some servers do try to sniff out stingy tippers, engaging in customer profiling based on national origin, age, race, gender and other traits. (The profiling appears to run both ways: another study showed that customers tended to leave smaller tips for black servers.)
I could go on against tipping, but let’s leave it at this: it is irrational, outdated, ineffective, confusing, prone to abuse and sometimes discriminatory. The people who take care of us in restaurants deserve a better system, and so do we.
That’s one reason we pay attention when a restaurant tries another way, as Sushi Yasuda in Manhattan started to do two months ago. Raising most of its prices, it appended this note to credit card slips: “Following the custom in Japan, Sushi Yasuda’s service staff are fully compensated by their salary. Therefore gratuities are not accepted.”
Sushi Yasuda joins other restaurants that have done away with tips, replacing them with either a surcharge (Atera and Chef’s Table at Brooklyn Fare in New York; Next and Alinea in Chicago; Coi and Chez Panisse in the San Francisco Bay Area) or prices that include the cost of service (Per Se in New York and the French Laundry in Healdsburg, Calif.).
The chef Tom Colicchio is considering service-included pricing at one of his New York restaurants, paying servers “an hourly rate that would be consistent with what they make now,” he said. “I think it makes perfect sense. I’m not sure my staff is going to think it makes perfect sense.”
These restaurants are numerous enough and important enough to suggest that a tip-reform movement is under way. On the other hand, they are few enough and exceptional enough to suggest that the movement may remain very small, and move very slowly.
Americans have stuck with tipping for years because all parties thought it worked in their favor. Servers, especially in restaurants from the mid- to high-priced, made good money, much of it in cash, and much of that unreported on tax returns. Owners saved on labor costs and taxes. And customers generally believed that tips brought better service.
The self-interest calculation may be different now. Credit card receipts and tougher oversight have virtually killed off unreported tips.
Another change is cultural. The restaurant business can be seen as a class struggle between the groomed, pressed, articulate charmers working in the dining room and the blistered, stained and profane grunts in the kitchen. The rise of chefs that are also owners has brought a few of the grunts to power. But as the average tip has risen to 20 percent or so from 15 percent, the pay for line cooks, dishwashers and others has stayed low.
At Coi, in San Francisco, Daniel Patterson, the chef and owner, levies an 18 percent service charge to be “shared by the entire staff,” the menu notes. One of his motives was to level out the income disparity that tipping creates between the kitchen and the front of the house, he said.
“Neither one is more important than the other,” Mr. Patterson said. “So it doesn’t make sense to me that servers would make three to four times as much as cooks.”
A second change has been howling outside the door. Front-of-house workers are suing one respected restaurant after another, including Dovetail, last month, accusing them of playing fast and loose with the laws on tips. The charges include sharing tips with workers who aren’t eligible for them and making tipped employees spend too much time on what is called sidework, like folding napkins between meals.
One such lawsuit was settled for more than $5 million. Some owners now think they can avoid the suits by eliminating tips.
“You abide by the letter of the law and do a service charge,” said Nick Kokonas, an owner of Alinea and Next. “That’s the only way you can take that income and spread it out to the staff.”
Restaurants that move to a surcharge or service-included pricing pay much more for labor, losing a sizable payroll-tax credit on tipped income.
Still, Mr. Kokonas said: “It’s worth it, because as soon as you grow to a certain size these days, and you’re high profile, everyone starts examining what you do. It’s not good enough to say, ‘These guys are making $100,000 a year and they’re treated really well and they have full health care.’ That’s irrelevant. It’s ‘Did they get paid overtime for their sidework?’ ”
Mr. Kokonas’s restaurants and others call the extra fee a service charge. The term is misleading if the money goes to workers who don’t serve, and lawyers warn that in New York State, that would be illegal.
Justin Swartz, a partner at Outten & Golden, a law firm that represents employees, says that in New York State, the fee should be called something like an administrative charge, or rolled into menu prices.
Even that won’t make restaurants entirely lawsuit-proof, particularly if some customers insist on tipping anyway. “You’re right back to square one,” said Carolyn D. Richmond, a lawyer at Fox Rothschild who advises many prominent restaurateurs. This summer, after consulting her and running the numbers, David Chang decided against service-included pricing for his Momofuku restaurants in New York.
“It’s a change in legislation that we need, and a change in the American diner’s view on tipping,” Ms. Richmond said. “And that’s even harder than changing legislatures.”
But the diner’s views may be changing. This is in part because restaurants like Per Se have taken the lead, but also in part because those lawsuits have corroded our faith that our tips will go where we want them to.
Even if we believe the argument that workers’ lawyers are going after technical violations of archaic, Depression-era laws, they have brought to light a major peculiarity of the restaurant business: they depend on tips to make their payrolls. The temptation to treat that money as general revenue can be hard for some to resist.
Since the suits began, “people think restaurants are just hoarding that cash,” Mr. Chang said.
But forget the cheats; the suits have also reminded us that many employees share our tips. So, if we leave 10 percent to signal our unhappiness with our server’s tone of voice, we may be hurting other workers, from the host who seated us by the window to the sommelier who suggested that terrific Sicilian white, to the runner who delivered the skate while it was still hot. How much longer can we insist that it’s our privilege to decide whether we want to pay these people?
“A service charge and a salary brings the profession back into the bright sun of the professional mainstream, instead of the murky half-light in which restaurants used to exist,” Mr. Patterson said.
He is a true believer, but he can’t convince everybody. In 2010 he tried an 18 percent service charge when he opened Plum in Oakland, Calif. Perhaps because Plum was less expensive and more casual than Coi, diners rebelled, and he dropped the charge.
The new system may not be right for customers at value-oriented places like Plum, at least for now. But it’s time for all of us who go out to eat to think twice about our habits. Tipping doesn’t work, and it doesn’t feel very good anymore, either.
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I agree with the idea of levying a service charge that gets split--so long as everyone in the restaurant is making a living wage. When I worked as a line cook and got my share of the tips, it made me feel like a part of a team, and I think that was true for most of the people I worked with. However, I'd really just like them to earn a great wage and not have the service charge.

