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Football Teams and Breast Cancer

Discussion in 'Tilted Entertainment' started by Borla, Oct 17, 2013.

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  1. Borla

    Borla Moderator Staff Member

    Borla, Oct 17, 2013
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  2. Speed_Gibson

    Speed_Gibson Hacking the Gibson

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    I will root for anyone playing the Cougars. A home state team is even better. The Idaho Vandals have more entertaining games with their ability to attain epic losses to even JV high school teams from Middle of Nowhere, ID but knowing the Cougs will suffer another mightly loss works as well.
     
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  3. snowy

    snowy so kawaii Staff Member

    Nope. Not a fan of pink-washing, actually.

    There are lots of cancers out there we don't talk about because they aren't associated with some sexy piece of the female anatomy. Colonoscopies for everyone!
     
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  4. Borla

    Borla Moderator Staff Member



    Would that call for brown helmets?
     
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  5. ZombieSquirrel

    ZombieSquirrel Brrrrrrrains

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    Oregon by way of "Oh-hi-ya"
    Nope. They're riding a bandwagon. Breast Cancer is around 12 months out of the year. Why don't they show their support some other time? If it HAS to be in October, how about free tickets to cancer survivors and their families? How about taking the money it would have taken to produce those ugly things to donate to cancer research? How about creating something that a cancer survivor would use and support the damn ducks? A duck mastectomy bra? Duck/Nike hats for chemo patients?

    (Same goes for the NFL)

    Damn it Borla you should have started a new thread instead of putting this in PA. Tsk Tsk.

    (I'm gonna get in trouble.)
     
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  6. mixedmedia

    mixedmedia ...

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    I would have things to say about the homecoming queen way we have of treating fatal illness in this country...
     
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  7. Borla

    Borla Moderator Staff Member

    I do know that sometimes the kids they pick to be the 'Ducklings' for a year are kids with cancer. My buddy's son was honored and taken in for an entire year by various Ducks teams.
     
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  8. ZombieSquirrel

    ZombieSquirrel Brrrrrrrains

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    I should NOT have laughed at this....but that is a great way of explaining the phenomena.
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    And I don't know about that...but I know about these ugly pink helmets....

    Homecoming Queens.
     
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  9. Lindy

    Lindy Moderator Staff Member

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    Lindy, Oct 17, 2013
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  10. the_jazz

    the_jazz Accused old lady puncher


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    The NFL does the same thing this time of year. Honestly, I think that it's descending into a shameless marketing ploy for female fans. It feels like pandering to me, but I do understand that breast cancer is a real thing and devastating to most of the women diagnosed with it.
     
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  11. snowy

    snowy so kawaii Staff Member

    This piece from HuffPo sums up my feelings pretty well:



    Jessica S. Holmes: Save the Ta-Tas, Save Women?
    A summary of Komen and pinkwashing: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_G._Komen_Foundation#Pinkwashing_in_cause_marketing
    Breast cancer is a brand: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breast_cancer_awareness#Shopping_for_the_cure

     
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  12. Borla

    Borla Moderator Staff Member

    Since this has spawned (that's the word I use for ZombieSquirrel getting pregnant too, fwiw) its own discussion, I'll add more serious input.

    I don't have a problem with this. I don't think it is the greatest thing since sliced bread either, but I don't object. Anything reasonable that brings awareness to a large audience is a positive in my mind. Would it be better if they were as vocal for heart disease, lung cancer, and domestic abuse? Absolutely. But I'm in the "something is better than nothing" camp, and 30 years ago I don't think football teams didn't any such things. If they do this today, maybe tomorrow they'll raise money or awareness for heart disease or domestic abuse. I know recently the NFL's charity of choice was City of Hope, which is a charity I actively support and I thought that was cool. Another campaign they did was for Autism Awareness, which I appreciated. As long as they are not trying to act like they are saving the world by small acts like this (and I don't think they are), I'm a mild supporter of it. I also happen to know from personal experiences that many colleges (including both Oregon and Oregon State) have programs to assist kids with cancer, so it isn't just this showy display that goes on.


