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Rent vs Own (in ghetto)

Discussion in 'General Discussions' started by girldetective, Nov 4, 2013.

  1. girldetective

    girldetective Getting Tilted

    Two or three years ago I had to move from my beloved apartment on the river. Since then, I have not felt at home. Currently and for the last few months, I rent 1/2 of a duplex in the middle of socoolhipsterville, USA. I love my next door neighbors, who are friends, and they make this place for me. I currently pay $1000 for rent, which is goodgoodgood in this area of town. However, I have yet to unpack all, including my clothing, because I am unsure I will stay here for various reasons (1 being the Big Dog lives 4 blocks away).

    Now, I have the opportunity to take a place that would cost me $2500 annually, thats right!, $2500 a year, in a west coast suburban "ghetto", and it would be mine. I would own it outright, for next to nothing, and I would live there for the rest of my life or I could rent it. The place is truly charming and the immediate locale is private and just fab! But, if you go 1 block, in any direction, out of the subdivision sort of thing, you are in the "ghetto", meaning, according to the newspaper and other Google search sources, admist gang activities, domestic violence, meth parks, and so forth.

    I understand neighborhoods change, especially with community activism, and this would be my hope. The neighborhood association appears strong and determined to be seen at this time, although I did read that there was some confrontation re graffiti in one of the parks. It appears to me that with 3 old growth city parks and 3 schools within a 1 mile radius, there should be activity toward getting people involved and betterment for all. What could be problematic for this, as usual, is lack of human involvement, ie lots of apartment buildings with very low rent,that are rented by transient people, with less investment in their community. I dont see that these buildings would be sold and residential built, and who knows what might happen with all the vacated buildings and land?! The neighborhoods to the east and south have been gentrified, for better or worse (in this case better), where there are residents in homes they own, who may be in it for the long haul.

    This is a tough one for me. What would you do?
     
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  2. Borla

    Borla Moderator Staff Member

    Given a choice, I would not spend a large sum of money buying a property surrounded by a bad neighborhood unless I was absolutely certain it was going to turn around in the short term. The negatives are just too large in your scenario IMO.
     
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  3. Plan9

    Plan9 Rock 'n Roll

    Location:
    Earth
    Rent, there is much less liability.

    And have good renter's insurance.
     
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  4. snowy

    snowy so kawaii Staff Member

    If it's anything like the ghetto I'm familiar with, which is in one of the western suburbs of socoolhipsterville, I would say NO. NO, NO, NO. NO. Don't even think about it.

    There are some deep-rooted issues in places like that that require more than just community activism to clean up.
     
  5. amonkie

    amonkie Very Tilted

    Location:
    Windy City
    I lived in the Chicago ghetto just blocks from the old projects.
    Ghettos are not just about graffiti or meth labs. There is a more pervasive, insidious undercurrent running through them. It is hard to explain to an outsider, but it gets under your skin and the despair bleeds into your head.
    I commute 4 hours a day now instead of 1 hour just to be able to find an affordable way to break free of it.

    So no, no no no no.
     
  6. cynthetiq

    cynthetiq Administrator Staff Member Donor

    Location:
    New York City
    I don't recommend it unless you can afford to buy it and rent it out as an income stream. This means you hire a property manager to handle screening tenants and repairs.

    If you are going to live in it? No not unless you have to.
     
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  7. Remixer

    Remixer Middle Eastern Doofus

    Location:
    Frankfurt, Germany
    $2,500 for a property?

    I'd go for it simply as a long-term investment. Who knows where the neighbourhood will be in 15-20 years, and it is a truly tiny amount for owning your own property.

    Are there any responsibilities you take on by becoming a landlord for such a small sum? Would you be required to rent the place out if you don't live in it? For the rent you'd probably get from it, it really isn't worth the hassle of dealing with potentially troublesome tenants.

    As for living in the ghetto, I'm with everyone above: Fuck no.
     
