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Distracted Driving

Discussion in 'General Discussions' started by DamnitAll, Oct 24, 2013.

  1. DamnitAll

    DamnitAll Wait... what?

    Location:
    Central MD
    An article in this morning's newspaper caught my eye about our community college hosting a program simulating distracted driving for students to safely experience it firsthand. Two articles down from that story was a report on a 70 year old man killed in an accident when a car rammed into his from behind at an intersection, forcing him into oncoming traffic. The car behind was driven by a 22 year old that failed to stop at the intersection. Not knowing more details about the incident, it seems likely that he was driving distracted.

    In my previous relationship my ex did most of the driving. In recent years she took to more regularly violating Maryland's hands-free laws (no hand-held device usage for calls or texting), mostly in reading and sending text messages while driving, despite me asking her on more than one occasion not to do so.

    Not blame free by any means, I have also done my fair share of distracted driving, both in reading and sending text messages while behind the wheel of a moving car, though I've never made a habit of it and much more often than not will restrict the use of my phone for any reason to instances where the car is stopped at a light or pulled off the road.

    This is an important issue for me, and not just because I spend most of my daily travels in a state of heightened vulnerability on a bicycle seat instead of behind the wheel of a car. I'd like to know what you all think about it. That being said...

    What kind of laws exist in your jurisdictions to combat distracted driving?

    Do you feel distracted driving is a big enough problem that behaviors such as cell phone usage while driving should be regulated? If so, do you feel that existing laws are doing enough and/or are adequately enforced, or does more need to be done?

    Have you ever had a close call while driving distracted or riding as a passenger with a distracted driver?

    Did that experience change your own behaviors?
     
  2. Borla

    Borla Moderator Staff Member

    What kind of laws exist in your jurisdictions to combat distracted driving? Here it is illegal to do almost anything on a phone other than dial a phone or use it to talk. In some areas nearby it is illegal to even talk on one unless it is hands-free. Construction areas and school zones are completely off limits as well, and cell phones are off limits for new drivers and drivers under 18. But most of IL allows you to talk on a cell phone without a hands-free device.

    Do you feel distracted driving is a big enough problem that behaviors such as cell phone usage while driving should be regulated? If so, do you feel that existing laws are doing enough and/or are adequately enforced, or does more need to be done? I do think it should be regulated. I think the current laws are in the ballpark of being reasonable. However, they are almost never enforced as far as I can tell. I've seen a few local towns tout how much they enforce their stricter laws (in IL towns can make their own laws that restrict cell phones further than the state does), but the last state stats I read show that they write about 3 tickets per day in the entire state for driving while improperly using a cell phone. That doesn't sound like they are focusing on it much to me. I don't really know how much further they could reasonably take it from the law making side. Much of IL is rural, flat, and has straight roads. I'm not for completely banning cell phones in those areas. But I do think they could make state troopers and county sheriffs more aware of catching people when they are doing traffic enforcement. My main complaint is people using them improperly in town or in heavy traffic. If you are on a straight, flat interstate on a clear day, there are no cars for 1/4 mile, and you glance down for 2 seconds, I'm not going to throw a fit about that. But the same action in traffic is enough to get someone killed. I'm sure some feel it should be more restrictive than that, and I get it. I'd personally just be happier with better enforcement of the current legislation.

    Have you ever had a close call while driving distracted or riding as a passenger with a distracted driver? No, not that I can remember. I am almost always the driver when I'm in a car.

    Did that experience change your own behaviors?
    I haven't had a close call, but the laws and increased awareness have made me much better about limiting my usage. I can't say I am perfect, but I very rarely if ever even glance at my phone in traffic, in town, or in any area that I can't see for a long way in every direction. I rationalize to myself sometimes when I'm in the middle of nowhere on I-80 and there are no vehicles around that I can check something real quick. I know that isn't right, and I use the excuse that I look all around very carefully first, don't take my focus off for more than literally 1-2 seconds, blah blah blah. I need to keep getting better, I know. But I am extremely careful when I'm not out in the middle of nowhere on an interstate with little/no traffic.
     