Baraka_Guru · Sep 4, 2013

I'm in this camp: A tip should be a bonus, not a part of one's core income.

Steam Heat · Sep 17, 2013

Baraka_Guru said: ↑

I'm in this camp: A tip should be a bonus, not a part of one's core income.
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I definitely agree with this, but in many states, the actual hourly wage is jiggered with by the employer to be offset by the employee's tips (as approved by the Fair Labor Standards Act, which doesn't seem particularly fair to me, at all).

Tip Credit
: Section 3(m) of the FLSA permits an employer to take a tip credit toward its minimum wage obligation for tipped employees equal to the difference between the required cash wage (which must be at least $2.13) and the federal minimum wage. Thus, the maximum tip credit that an employer can currently claim under the FLSA is $5.12 per hour (the minimum wage of $7.25 minus the minimum required cash wage of $2.13). --Tipped Employees Under the Fair Labor Standards Act
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I'm willing to bet many don't know this, and those who don't probably don't take it into account when calculating a tip...

Fangirl · Sep 17, 2013

I would think that those of us who at some point did some time serving or bussing are well aware of it. The last time I cocktail waitressed was here in Illinois years ago. I made under $2.25 hr on my paycheck. The rest was up to me to earn. I always keep in mind that my server is probably getting shite wages. If I can't afford to tip decently for decent service, then I can't afford to be served there.

Tully Mars · Sep 17, 2013

Fangirl said: ↑

If I can't afford to tip decently for decent service, then I can't afford to be served there.
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Ditto

SirLance · Sep 24, 2013

I can and do, and for bad service... the tip reflects that.

snowy · Nov 12, 2013

How about this for a tip? Tract Money Tip Is Not Okay to Leave, Christians - Daily of the Day

No, This is Not an Okay Tip to Leave

04 Sep 2012 WTF

Redditor ikma works in a restaurant in Washington, DC. Apparently, an older couple from the “Bible Belt” decided to leave her this as a tip. Here’s ikma’s thought progression:
“Cool, they left me a pretty good tip!”

“Wait a minute, something’s not right…”

“wat”

“WAT”

So, yeah. This is, most definitely, not an okay tip to leave, Bible belters and tract leavers. If you want to leave this AND leave them a tip for their exceptional service, then whatever floats your boat. But in all honesty, do you think that Jesus would have done something this shady and shitty? Tricking someone into thinking they were getting money, when in reality you were handing them a piece of meaningless paper, which in and of itself is essentially lying? Congratulations. You have accomplished the opposite of what you set out to do. The server now hates your religion even more than they maybe used to.
I grew up around the rhetoric that if you were a Christian, that you needed to watch your actions because they speak louder than your words do. This kind of action shows that Christians are cheap, thoughtless and conniving. If you want to be a real “witness” to those who bring you your food and beverage, you better tip the shit out of them. That might change their minds.
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Borla · Nov 12, 2013

I have zero issue with people leaving tracts or whatever...IF it is accompanied by a good tip. Otherwise it only makes them look like a hypocrite.

Charlatan · Nov 12, 2013

Wow.

That kind of deserves a big, Fuck You.

mixedmedia · Nov 12, 2013

Hoo, boy. That is fucked up.

snowy · Nov 12, 2013

I would be so pissed.

Tully Mars · Nov 12, 2013

I saw this on the news the other day. This and apparently some church folk have taken to leaving a note that states
"I give God 10% why should I give you 15%?"

If you can't tip in countries where that's how the wait staff earn a living then you can't afford to eat out. So stay home and whip up some Top Ramen or mac-N-cheese.

Borla · Nov 12, 2013

Tully Mars said: ↑

I saw this on the news the other day. This and apparently some church folk have taken to leaving a note that states
"I give God 10% why should I give you 15%?"

If you can't tip in countries where that's how the wait staff earn a living then you can't afford to eat out. So stay home and whip up some Top Ramen or mac-N-cheese.
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Does that note work for them with the IRS?

If love is supposed to be the law to live by, what better way to show love to some hard working servers than to over tip instead of under tip?

CinnamonGirl · Nov 12, 2013

I have a collection of Chick Tracts that people left me as tips when I was a server.

No money. Just the tracts.

There was a church back home (I wish I remembered the name of it) that would leave little money envelopes that basically said, "hey, we know church people have a bad reputation when it comes to tipping, and we want to change that," with a 25% tip inside. They were rad.

Charlatan · Nov 12, 2013

So who is worse at tipping, Church People or Canadians?

ASU2003 · Nov 13, 2013

Watch: Bill Maher Blasts Selfish Christian Hypocrites Who Don't Tip Waiters | Alternet

Tully Mars · Nov 20, 2013

CinnamonGirl said: ↑

There was a church back home (I wish I remembered the name of it) that would leave little money envelopes that basically said, "hey, we know church people have a bad reputation when it comes to tipping, and we want to change that," with a 25% tip inside. They were rad.
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See I could hang with religious folks like them.
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Charlatan said: ↑

So who is worse at tipping, Church People or Canadians?
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Canadian church people.

cynthetiq · Nov 13, 2013

@cinnamongirl what's a chick tract?

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