  8. itwasme

    itwasme But you'll never prove it. Donor

    Location:
    In the wind
    Cyn and Remixer both had good ideas. The other thing that crossed my mind is that you seem uncomfortable staying at your current place partly because the "Big Dog" lives 4 blocks away. I have no idea who this is, but that sentence stuck with me. So if I had the extra money, I would be inclined to buy it, maybe stay there as a second residence, maybe a couple of days each week. It would be a back up plan to stay there temporarily if I ever felt the need to leave my current residence, while I looked for longer term housing. If you did rent it out, I agree with Cyn about hiring a property manager to do repairs and screen tenants so the people causing trouble a block away don't move into your investment and ruin it.
     
  9. RedSneaker

    RedSneaker Very Tilted

    No ghetto, no thank you. Yeah, $2500 might not be a lot of money for a property, but it doesn't sound like a solid investment. If you can afford to throw around that kind of money and not expect anything in return, I guess that's different. But there doesn't really seem to be a good reason to do so.
     
  10. mixedmedia

    mixedmedia ...

    Location:
    Florida
    It would be tempting to me to rent and see what happens, esp. if I didn't have kids at home. Low, low monthly payments for a home is pretty seductive. You can put some of what you save into a security system. And a well-trained pit bull. I totally get what monkie is saying, though.
     
  11. Plan9

    Plan9 Rock 'n Roll

    Location:
    Earth
    Charles Bronson would have no difficulties maintaining this property.
     
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  12. cynthetiq

    cynthetiq Administrator Staff Member Donor

    Location:
    New York City
    If you pm me the cross streets I can tell you if the property fits my standards for rentals.

    This means that the neighborhood has to sustain good tenants with access to schools and work. The rent has to cover the property taxes, pay the property manager fees, pay for any maintenance for the property, if there are any homeowners association fees, paying an accountant, and any other incidental costs associated with owning the property.

    People think that people gotz to get paid. If the property is neutral cash flow meaning the it doesn't cost anything to own and it still has enough cash flow to build its own cash reserves it is a good property. The tax benefits turn that neutral cash flow and make it positive via income tax breaks your accountant takes for you.
     
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  13. Chris Noyb

    Chris Noyb Get in, buckle up, hang on, & be quiet.

    Location:
    Large City, TX
    If you did move into the "hood" property, how quickly & easily could you move out if things didn't work out?

    We live a decent neighborhood, housing prices have stayed high enough to keep the number of rentals to a minimum. The surrounding areas, however, aren't that great. Living in a "hood" affects a person. I'm not a bigot, but I admit that years of seeing certain behavior from certain racial groups has caused me to view them in a neagative way. I have to remind myself not to prejudge people.
     
  14. girldetective

    girldetective Getting Tilted

    Thank you cyn, but I think Ive mapped the thing out to the extreme!

    In re "certain racial groups", the neighborhood race stats include a majority white, next popular is black, and third is a growing hispanic pop. Ive probably got all of these, and more, somewhere in the family. Whats with you Noyb, limited to only one perspective?
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    I could rent this sucker, if I choose to buy it, but I would be more inclined to live there. I would save oodles of dough, and I could travel with that dough. What continues to throw me is the location. It is set off of a thoroughfare, back behind other places. It is nestled privately beside a creek, with large trees, with every window view trees. Being there is not like being in the middle of a gangbang, it is beautiful and peaceful.
     
  15. genuinemommy

    genuinemommy Moderator Staff Member

    I personally would buy it. In my life there have been 2 places I have been that simply were, irrefutably, where I needed to be. The first time was an entirely inappropriate and unlikely location: a freshman dorm room as an upperclassman. I was randomly placed there during a break between semesters, and it spoke to me so completely that I reworked my finances and put in a request to live there the following semester after I returned from study abroad. Mid-year there happened to be a vacancy and it became mine, just as I got off the plane from Europe I got the call. Many of my favorite times at that school took place in that small space, surrounded by bubbly fresh faces, away from the bitter and exhausted uperclassmen women who made it clear they dreaded life. Yes, that location spoke to me. Yes, I snagged it unexpectedly. Yes, it brought me great joy to live there.
    The second space is where I live now, a little townhouse. We're a "powdered sugar" family in the midst of an African American neighborhood. We stick out like a sore thumb. But we spent months apartment hunting and I knew this was the place. Tt asked me if I wanted to see any of the other units available here. I said no, this one will be great. The manager that gave us the tour was all-out confused but rolled with it. I knew when I walked in the door that it was right. East/West windows throughout, at the top of a hill with beautiful city views, a forest-like tree belt view out the kitchen window... Walking in I knew, however irrationally, that this space was ours.