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  3. GeneticShift

    GeneticShift Show me your everything is okay face.

    Michigan has a "no texting while driving" law. I believe it is a $100 fine for a first offense, not sure what happens after. As far as I'm aware, there is no law against talking on the phone.

    I feel like distracted driving is a real issue. I occasionally will read and text in the car, but I restrict it only to being stopped at a red light or parked somewhere. I don't think any text is important enough to take my eyes off the road for. I know I am a competent and capable driver and could probably keep myself in a lane and driving even while glancing away for a second, but I was taught in driver's ed and by my mother "The best way to avoid an accident is to treat every other driver like they failed driver's ed and this is their first time behind the wheel". I definitely think distracted driving laws are ones that should be enforced; but unfortunately, I think that trying to enforce these laws is like trying to enforce underage drinking laws in college towns - it's extremely difficult to police until something catastrophic or obvious happens. People are going to keep doing it until they get caught, and even then will just try and be sneakier about it.

    Passenger, yes. An ex would text all the fucking time while driving. Even when I asked him to stop. He then drove 50 mph through an active school zone with unloading buses because he wasn't looking at the road. This was before it was illegal to text and drive, but still.



    I never really texted and drove before that (again, only at red lights/parked), but it definitely reinforced my decision not to.
     
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  4. DamnitAll

    DamnitAll Wait... what?

    Location:
    Central MD
    I think the enforcement issue is a real challenge, especially since regulating cell phone usage addresses—or attempts to address—only one of many means of facilitating distracted driving. Many other actions can mimic the same loss of attention, including but not limited to drunk driving (obviously), fatigued driving, adjusting the radio, looking at a GPS, eating (or scrambling to pick up the ketchup container that dropped between the pedals while you weren't looking), putting on your makeup, shaving your beard, reading a newspaper, etc. It strikes me as a very homeland-security/TSA-esque approach to tackling the problem, to target a single, recognizable behavior—like requiring airline passengers to remove their shoes because one dumbass sewed a bomb into the sole of his—in the hopes that it will limit a trend that's caused by too many variables to count. Obviously it's going to be a hell of a challenge to try to ban driving while tired or eating while driving, for example, in the same way.
     
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  5. Borla

    Borla Moderator Staff Member



    Yeah, I love the hypocrisy side of "there are two drive thru restaurants on every corner, but don't glance at your phone if it is in GPS mode".

    If McDonald's hadn't been founded until today, we would outlaw drive thru food. :p
     
  6. Stan

    Stan Resident Dumbass

    Location:
    Colorado
    Absolutely nothing on a motorcycle scares me as much as a driver on a cell phone. I've had too many close calls due to distracted stupidity. I'm a complete asshole as a passenger, when the driver chooses to use a phone. It's really a sore point with me.
     
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  7. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

    Location:
    Toronto
    My most common form of travel these days is as a pedestrian. This necessitates navigating the streets with nothing between me and thousands of pounds of moving metal except maybe a few layers of clothing.

    I'm a very alert, aware, and law-abiding pedestrian when it comes to crossing the street. Usually. The only time I cross somewhere other than an intersection is when the street is empty of cars, or if someone pushes me into it via peer pressure. I prefer lights and crosswalks.

    That said, there have been many times when I can could sense danger, and sure enough, it was always when crossing at a light and a driver is turning left either trying to beat the light or traffic, or, as was the case once or twice, while on a phone. I have reason to believe that, in these cases, their "distracted awareness" limited them mostly to the light, the oncoming traffic, and turning the wheel left while accelerating. God forbid there be someone on foot in the middle of the street. Usually all it takes is to make stern eye contact with the driver.