    At the very least, it sparks discussion. A stupid frivolous half-joke on my part led to my education by snowy about heart disease, lung cancer, and domestic abuse. Now my awareness of those issues is raised a touch from where it was yesterday. That's not bad, right?
     
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  13. Lindy

    Lindy Moderator Staff Member

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    Thanks, the_jazz. We were just discussing pulling a few intresting and related posts out of PA and turning them into their own thread...
    and VOILA... it's happened.:cool:
     
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  14. Joniemack

    Joniemack Beta brainwaves in session

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    I think it says a lot for the power of relentless marketing.

    What I don't know is, has the increased awareness, funding and donations to breast cancer research and prevention made a relative difference? For all the money spent, are we closer to a cure? How much goes to the fund to find a cure and how much is gobbled up by the campaigners, marketers and salaries? How much, if anything, is invested in actual patient treatment for poor women?

    Finally, does sporting pink at sporting events do more for the breast cancer cause or more for the franchises and retailers in terms of ticket and promotional sales?
     
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  15. Borla

    Borla Moderator Staff Member



    In this particular case the Ducks uniforms are donated, and they pretty much change up their uniforms on a game to game basis. So I don't think this will cost them anything extra, nor are they getting anything they wouldn't already be getting. Their games are always sellouts and have been for years. So I don't think they stand to gain financially, at least directly.

    After the game is over though they are auctioning off many of the pink items players will wear (including the helmets) and donating the proceeds here: Kay Yow Cancer Fund — Join the fight against women's cancers


    The Kay Yow fund is not breast cancer specific (wouldn't have known that without this thread ;) , but does say it is targeted towards "women's cancers". I did some research into their charity rating. Charities that spend more than 60% of their expenses on direct benefits are usually graded well for their fiscal responsibility. The Kay Yow Fund spent 74.7% of their expenses on direct benefits in the last year of ratings available, so they are well above the threshold and shouldn't be considered a "hey, they are really a charity not just some bloated organization sucking your money and saying they are helping while paying themselves fat salaries" type outfit.
     
    Borla, Oct 18, 2013
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  16. redux

    redux Very Tilted

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    I'm not a Ducks fan but I do support National Breast Cancer Awareness Month.

    Breast cancer is the most commonly diagnosed cancer in women and the second leading cause of death among women. And can be detected early through self-examination, unlike many cancers.

    The focus of NBCAM is awareness and early detection, not causes and prevention. It started in 1985 and the percentage of women having regular mammograms has risen significantly since then.

    But in all fairness, maybe we need a National Prostate Cancer Awareness Month as well.
     
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  17. snowy

    snowy so kawaii Staff Member


    That's September: National Prostate Health Month - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    March is colorectal cancers: CDC - Cancer - Resources - March Is National Colorectal Cancer Awareness Month
     
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  18. redux

    redux Very Tilted

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  19. ZombieSquirrel

    ZombieSquirrel Brrrrrrrains

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    Oregon by way of "Oh-hi-ya"
    The Susan B Komen Foundation has a pretty strong marketing team. This helps. Maybe some day I will be a marketing power house that I will have the NFL wearing the color of whatever cancer I choose to eliminate.

    It's also a great way to get more women to watch the NFL/ buy NFL gear. Marketing makes the world go around and I want to make money off of silly consumers!!!!

    If they want to sustain female viewers/consumers for longer than just October, they need to start young. I think the NFL is actually doing that. In the various camps that they hold, girls are right in there with boys. In my house, I am the football fan, but that's because I learned to love the sport at an early age. BabySquirrel is going to be such a Bengals fan!!!

    Still...the ducks are dumb and Uncle Phil of Nike can suck my dick.
     
    ZombieSquirrel, Oct 18, 2013
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  20. Borla

    Borla Moderator Staff Member

    FWIW, they just announced during the game that the players themselves came up with the pink helmet idea on their own, voted on it, and got it approved. So at least on some level it seems that it was a sincere effort by someone other than a corporate entity looking to make a buck.


    Oh, and the Super Cool Really Awesome Ducks are already up by 2 TDs only 3 mins and change into the game. ;)
     
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