    Never doubt that inner peace. When you find it, abide there. And let life flow over and around you in unexpected ways.
     
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  16. Chris Noyb

    Chris Noyb Get in, buckle up, hang on, & be quiet.

    Location:
    Large City, TX
    I'm not sure how to take your comment. Are you wanting more info, or are you just taking a shot at me? If you will explain your "limited to only one perspective" comment I'll try to provide a better response. Perhaps my being honest about my experience wasn't and isn't a good idea.
     
  17. cynthetiq

    cynthetiq Administrator Staff Member Donor

    Location:
    New York City
    I don't think you understand what I mean by my criteria and maps, because I compare properties against other similar properties to see if they have the potential to generate passive income. Sure you could live there but then you'd live in what you've labelled a ghetto.

    If you haven't mapped out what the income it can generate, you've not mapped it to any extreme.

    I'm suggesting that you purchase the property and generate a passive income and use those funds to travel, invest, pay debt, charity, whatever you want. Depending on how the numbers work it may even make your current living situation close to free being covered by the rental property and still allow you to travel. Saving "oodles" of money is just a concept. Write it down and actually look at what it is and means, then you can compare it against something of value.

    IMO my personal safety isn't worth the savings, you still have to go through the bad part to get to the good part. The good part may not always be there, especially now that section 8 housing is even being allowed in the best of neighborhoods.
     
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  18. MSD

    MSD Very Tilted

    Location:
    CT
    I've known a number of people who have lived in "the ghetto" and other areas with bad reputations, and many of them came to the same conclusion: if you live like you're been dropped into a hostile environment, you're going to want out; if you treat it as your neighborhood and get to know your neighbors, it's just a neighborhood that makes uptight white suburbanites clench their purses and lock their doors if they have to drive through. That's not to say that there aren't genuinely bad or dangerous areas, but the popular perception may not be accurate.
     
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  19. girldetective

    girldetective Getting Tilted

    OK. I think Im going to go with it. There is no walkability, but Im 10 min from my girl, who says, "You can drive 10 minutes and be in our hood, which can be your hood, too." Ill pay cash and have only the $2500 to pay annually (the savings!), and thanks mm, I will take your suggestion and install a security system (it never occurred to me!). If I hate it, Ill sell it.

    Heaven, and possibly Hell, await me!
    OMG! Ill have to be an adult and a real person, on my own.

    Im scared and excited! Rum, here I come!
     
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  20. Lindy

    Lindy Moderator Staff Member

    Location:
    Nebraska
    How long has the place been on the market? Are other properties available in the neighborhood, and how long have they been on the market? If you have to bail out, it sounds like it could be a hard place to resell unless Mr./Ms. Right happened to come along. Be careful not to tie up too great a part of your liquid assets in an illiquid investment. And "ghetto" real estate can be hard to sell, sometimes hard to sell at any price. It might be better to let a mortgage company share in the risk and preserve your own liquidity.

    On the other hand, If you are in love with the place itself and can afford the possibility of a loss, it may be great move. That's part of what pioneering is all about!
    I did it buying a decrepit duplex in a Boston suburb.
    Coming to this thread as a Lindy come lately, and I'm trying to get my brain around the numbers. $2500 annually for what? Property taxes? Homeowner's association? Utilities? Insurance? Maintenance? All of the above? What exactly does the $2500 cover?
    What does "next to nothing" mean? $20,000? $100,000? $200,000?

    If you were to lose it, would you still consider it "next to nothing?"

    Here in Lincoln there are listings of "next to nothing" houses in older neighborhoods for under $25,000. Probably some unlisted beat down foreclosures for even less than that. And Lincoln doesn't even have a real ghetto area.
    What would I do? I would see if the current owner might be amenable to a short term lease with an option to buy. There's nothing like living in a neighborhood for a while to get a real feel for which direction the gentrification thing might be going.
     
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