    I'm going to restate that because it's important: As a pedestrian, it's important to make eye contact with the driver. I think there is something deep in our evolutionary psychology that connects us through this means, and it works in shifting awareness to you as a pedestrian. So don't look at the car, don't look at the bumper, don't look vaguely at the windshield. Start deep into the driver's eyes and they will, in most cases, catch yours. It's hard to miss some guy standing in the street staring right at you.

    I lock drivers with eye contact all the time, and I think this has served me well in letting them know I'm there.

    My region has a law against texting and using a phone without a headset. At least, I think that's how it works.

    I have had a few close calls. It's mostly when I'm crossing and someone is turning either right or left (though the right-turning cars tend to be ballsier and more anxious to go—I tend to view those as the highest risk. At least the left-turning traffic comes from a greater distance). It's not so much a case of distracted driving; it's more a case of impatience (beating the light; beating traffic) and me-firstism.

    All I have to say about that comes through the channeling of my inner Jessie Pinkman: It's called right-of-way, bitch!
     
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  8. From the Indiana Dept of Motor Vehicle website

    I have a hands free device. I've had one since the late 90s. The original Jabra wired one was my first. I hate driving while holding a phone to my ear. And I seldom text/email while driving. Seldom as in I sometimes will respond, sometimes. Generally I speak on the phone while on an Interstate, so my level of concentration and awareness of surroundings isn't all that necessary (no, you dumbass, you're only going 74 mph!). I have pulled over for phone calls while using hands free if the call required all my focus.

    Been almost hit on my bicycle too many times by someone yakking on a phone. Usually they aren't looking both ways when pulling into traffic or drifting into another lane. I don't believe I've ever created a situation, however.
     
  9. evaderum

    evaderum Getting Tilted

    Location:
    California
    I think distracted driving is a definite problem, but distractions are caused by a lot more than just cell phones. Cell phones are just the most focused type of distraction. I rarely ever use a cell phone while driving, I might read a text at a red light, or when there's no traffic around, but never in traffic. I think glancing at a cell phone is about the same as glancing at the radio to change the station. I never text back or answer calls while driving though. I've been that way since before texting and driving became a popular topic. I'm more worried about how many drivers are bad drivers even when they aren't distracted.
     
  10. snowy

    snowy so kawaii Staff Member

    Yes, I think it's a problem. Despite handsfree laws in my state, I still regularly see people talking on the phone in their car, texting in their car, or putting their phone on speakerphone but still using one hand to hold it. It drives me nuts. One thing I LOVE about my Samsung Galaxy S4 is that it has a driving mode. In driving mode, everything is handsfree and voice-activated. It has some minor kinks, but it's easy enough to tell it to send my husband a text or to give him a call on my way home from work. Generally, I try to avoid using my phone while driving, and my current phone has made it super easy to do so.
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    Toronto can be a very scary place as a pedestrian.
     
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  11. Alistair Eurotrash

    Location:
    Reading, UK
    Cell phone usage while driving is banned here.

    Yes, I think it should be.

    Yes, I've experienced issues with people on cell phones.

    I rarely use them while driving (though have occasionally for quick calls - but never texting, which I barely do anyway).
     
  12. curiousbear

    curiousbear Terse & Bizarre

    In Oregon both phone/texting and even eating while driving is violation. But I see a lot of people on phone while driving. This very morning the lady coming opposite direction had her head bowed looking/texting while driving! I freaked out.
    I also freak out when people cross roads while talking over cell phone.
    I attend phone while driving using my car's blue tooth speakers. While driving my truck I just wait to return it later.

    I am paranoid because I have a habit of visualizing accidents often while driving. It started happening since I met with an accident during which I never lost my consciousness.
     
  13. spindles

    spindles Very Tilted

    Location:
    Sydney, Australia
    Touching your phone while driving here is illegal. I've got a holder in the car and (apart from answering) can hold a conversation without going near the phone. In actuality you have to be pretty unlucky to get caught, but I think the law is very much common sense. This is why a lot of cars have bluetooth phone connections and buttons on the steering wheel (both for the "phone" and for the music system.